Whedonesque Shuts Down As Joss Whedon's Ex-Wife Hits Back
 

So Joss Whedon is at the centre of fresh scandle following allegations from his traumatised ex wife of emotional manipulation and multiple affairs he had during their marriage. It's gotten so bad that the long-running Whedonesque website has been shut down.

https://www.newsarama.com/36044-joss...legations.html

I wonder how this is going to affect Warner Bros, since he's working on those reshoots for Justice League, and then do the Batgirl movie.

I really wish people who can't do monogamy would just own up to that. Cripes.

Kinda humorous knowing that a lot of the time, these male feminists end up being creepier than the guys they're "protecting" the women from.

Sad.

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I don't understand. Can you not be a feminist and still struggle with monogamy?

Could these claims hurt Joss Whedon in the long run, if they are true?

Having read the essay, I think the claim Kai is making is that the justifications he made while having the affairs...along with the betrayal of cheating in the first place, call his stated belief that "women are equal" into question.

Which I can see.
People can be liars and cowards and still be feminists.

Male feminist turns out to be a weirdo using it just to get closer to women? Who would've thought?

Joss Whedon and Bruce Timm seem like they're both self destructing as they've gotten older. All their secrets are coming out.

Dude, Bruce Timm drew an ass. Get over it. He's always drawn lewd stuff.

Yeah, he's only really guilty of catching on to the fact all the kids that grew up with his stuff are old enough to be as pervy alongside him

Are you having some sort of Sonic mental collapse?

Gotta shitpost fast!

I hear that Zack is back.

As far as Whedon’s politics are concerned, I don’t think emotional manipulation is an issue of gender equality. Everyone is capable and guilty of that – we learn how to do it when we’re babies. I have more of a problem with someone being judgemental, and proselytising about morality when they clearly have a lot of work to do on themselves, but I guess if hypocrisy was a crime we’d all be breaking rocks right now.

What is interesting to me is how often people who deal in super heroes turn out to be so morally challenged. They write stories about morality and virtue in its most simplistic and clear form, and at the same time they’re cheating their collaborators out of money, taking credit for other people’s work and treating their family like sh*t. Not to mention all the fascist nut-jobs and pervy sleaze-bags. Maybe that says something about oversimplifying morality.

SHadow the Hedgehog is a pervert? No wonder he's so conflicted about things.

Not really. Will he lose a decent chunk of his hardcore fanbase? It's likely. But it will have literally zero impact on his career, professionally. He'll still get to direct blockbusters, produce television, and do whatever the hell he wants.

I'm still having a bit of a hard time grasping how one correlates to the other. People trip on their beliefs from time to time; does that immediately dissolve them of their label? We all have our weaknesses. We're all human. And this is coming from someone who is proud to say he's never cheated. But it's not like I don't understand the temptation, either.

We also need to keep in mind we know probably about 0.5 percent of everything thats been going on in the past 15 years behind closed doors. I wonder if it would change how people feel about this if we learned that his wife had also cheated multiple times during his long shoots away from home? We know so little about the ins and outs of their relationship.

And it's Hollywood, people. Not that it's an excuse in and of itself, but there's a common lifestyle that happens in the industry. You know how many actresses I've asked out to be told "Sure, but you should know, I have a boyfriend in (another city), but we're in an open relationship so I hope that's okay with you."

No doubt people will now begin combing through his work to find tiny little examples of Misogyny to cement their newfound opinion on the man whose same work they held as the gospel for the last 20 years.

I'd also like to say that if Whedonesque is shutting down because it's owner's opinion on the man changed overnight then that's hilariously sad.

Times like these I'm so glad I have the ability to separate art from the artist :roll:

He may lose a chunk of his fanbase, but I can see it also impact the box office for the movies he's directing, there would be those who won't see it cause of his involvement.

However Joss Whedon's supposed fanbase was a niche audience, so it won't have any affect at the box office.

There's being tempted, there's following through on that temptation, and then there's blaming the temptation for the fall.


I'd feel the same way:
She's a liar and a coward for not asking for an open relationship.

This isn't cheating.

Begin? People have been doing this from damn near day one.
The guy is very fond of his tropes, and there are folks who are very VERY vocal about not liking those tropes.

It's my understanding that Whedonesque was beginning to wind down anyway, and this just cut that wind-down shorter.

The site was there to let people know what both Whedon, and the people he'd worked with, were up to. Given his popularity in Hollywood, it kind of became a rather sizable undertaking.

For me it's less being able to separate the art from the artist, and more being able to accept that my faves are problematic.

Finding out this guy is a douche in his personal life might give me pause, or it might taint things of his that I love...but I'll still likely watch what he makes. I think there's a huge difference between this situation and say that of Roman Polanski.

Though, I reserve the right to change this opinion at such time as more less than savory news comes out.


The bulk of his fanbase is female, and it's not like Hollywood makes a habit of catering to that demographic.

Wasn't there a big fiasco about Whedon equating a sterile woman to a "monster" in the last Avengers movie that made him delete his Twitter and all after all the backlash? It still went on to make $1.4 billion dollars and is the second highest grossing MCU movie behind only the first Avengers.

