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Jarrah White 11-06-2003 04:42 PM

How old are the Turtles?
 
As the title suggests they are in their teens, but which teen number exactly? The original comic books says they are at least thirteen, but in the show they are seen driving motors like the Sewer Slider/Cellcycle/Turtle wagon, you have to be sixteen to drive. More to the point, are the turtles even the same age? Were they born one at a time or are they quadruplets?

Cascadia 11-06-2003 04:46 PM

they are about 15 years old. The driving license is not an issue with the TMNT. In terms of if they were born at a time or are they quadruplets....we are not really sure because the creators never covered that issue.

MW8979 11-06-2003 04:46 PM

I think if memory serves me right, Leonardo is 16, Donatello is 15-16ish, and Raphael + Michaelangelo are 15. That's the official dogma anyway, although in some instances one could argue they're considerably more mature and older than the prescribed age.

heretic888 11-06-2003 04:46 PM

ahem
 
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As the title suggests they are in their teens, but which teen number exactly?
In the new cartoon, they are 15 --- most likely approaching their 16th birthday sometime soon in the show. In the Mirage comic, they are approximately 28.

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The original comic books says they are at least thirteen, but in the show they are seen driving motors like the Sewer Slider/Cellcycle/Turtle wagon, you have to be sixteen to drive.
The turtles are not legal citizens and thus don't care about the law.

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More to the point, are the turtles even the same age?
Yes.

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Were they born one at a time or are they quadruplets?
They were all born at approximately the same time (i.e., they were hatched from the same set of eggs from the same mother turtle). They are not, as far as we know, quadruplets.

Laterz.

heretic888 11-06-2003 04:48 PM

ahem
 
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I think if memory serves me right, Leonardo is 16, Donatello is 15-16ish, and Raphael + Michaelangelo are 15. That's the official dogma anyway, although in some instances one could argue they're considerably more mature and older than the prescribed age.
That is, in fact, not true at all.

Spacefille 11-06-2003 04:48 PM

Okay that answer I do know... as far as I can remember, the going age is 15 in the new cartoon, old cartoon and the movies.

I figured it out once... they'd be about 30 years old right now, relative to the original comic book series.

As for the age relative to each other question... if they were all babies when the tank broke I think it can be safe to assume that the turtles all came from the same litter as a mom turtle lays a whole lot of eggs. They wouldn't be quadruplets in the identical sense because the DNA mixing would be slightly different in each egg... but they probably can be considered fraternal quadruplets.

Karpo_007 11-06-2003 05:04 PM

Thre's no reason to asume they wouldn't be the same age. Even if they hatched at diffrent time[wich sounds unlikely to me] their real birth was the moment they were exposed to the ooze.

In Mirage, accurate age has always been hard to tell, in volume 1 somehwere between 13-16, 16 during volume 2, and "in their thirties" in the ongoing series.

As for the new cartoon, I think it's 15.

Anarchistguy 11-06-2003 05:24 PM

At the VERY beginning of Volume 1, they were 13 years old. At around volume 1 no.7 they were 15 1/2 years old. From Return To New York to the end of volume 2(?), they were 16. And now, in volume 4, they're 28 years old.

I'm not sure about the RTNY part, though. :ohwell: :-?

heretic888 11-06-2003 05:33 PM

ahem
 
I'll give some "unofficial" but basically accepted ages:

Volume 1, #1: 13 years

Volume 1, #4: 15 years

Volume 1, #21: 16 years (Leo states 3 years had passed since their first battle with Shredder)

Volume 1, #50: 16 years (beginning of City at War)

Volume 1, #62: 17 years (end of City at War)

Volume 2, #1: 17 years

Volume 2, #13: 18 years (approximately)

Volume 4, #1: 28 years (Mike alludes that 15 years have passes since they fought the Purple Dragon)

Karpo_007 11-06-2003 05:46 PM

The time lines in Mirage are confusing. During City at War they said on the mail page that the turtles are 16.

Bowser_Koopa 11-06-2003 05:51 PM

Re: ahem
 
[quote="heretic888"]
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In the new cartoon, they are 15 --- most likely approaching their 16th birthday sometime soon in the show. In the Mirage comic, they are approximately 28.
even in the first comic?!

Stone Ill 11-06-2003 06:17 PM

Re: ahem
 
[quote="Bowser_Koopa"]
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Originally Posted by heretic888
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In the new cartoon, they are 15 --- most likely approaching their 16th birthday sometime soon in the show. In the Mirage comic, they are approximately 28.
even in the first comic?!

No.. :roll:

Read the above posts..

Bowser_Koopa 11-06-2003 06:18 PM

how can they be 13?? i don't accept it! they have to 15+ or something :s

HorseTechie 11-06-2003 06:20 PM

I knew it.... they are as old as me! 28 years... :P

Actually, it was dietermined by a bunch of us on a mailing list that the original Turtles must have been born in 1969, if they were to be 15 at the start of Volume 1 in 1984. So that would make them to be 34 in 2003.

