What movie franchises have been ruined for you?
 

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I was going to reply to sdp in a different thread and then I realized... come to think of it, huh... it's been a pretty damn depressing few years with major franchises that I once enjoyed...

"Alien"? Utterly destroyed by its creator with the one-two punch of Prometheus and Covenant.

"Star Trek"? STD was insult to injury, salt on an already gaping wound after suffering through the Abrams movies. I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel unless the Tarantino movie turns out to be something truly amazing.

"Star Wars"? Do I even need to elaborate why?

"Terminator"? Not one but two increasingly bad trilogy starting movies, how can anyone possibly still be aboard? I'm not. T6 has an uphill battle. They better cut like the best freaking trailer ever in the history of movie trailers.

"The DCEU"? "Justice League" managed to murder, like, any interest I could have in any subsequent DC movies attached to it all in one fell swoop, as well as retroactively the movies they've already done.

I'm really worried about "The Predator."

Am I missing any here?

All of the above.

...and Bring It On.

The thing about movie sequels is you can easily ignore them, and there have always been bad movie sequels, so why are people acting like this is new? Let's look at old movie franchise sequel failures from the 80's and 90's:

1. Did Batman and Robin sucking somehow ruin Batman 1989 or Batman Returns? No. Some people just acknowledge the Tim Burton films and ignore the last two.

2. Did Superman III and IV sucking somehow ruin Superman 1 and 2? No, people, generally ignore the Superman films after the two Donner flicks.

3. Robocop 3 was garbage. Did that that ruin the franchise? No, you can ignore it.

4. Alien III and Ressurection were both pretty bad, yet people ignore them and love Alien and Aliens.

etc.

I mean I could go on, almost any old movie franchise that had a number of sequels always has a bad movie in there. So why are people acting like this is some new thing the late 2000's did? When they have old bad movie sequels, people just ignore them.

I agree with you for the most part. I think the bigger issue is when a sequel/prequel comes out that retroactively changes a character or story.

I still like III as a guilty pleasure, I guess. It also has some great character moments.

It'll be interesting to see how the recent controversies with Kevin Spacey will affect the way Superman Returns is remembered from now on.

I don't know that there's a franchise that's been ruined for me because of a singular movie.

I mean, I didn't like Iron-Man 2, but that doesn't ruin my love of the other two.
Benefits of also being a fangirl, I guess.

You're right. Superman III, for all it's issues, had some strong moments. I love how unsettling this scene is. And his bright suit amidst the muted tones of the home, the sounds of the kids outside... the director (at times) knew what he was doing.



As far as Superman Returns go, if it's being remembered at all I'd say that's an improvement.

And I say that as a really big fan of that movie.

I agree completely with the list and can only add one more:

The Matrix - The second movie was ok but the third was so bland and none of the things set up in the second movie had satisfying answers that it actually made the second movie bad an forget about the original. Now I re-watched the trilogy a while ago and the first is still good and a decent reboot ignoring the sequels and a fresh concept might save the franchise but unless handled very well which I find difficult I think this one is done as well when they eventually try again.

Other examples I'm just not that attached to so I really don't care if say Beethoven or Air Bud were ruined by countless direct to video sequels.

Maybe also The Crow?

The sequels all ruined the idea of the franchise continuing over and over again, also I don't see the development hell ridden reboot being anything to care about. Though it's possible I guess.

It's not that easy, while you can do it sometimes others you can't, some sequels can be so bad and change so many things that they retroactively make the original film worse.

Inb4 Vegita-San goes on his anti-SJW-Anti_woman MRA star wars rant in this thread for the billionth time on this forum. :lol:

Star Trek.

Ghostbusters.

Star Wars.

Ninja Turtles.

Nothing has been left that hasn't been ruined by the 'nu' audience touch. so long long time dedicated fans. we don't needs you anymores..

God damnit ... I didn't beat crazy old man aut bot to the punch.

Of course, how could I forget Ghostbusters?

Ehh... maybe, but it wasn't like the 3 sequels before the PD movies came along really elevated TMNT all that much as a movie franchise to begin with.

That's retarded. Anyone who thinks that way has issues.

I dunno. If we get 20 more episodes of Star Wars that are all crappy, in 20 years will anyone really still care about "but part 4 was really good! That was the good one!" There is definitely a diminishing effect.

Yeah, I can't say as I disagree.
Next Mutation didn't work for me, but it's not like it's mere existence has rendered me incapable of enjoying the Mirage books.

What a fragile mindset.

Though...certain works of fiction have been ruined for me by the behavior of the people who've created it...so maybe this is like that?

It's funny, I consider many of the Marvel movies overhyped but I feel, along with a couple of niche lines, they're the only things preventing me from completely writing off the Marvel brand as a whole. The comics and cartoons outright suck and many of the creators are assholes, the movies at least have a good grip on the characters.

I've been disappointed with some sequels, some getting worse each time but the bad Robocop sequels would not stop me going off to see another attempt at it. I still went to see the last Terminator, Arnie is getting on a bit now so not sure about my level of excitement for 6 but curious enough to see it, still like ones I like (As with other things)

I'm feeling like I'm getting Star Wars'd out a bit... I'll see the next one in this trilogy but with less enthusiasm with all the old characters being gone.

When people disliked the Star Wars prequels did that make them hate the original trilogy? No, because you can ignore movie sequels/prequels/continuations if you want.

I think you guys are treating this like you do seasons in a TV show. When a TV show has a bad season it's harder to "ignore" like a movie sequel, because TV shows all continue for a set number of seasons till they end. But with bad movie sequels you can just skip/ignore them.

Harder, but not impossible.
I mean, season 2 of Veronica Mars is clearly the weakest season but that doesn't negate the awesome of Season 3 or the perfection of Season 1.

The same can be said of Friday Night Lights.

Yeah, I wouldn't say there are things that are ruined for me, just maybe getting fatigue, even then that's only a few things, otherwise I like to get more of something I have enjoyed.

Maybe that's a better way to put it.

1 Really now? Where's Batman Triumphant?
2 That's hard to say, after 5 movies, good or bad it might have time for Reeves to do other novies
3 So.... why did it die there? Where's part 4?
4 people can argue we didn't need a part 4.

Movie franchises get ruined when the one movie so bad it either dies or get rebooted.

You're missing his point completely.

The Chronicles of Narnia was ruined with both Prince Caspian and The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. I thought The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe was a faithful adaptation and probably was my favorite film of 2005. Its sequels were just major letdowns. They are apparently going to make The Silver Chair, but I am worried they might not get that one right either.

Wonder Woman has so far been the only bright spot in the D.C. Extended Universe. I just can't get into any of the other films.

None.
As strange as it sounds I am always open to give a chance to any franchise, no matter, how bad the previous outing was.

Of course, I do not watch movies in cinema, so I don't pay for them.

Well the thread was not specific enough that it's lead to a few similar yet different discussions.

Yeah, most can ignore crap sequels that are on DTV or crap reboots of cool franchises or whatever as in the case of say Batman. But I think Andrew meant a movie franchise that has had miss after miss that you just can't get excited about a new movie in that genre or that the sequels have messed up the continuity so much that even if a decent movie was made enough of the original ideas have been altered so much that you have no interest in.

I don't disagree, I always hated people who say even the original is ruined or how Star Wars prequels ruined Star Wars. But with Disney Star Wars I kind of understand, I'm just not into the universe anymore and there's no end to it.

What I meant by my post was mostly referring to The Matrix Reloaded, in itself when I re-watched it, it's not a horrible movie, it has enough there to make it a disappointing but alright sequel that lead into the next movie with a bunch of questions. Now Revolutions went for a generic war movie and answered or gave unsatisfying answers to Reloaded, making that movie worse off since now you know all those interesting things that could be expanded were really just crap. It lead to such a bad taste in my mouth I didn't watch The Matrix which was my favorite movie at the time for many many years.

When I re-watched it, I had a great time and was able to "separate" it from the sequels but sometimes it happens.

I was definitely not meaning to be one of those "MY CHILDHOOD IS RUINED" people, I've always and will continue to find it dumb.

No, that's entirely different, Next Mutation is a different continuity. Imagine more along the likes of Mirage TMNT introducing slapstick comedy like TNM in the canon books. Or like you said in Star Wars Han Solo's defining moment ruined.

