"Be patient. It’s going to be okay. We’re being respectful of the franchise.”
 

https://twitter.com/tmnt/status/965003377250889728

Thoughts?

As well as a lot of hype they got a lot of negativity too, they are just addressing it.

Not everyone is going to like the new designs and things like the leader shift but 'be patient' might mean it isn't going to be AS different as people think, wait (all the way till autumn) and see first.

Edit: re post below, yeah there's the difference between not liking something/giving an opinion and losing it/trolling etc.

Haters gonna hate, thats all I gotta say.

Even if I don't find myself interested in Rise, I find no reason to create a storm/flare over it like is being done on Social Media.

Totally superflous but I couldn't care less and find it equally superflous to complain about the negativity as complaining about the show.

There should be a difference. There should be nuance.
Folks should be able to say: This doesn't work for me, and then be able to articulate why it doesn't work, and/or just move on.

Rather than...well, what folks have been saying to garner a response like the one that started this thread.

Are those days gone?
Did they ever exist in the first place?

Heck, I have yet to see people actually define the word: Toxic.

Of course Andy had to say it. He could not say, "We do not know this franchise and do not understand it, and we did not get enough time to understand and do something right."

This is a standard phrase that they say always. And nothing more.:roll:

Jeeze, the feedback has to be really ugly for they to tweet it out.

Bebop, Rocksteady and Technodrome. Season 2. As damage control.

Respectful... That remains to be seen until we see a good chunk of the first season.

And a shark could claim that it's being respectful and only just swimming circles around you, but until you know its motives via its actions it's likewise hard to trust... (And if it talks, well definitely don't.)



At this point in time, based on what we've been told, I don't call overhauls of who characters are as people - the deepest fundamental aspects of them that have long developed over time - being respectful. No more than, say, cloning someone post-death but saying, Hey, I think I'll genetically change his/her personality, because why not! I want him/her different.

If it was respectful of the characters (granted they said franchise but that shouldn't mean much different), I wouldn't feel like the guy I relate to most just won't even be there anymore... But we shall see.

What a time to be alive.

The "fandom" is really making itself look really, really bad and really dumb over RotTMNT. At large. For a variety of reasons, some painfully obvious.

To be fair it's mostly people on twitter, most people here aren't posting there. The twitter TMNT fandom is pretty vicious, as is the one on tumblr.

I barely use social media so just imagine this place but 10 times worse.

I admit to having mixed feelings.

I'm perfectly comfortable in knowing that the show isn't for me. I have no interest in watching it, it's not aimed at me, I need to let people who enjoy it, enjoy it.

That said, I'm sort of elated that this is getting negative feedback, because, idk, to be frank, it just looks really bad to me. Sure, it's fair to wait until the debut to judge it, and I'll even check out the debut episode out of curiosity, but I'm giving my first impressions here.

I think negative feedback can be a healthy thing for the franchise.When it comes to choosing directions for further movies, video games, comics....the success of this take on the TMNT could very well be influential. So I can't deny that I'd be pleased with the fandom giving the message that "Hey, this TMNT Injustice 2 DLC is great, we'll buy this" and "Please try again with the direction of the cartoon".
Then again, maybe the fact that they both can exist despite eachother is enough reason not to worry about "Rise..."

I'm ready to wait and see how it goes along.

I haven't noticed that Nicks TMNT twitter account has much of a vicious following but not sure about the other TMNT fan twitter accounts.

Agreed with Aquaparade in relation to feedback, generally speaking.

I'm honestly shocked at how many on social media seem to HATE these designs. Especially considering how many seemed to love the PD mess.

It must be really bad if they feel the need to address it.


But just one look at the Splinter design makes me think they arn't being respectful to the franchise and are more parodying it.




I'm shocked your not at the fore front of all the complaining.... this entire series would be like your worst nightmare ;o).

While these things can be difficult to guage, it wasn't at all my impression that social media loved the Platinum Dune designs.

Vegita-san is trolling as usual.

Yeah some fans are not a good representation of the fandom. I’ve seen several good social media posts and contributed several myself. But it’s not easy to balance the scale.

Negativity seems to always get more attention. I wonder how many people want to be positive but don’t have the energy to put up with negative comments about their positive comment. I’ve had people respond to my “good” comment with “bad” comments. But I haven’t seen any “bad” comments replied to with “good.”

Why are negative people always more loud than positive? The new look of the show and toys could actually be really liked by a lot of people. But they just don’t voice their opinions.

Damage control for what? The show's target audience isn't going to care about any of that stuff.