This isn't going to do anything.

I'm not shocked by this, to be honest. I never really thought Joss Whedon was a feminist anyway as evidenced by the way the character of Cordelia Chase was written towards the end of the tv show Angel. I still have no problem being a fan of his work, though.

What's a feminist?

Again, I think the line gets blurry here... If you say "It was the temptation that made me do it!" aren't you technically blaming yourself by saying "I was weaker than the temptation"? It's bit of a circular way of thinking...

Didn't say it was; merely stressing how common the lifestyle of having multiple partners in the film industry is.

Sorry, yeah, I meant his newly detached fanbase following this news. I know he's always had his haters.

Ah, okay. I don't visit the site so I had no idea :P

I think there was a thread about this not too long ago... I generally conceded that unless there was an occurrence that was personally targeted against me, I have no problem consuming art or entertainment from whatever source it comes. A favourite youtuber of mine, Passion of the Nerd, posted this and pretty much sums up my feelings... Especially in the case of Whedon, where things like television and film have so many hands involved in the creative process.

At the end of the day it's just semantics, but to me blaming the temptation is like saying one had no control.
One has control, one just decided not to heed it.
It's...cowardly passing of the buck.

I'd expect better from a guy who's really vocal about being against the whole, "Guys just don't have self control. Amirite?" thing.

It's not just the film industry, but I catch your meaning.
The issue here isn't that he wanted to sleep around, it's that his committed lifepartner didn't give consent.

At very least that's a betrayal of trust, at most...he literally put her life in danger.


For me it's a matter of money.
Do I want my money going into the pocket of someone I find abhorrent?

All fair points. Well said.
I can understand that reservation. But again, when speaking in terms of film or television where Joss doesn't get nearly every nickel and dime when someone buys a Buffy boxset, would you condemn the other producers and distributors by association?

I suppose there's always...

HA! That or the library. Or a streaming service.
Or....you could be like me old enough to already have all of Buffy, Angel, and Firefly on dvd.

I read a bit of the comments section and the site's admin said there had been a plan to close the site for sometime, they just picked this incident to speed up the process.

Respect the creations, but remember that the creators are only human. And like many humans, they can often be assholes.

I met one of Marvel's top current writers when I was in college (not saying his name for the sake of not being petty) after inhaling a lot of stuff he did for DC during my childhood and early adolescence. He was a real dick in person, and
I got a strong vibe of elitism from him. It was kind of ironic to see him post a lot of SJW-oriented attacks directed towards various people on Twitter not too long after.

Is it Dan Slott? I bet it's Dan Slott.

No, it wasn't him.

PM me if you really want the details.

I don't care for Slott's Spider-Man, and I know a lot of people can't stand his Twitter interactions with fans, but his She-Hulk was all right.

It was typical SJWs typically taking words from context.

Translation: people had a different opinion than me.

It appears that The Wrap article has since been updated.

Whedon in "trouble" again:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/holly...J5LPFoYcP.html

Eh, though... I'm not sure I'm really against him in this case. Sounds like... two people on his crew started dating and he didn't want a conflict of interest and stuck to his guns on that? And they were really mad about that as a result? Ehhh... seems like no real story here.

Says right there in the article that they were engaged, which is a little bit more than just dating. Dude wanted them to call their whole marriage off for a TV show then got mad and threw in a thinly veiled threat when they didn't comply.

Here's another account of Whedon having a tantrum from James Marsters, formerly Spike

https://www.cinemablend.com/televisi...th-joss-whedon

Yeah, I've had wrestling promoters pull the same sh*t on me regarding my wife, it's bullsh*t but a lot of people are like that. It's scummy, I don't like it.

Surprise! Another male feminist is a ****** ****.

No pity for him, though, he helped to create this culture and profited from it. I don't want him to be chased from profession, but if it make him loose some pounds and dollars, good.

It's strange to me that justice essentially becomes a bunch of people talking **** and spreading it online, so other people won't be fooled by your "fake persona" or whatever.

I'm not here to judge Whedon or judge his, uh, "haters". I just find the whole thing kinda weird.

I actually like a lot of Whedon's work. Buffy, Angel, Firefly, The Avengers but I've always found his feminism kinda off. I don't begrudge some Carry On...esque humour as it's pretty harmless in moderation but the fact that he used the same face planting joke multiple times even going so far as to getting a body double when the actress refused to do it is quite problematic. I also found the character 'arc' Buffy goes through in Season 6 of the show very questionable. Joss routinely puts her in humiliating and degrading situations were the only time she feels alive is to have nasty sex with a guy she hates. The absolute pits is when Spike tries to rape her and she lets him live :o.

The fact that he has fine some very sketchy things isn't a huge suprise. Thankfully I tend to appreciate his works as a collaborative effort. seeing Angel seasons 3 & 4 which Whedon had less involvement in you can see the superior character work done by David Greenwalt and co but Joss definitely brings a certain tone that makes the show more marketable. His career is already in dodgy territory which is strange to think when what killed it was an Avengers sequel which didn't quite hit the mark of the original. I doubt these revelations will do much to move the dial significantly either way.