Now, that is dumb, you have to separate the art from the artist. You think half of the shows you watch aren't made by jerks? You just don't know.

I mean yeah, sometimes it can affect, it happens but really if we're picky I realized I wouldn't like anything I like.

Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions (for the record, I actually way more like Revolutions over Reloaded... nothing even happens in Reloaded other than them looking for the Key Master or whatever for 90% of the movie, and he doesn't even end up serving much of a purpose), I find it's much better to imagine them as a single sequel or story broken up into two parts. It isn't hard to imagine a reedit that chops out a little more than an hour of fluff from both movies (way moreso from Reloaded) and combines it all into one movie that would actually be pretty good.

1. I actually enjoy Prometheus. Never seen the other Aliens movie yet though.

2. I'm only familiar with the Star Trek reboot movies. The first one was forgettable with Chris Pine being a typical ****boy and that one scene where the woman suddenly strip her whole outfit off was so random like wtf. The sequel with Benedict Cumberbatch was a bit better.

3. Star Wars... yeah, there's no main villain threat like Supreme Leader Snook being killed off so prematurely. Also, Rose being a lame cockblock just threw away the Finn X Poe ship set out in TFA... Lame!

4. Terminator I only enjoy the first two. It gets boring after that.

5. DCEU. Justice League was awful after what WB & Whedon did.

Yeah, I like Revolutions more than Reloaded too.

Part of the problem with Reloaded that it has a very ****ed up pacing, especially closer to the end. Parts of the story from Reloaded were cut from the movie and told in the game tie-in Enter the Matrix and two shorts from Animatrix. One covers how Resistance have learnt about attack of machines and another tells about origin of this annoying teenager who fanboys Neo.

The funny part that even if you play Enter the Matrix before Reloaded (like I did), you still won't get a full picture, because ETM, also, misses some story beats, which were left in the movie.

Revolutions, gladly was spared from this problems, and aside from the fact that it pick ups immediately after Reloaded with no explanation about what had happened in the previous movie, it is much more coherent and fun (given that you like Matrix mythology).

It kind of reminds me about Quantum of Solace, which picks up immediately after end of Casino Royale. Though, in this case it was not planned this way I believe.

I also prefer the first Matrix. The sequels are just meh.

Everyone prefers the first Matrix.

I treat Matrix and its sequels, like a very different things. Though I like them all more or less the same.
My main problem with sequels, aside from aforementioned problems with pacing in the Reloaded, is that all main characters in them talk in pseudo-philosophical babble. Hilariously secondary characters talk like normal people.

More than anything else, though, I think Matrix 2 and 3 show the hazards of rushing out sequels or worrying about "we need to make a trilogy... quickly!" The Wachowskis had a lifetime to devise Matrix 1 and it shows. They spent only like a year or so developing Matrix 2 and 3 (which they shot back to back, to boot)... and it also shows. They should have spent 5 years working on nothing but a strong Matrix 2 and the same for 3.

Oh, man, I love Superman III for Richard Pryor stealing the spotlight in every scene he's in.

I LOVE Richard Pryor... but man, in Superman 3... eh, yeah. Bad movie. Superman IV was a stronger movie with a noticeably smaller budget. It's sort of the TMNT III to Superman III's TMNT II.

I'll confess it's not a good "Superman" movie. Kinda feels more like a sitcom-based feature film with Superman as the guest star.

It was like they transferred the buffoonery of Luthor and his cronies in I and II onto the whole movie in III and just said, "F*** it."

some parts arn't bad. an average man saving superman. evil superman versus clark kent. clarks normal life.

other parts are. basically a richard pryor movie.

In my understanding a franchise goes bad when you don't want to see it continue anymore. In that case Terminator has been ruined since T3, even though Genisys was a surprisingly fun parody. Predator might be on its way to ruination, but I'll give the new one the benefit of the doubt.

Maybe it's my understanding of the word franchise. I was taking it to mean the entire property itself, and not a specific spinoff of that property.

Are we talking about it as just a singular iteration?

Like, that McDonald's on Main Street is terrible I won't visit that franchise again? Meaning that particular store, as opposed to McDonald's and its entirety?