Who was the poster on here that got mad at Ciro for basically telling him to **** off after they sent him a message on Facebook about the things they didn't like about his show?

That would be me.

After months of basically saying positive things about the show, I dared to say two things I didn't like. Basically I didn't care for Casey's Stupid FacePaint look...and that the Pulverizer was the most useless tmnt character ever invented.

I basically got F Bombed into oblivion and got told to commit suicide by his yes fans.
I'm still rather shocked at how fast that dove tailed.

It was only after that I learned that he'd already been driven mad by Cube who drove him off here. so the over reaction to an opinion made a little more sense.
Even though I shouldn't have to apologize for an opinion, I did anyway after learning all of the hate he was getting from other people, but he was having none of it...and that was it with that.

Suffice it to say, that was the last time I felt the need to interact with any of the new corporate shows creators.

Both of those comments surprised me

Lets just say I Was more open to the shows flaws :).

then Season 2 happened, followed by the Farm episodes, and I all but lost hope at that point and would have given up, if there wasn't still something I liked about it.

Why would I care either way about the latest cartoon for little kids? And even if I did, why would I expect it to be exactly like all the other little kid TMNT cartoons?

Vegita-san harassed Ciro over on his social media pages, I'm not surprised he got blocked/banned or whatever.

I hope that if any of the Rise Crew decide to join this place, that they won't be driven off like Ciro was because Nick Baxter wasn't like his 2k3 counterpart.

Yeah, there is no reason for you to care about the FAKE tmnt.

I picture you going into a froth any time bebop and rocksteady get mentioned as someones favorite characters :)

Well, I've always found that to be a great litmus test.

I've seen him receive a lot of vulgarity from someone over the finale, just constant swearing at him, how does a person plan to get a point across that way? well unless that the point is just they aren't happy, it did that, Ciro seemed to handle the comments I saw on the finale okay though.
I was surprised to learn he was on here, when I looked for his posts I think one of them said 'I really shouldn't be here' maybe as a creator he thought he shouldn't be?

Maybe by that point in season 5 he learned how to deal with it. Back in Season 1, not so much. After I learned how some other 'fans' had been dealing with their feelings towards the show, by going at him with all kinds of crazy stuff...some of the anger I felt at how I had been treated vanished a bit and replaced with understanding.. It all kind of fell into place.

Not one of my prouder moments. But still have no desire to seek out any new tmnt talent from this point forward. Not worth it.

So that show got a lot of it too, I don't know what the overall reaction was to 2012 compared to this one but I imagine similar from those who didn't like it. 2K3 would not really have had the social media aspect in it's time but I imagine there was some negativity before that started?
It isn't just TMNT , I followed a show my daughter likes and they tweeted about not hating.

The rest of the internet is worse right now. There's at least some people here who like/are optimistic/don't care here.

There's plenty on FB. Practically every TMNT FB group is lit up like a Christmas tree right now with 30, 40 year-olds galore going, "WHAAAATTT??? They're ruining TMNT!!!! #notmyTMNT!!!"

SAD!

I hate to say it, but it's really the casuals/non-fans. Yeah, they're the TMNT groups on FB, but they're the same kind of people who refuse to accept a non-Cajun Leatherhead or Casey with short hair.

People who have been "in the game" for the whole length are more "meh" about it on the whole.

I think we have to at least give it a chance.


And hey, if it turns out to be a flop, they'll try again right?

Maybe we'll get an:

Medicore to okay tv show, but a much better movie (series)?

Comics seems like they are doing pretty well.

Balance will come....

that's because 'old time' fans have been through the wringer already. we've suffered bad tmnt. We've suffered tmnt resurgance. We know there is usually a light at the end of the tunnel.

And I think most of us are at the point where, if there isn't this time, that's OK too. We've had 25 great years and that's enough for most of us.

God, I hope so. I do worry that a series (this or any other) could flop and they choose to blame the franchise for not being popular anymore rather than their own choices.



Provided I make it to old age, personally I really hope the franchise outlives me. For this generation to be old and dying off, but know the Turtles still hopefully continue on without us would be pretty cool. Nah, 25 years isn't enough... Wish I could live long enough to see them hit a century, but that ain't gonna happen. My nephew could though.

I thought those were the non toxic places of the fandom :lol:wasnt that argued in the other thread

No we don't. I mean, you should if you want to venture an opinion... but just keep in mind RotTMNT and it's staff don't owe one thing to 30, 40 year old fans.

:tthumbsu:

I'm just glad someone else can see that, or is willing to admit it. It's mostly been myself & Cubed making that distinction up to this point. :tlol: