DC Preparing Another "Crisis"
 

DC will have another Crisis event soon (simply called Crisis)

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/05...vent-revealed/

...But apparently it may end in the erasure of Lois and Clark's marriage as well as Batman's upcoming marriage to Selina.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/05...man-marriages/

So stupid. Did Spider-Man's sales even go up when they retconned away his marriage?

Way to continue to piss away "Rebirth" goodwill, DC.

This is why I generally don't like comics.

there is no end game for the big companies. it's all wash, rinse, repeat, no flow.

Superman = Yep, still toxic.

Batman = Yep, still a sea of a million books, ideas, and no guiding anything.

There is no real continuity in comics anymore. Just pick and choose what stories to read, overall continuity means nothing.

Aahahahaha. Making big event and then delete it.
Very comic book-like.

Why reinstate a marriage just to do away with it? Not to mention the Bat-marriage only going to be undone a year later? What is the point in even reading it even its going to go away immediately? I don't understand it and I honestly thought this anti-marriage stance was something comics had gotten over. Is Mr. Freeze going to be fixated on a cyrogenically frozen women who is several decades older again? :trazz:

Brilliant. Just BRILLIANT. :tlol: :tlol: :tlol: :tlol:

I guess nobody thought to learn from Marvel's mistakes, huh?

I don't understand the return to original numbering only to drop it 11 MONTHS later. Its like comic companies are bi-polar. I like married heroes and high numbered comics.:ohwell:

That's the problem with making comics run forever or decades.

I prefer the way TV shows, cartoons or movies do things. You have one incarnation of Batman and then it ends and they reboot it for a new one.

For example we had Adam West Batman, Batman 1989, Batman: TAS, then Nolan's Batman, then the other Batman cartoons like The Batman, Brave and the Bold, etc. Instead of doing crisis and retcons, all these Batmans are reboots and exist in their own separate continuity. That way each series has a clear concise ending and then new directors/writers can just do something else without being worried about continuity.

It's the same thing with TMNT, aside from crossover universes, all the new Turtle series start over fresh in their own little universe from the start with Splinter training the Turtles, the Turtles meeting April the first time, meeting Shredder, etc.

People act like it's so hard, so impossible to maintain history and continuity. Bullsh**. It's not hard to maintain that. Editors should be in charge of that, acting as watchdogs. That also doesn't mean it has to make a thing less accessible -- if they want to tell stories that aren't "continuity heavy" they can... it's pretty easy not to reference the battle with Star Blaster in #222 or whatever if you don't want to, just don't contradict it (which is where editors are supposed to come in, IMHO).

It is absolutely, inexcusably terrible that there's 8 million conflicting versions of Batman, TMNT, etc. across various media. All it leads to is confusion and a splintered fanbase, along with never-ending nerd arguing over inconsequential nonsense.

Nobody, anywhere, needs any more of that.

At most, any franchise should only have two main versions: An "all-ages" one suitable for kids, and a "proper" one aimed more for the people actually paying for the product, that can actually tell stories of consequence. They should run parallel and not contradict each other in any significant way, and it should be believable that they're still in the same "universe" even if there are differences in tone or style. There can still be "Elseworlds" or "imaginary stories" but they should be clearly labelled as such and only used sparingly.

No 20 different origins for the TMNT. No 20 different versions of Krypton or explanations why it blew up. It's not at all necessary, it's clutter, it fractures the audience, and it over-complicates things that should be simple.

"Who are the TMNT, and what is their origin?" There should be ONE ANSWER, not a hundred. Not, "Well, in this volume, it went like this, but then someone started another series, and it all went like this..." A simple question shouldn't require a 30-minute dissertation requiring charts, graphs, and Grant Morrison's Guide To The Multiverse just to get a f*cking answer.

THAT is the reason more people don't read comics. Because you can't even ask, "Who is Superman?" and get a simple straight f*cking answer anymore. By your logic, there'd inevitably be an INFINITE number of stupid, conflicting, needless alternative versions of everything under the sun. "Well, this series ran for 100 issues, let's just start over again and do it all completely different..." No. BAD.

Andrew is right; continuity absolutely matters, because people want to feel like there's a point to following these stories at all. Over-shuffling and constant restarts kills everything, ruins momentum, and makes things seem a lot more complicated than they ought to be. If anything, that Reboot button should only be hit every 20 years or so, minimum, and only as a last resort.

Anyways, you are the last person on Earth who should be speaking on how comics "ought to be". People who don't even read or understand them in the first place should stifle themselves. And any person anywhere who's either too lazy or too functionally-illiterate to read a couple TPB's has no business dictating whether continuity matters or not.

I don't know, kid. Sometimes, you amuse me. Other times, I just want to shoot you up with tranquilizers and skin you while you're still awake.

Sales were pretty lousy for the period in between 2008 to 2010, then got better when Dan Slott took over and created the well received Superior Spider-Man series, which was about Doc Ock hijacking Peter's body, so it's success did not hinge on Peter's adventures at all. When Peter returned, the book's sales declined (as did Slott's passion for the book) and stayed at low levels until very recently when Slott announced he was leaving.

Peter's marriage has survived for most of the decade across other titles and mediums however. The newspaper strip (which can be found online at Comic Kingdom) has kept it going longer than when it was in the main canon (31 years to 616's 20 years) and recently we've had the alternate universe title Renew Your Vows which introduces a new daughter for Peter and MJ, though it's sales are not exactly healthy and it's at risk of cancellation presently.

Main reason I like anime and manga. Aside from a few exceptions, it starts and it ends. Move on to the next series. We don't have 20 Ichigos or 50 origins for Naruto floating around.

IMO, Spider-Man's story came to an end with the final regular issue of Spider-Girl, that or 2009's Clone Saga mini-series.

Marvel tried undoing the happy ending of Spider-Girl with Spider-Verse, but Mayday's creators wrote a story which essentially gave fans the OK to ignore the event if they wanted to.

If that's actually the case, then that's so freaking stupid.

If I am not mistaken the three different reboot's at Marvel with three different directions playing havoc with numbering is because there were three different CEOs of Marvel. Is that correct?

That being said what could sudden reversal of marriage excuse be for DC? It remind me of how Brightest Day had just completed and its direction could never be explored because of New 52 that was decided about 60% of the way through the Brightest Day event. I was actually excited for Bruce/Selina and seeing Dick Grayson as Batman again.:-?:(

Jim Lee says the rumors of a reboot are untrue: https://twitter.com/jimlee/status/99...265145857?s=21

How much can we believe him? Its like when a general manager says the team will not trade the closer and the very next week he is gone. I just need more than Jim Lee's tweet to validate it.

What's even the point of divorcing Superman again? Just to try and have him date Wonder Woman for the third or fourth time again?

I mean, the solution is so obvious... just have multiple more than one Superman in continuity but rotate them in and out of the primary dimension so that you can have one plotline dedicated to the "home" Supes and the other dedicated to the "away" Supes. It's just like a basketball and hockey team having to share the same arena! :tlol:

I really don't understand why everyone keeps reinventing Superman, Wonder Woman, and the Flash, et al. Mustn't have character development, years of growth and progress and relationships to carry over for new readers! Bless those new readers and their less than fifty dollars worth of purchases, who drop the books anyway. And screw the faithful, who own every Superman or Green Lantern comic ever written. Why should they be considered in the business?

You know what got me into comics in the first place? Continuity.


When I was a little kid I wasn't a huge superhero fan, I liked them but my interest piqued when I would pass through comic racks and see those amazing covers depicting a different world from what I was seeing in cartoons. Batman had different Robins, something had happened. Superman had died and four supermen were trying to take his place. All the Green Lanterns had died, Flash was the original kid flash. All this from the small bios I'd read inside comic books.

It's those things that got me hooked and made me a geek. As I watched the cratoon adaptations, I couldn't wait for those shows to eventually get to the storylines the comics were getting now that generations had happened in the comics.

When I was a teen I obviously saw things wouldn't change but I still saw that even with a sliding timeline and comic book time that time still passed in the DC and Marvel Universes albeit extreme slowly. I began collecting comic books. Eventually I realized that DC and Marvel just didn't care about even progressing little by little. My interest in ever getting into comics faded.

I take the approach of just read interesting stories and don't even care about continuity.

Yeah, of course he'd say that, anything to stop an immediate sales decrease before they're good and ready.

The problem with the DC reboots is Batman is always somehow less affected. Sure he might not be married to Catwoman and he might lose The Signal after the reboot, but he'll still have like 20 Robins. Go all out DC. Have Dick Grayson be Robin again and give us modern Dynamic Duo stories.

If we cannot have Batman married and Dick subbing as Batman this would be a welcome change of pace if it is a true reboot.

I am agree with pretty much all points in this message.

Until you went full elitist retard at 'cubed that is. Not that guy didn't deserve it, but they way you have went of the rocker was just hilarious and didn't make you look much better.

Green Lantern is almost always impervious to DC reboots. Even after the first Crisis.

That is, until Geoff John's showed up with his list of bullet points he didn't like about Hal... but even there, he finessed his changes into things not unlike a drunken sailor trying to give a foot massage at sea.

Cubed and I have been doing this dance longer than you've been around here, mate. Like 80 times as long.

He knows I'm his biggest fan. Nobody in the history of this place has ever spoken more in the defense of that guy. That said, I can kick him if I feel like it. If he didn't know he was the Village Idiot, he wouldn't keep ringing his goddamn bell.

Ain't like he gives a sh*t. He can handle his own business, eh?

Same happens with European comics in general. Not to mention many of those, at least the likes of Tintin, Lucky Luke and Astérix, tend to be stand alone books/volumes with a new adventure and not some large continuing storyline. meaning you can easily hop in at any book and not feel lost, even when a character from a previous book you haven't read yet shows up.

I could never really get into Marvel and DC comics for the reasons Leo stated. People might think I take pride in not being a fan of those brands and such, but that's more like I don't have a ****ing clue where to begin and thus never had more than very superficial contact with Batman, Superman and Spider-Man. Basically a few video games and movies.

Yeah, I'm kind of on board the "one version" train. Though I get that different media should get their own versions.

Even as a kid, when I was reading the TMNTA Archie series, as soon as I discovered the Mirage stuff, there was no doubt in my mind "Oh, right, while this Archie stuff is still cool THIS is the real TMNT."

I wonder sometimes if the people clamoring for more and more new brand new TMNT universes, brand new Splinter and Bebop origins or whatever, I wonder if they're doing that because they want to obfuscate things to better suit "their canon." You know, back in the day, we could have a pretty logical argument that mutagen works this way, except for just the Fred Wolf stuff. Now people can say, "Hah! Well hold on, the mutagen only works that way in the Mirage and movie stuff! NOW it works THIS way in like the 5 other new cartoons since then, PLUS Fred Wolf... so I guess that settles that! I WIN THE ARGUMENT!"

Does that make sense?