(Which I think would be cool, cause my husband was born in 1969)

But if they were 13, then it would be 1971. The key point in time was 1984.

Stone Ill 11-06-2003 06:32 PM

In the new cartoon, they would've been born in 1988, like me. :D

heretic888 11-06-2003 06:45 PM

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The time lines in Mirage are confusing. During City at War they said on the mail page that the turtles are 16.
Ahem: "Volume 1, #50: 16 years (beginning of City at War)"

:roll:

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how can they be 13?? i don't accept it! they have to 15+ or something
Very simple:
1) Splinter states in Volume 1, #1 that he had trained them for 13 years.
2) Eastman and Laird stated in response to fanmail that the TMNT were 16 during the Return to New York story.
3) Leo stated that 3 years had passes since they first fought Shredder when he faced him at the end of the story.
4) 16 - 3 = 13

Laterz.

Bowser_Koopa 11-06-2003 06:48 PM

too bad i don't care, its just stupid they are just kids they look and feel older, even if its the "original age" its not the way it should be

Karpo_007 11-06-2003 06:50 PM

And you know how humanoid turtles with ninjutsu training should act at the age of 13?

Bowser_Koopa 11-06-2003 06:52 PM

well....not really, but turtles live for hundreds of years so they should have a long infance or something

Mouse 11-06-2003 06:55 PM

i tihnk we can all safely assume that the foursome are extremely up there in years:)

what i think is that if you do the math you might find them in their thirties maybe nowadays if the math was done correctly:P

Karpo_007 11-06-2003 06:57 PM

Or they could be adults at the age of 10 and act that way for the rest of their lives. Thats how it goes with many animal species, IE Dogs become "adults" at the age of 2, my dog is 7 soon, and has been acting the same way for the last 5 years.

My point? Even if they get human atributes, doesn't mean they age like humans.

Bowser_Koopa 11-06-2003 06:57 PM

i guess.........i still think they should be older

Leo656 11-06-2003 06:59 PM

I think it's irrelevant and, honestly, just another case of fans trying to pick something apart for lack of anything better to do. Does it matter? Did they ever even ACT like teenagers? Would you even know they were if the name of the book had been simply "Ninja Turtles"? Probably not.

In DC, half of the members of the current "Teen Titans" are in their 20s now. Just let it go. Trying to figure out the ages of fictional characters is pointless because they do not age in real time. Events do not happen in real time. It's only relevant to the story the writer is trying to tell at THAT moment in time. No sense getting all worked into a tizzy over it. It's better to say that the Turtles were "around 15" in the originals and "late 20s-early 30s" now. There's no need to ever address the issue specefically and thus it most likely won't be. I highly doubt Peter Laird ever sat down with a slide rule and a stack of old Mirage comics and tried to determine each Turtle's exact age.

Bowser_Koopa 11-06-2003 07:03 PM

when i said "i guess....." i was letting it go

Karpo_007 11-06-2003 07:06 PM

Thats what I've been saying, the Mirage continuty isn't accurate enough so that you could give them specific ages. And it doesn't matter, but it's a topic to discuss about.

MW8979 11-06-2003 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656
I think it's irrelevant and, honestly, just another case of fans trying to pick something apart for lack of anything better to do. Does it matter? Did they ever even ACT like teenagers? Would you even know they were if the name of the book had been simply "Ninja Turtles"? Probably not.

In DC, half of the members of the current "Teen Titans" are in their 20s now. Just let it go. Trying to figure out the ages of fictional characters is pointless because they do not age in real time. Events do not happen in real time. It's only relevant to the story the writer is trying to tell at THAT moment in time. No sense getting all worked into a tizzy over it. It's better to say that the Turtles were "around 15" in the originals and "late 20s-early 30s" now. There's no need to ever address the issue specefically and thus it most likely won't be. I highly doubt Peter Laird ever sat down with a slide rule and a stack of old Mirage comics and tried to determine each Turtle's exact age.

Ditto.

Leo656 11-06-2003 07:21 PM

Discussion I'm all for, I just get a bit miffed when people seem as if they're telling people they're right or wrong in a debate such as this where there is no "right" answer. But I love everybody anyway, let's play pool. :D

heretic888 11-06-2003 07:22 PM

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Thats what I've been saying, the Mirage continuty isn't accurate enough so that you could give them specific ages.
Yes, it is. Every one of the ages I listed (with the possible exception of the Volume 2 ages) is validated by either the characters themselves and/or Eastmand and Laird responding to fanmail. All you have to do is apply a little common logic.

Leo656 11-06-2003 07:24 PM

OR we could say that E and L were using the "yeah, that seems about right" method of determining the Turtles' ages, also commonly known as the "Pulled It Out of Their Ass" equation. And the fact remains that all of us probably spent way more time thinking about the subject than Eastman and Laird EVER did.

HorseTechie 11-06-2003 08:14 PM

Yeah... and they are 34, dammit!

Or 32... 30 something...




:D

Buslady 11-07-2003 12:59 AM

Typically 15 for all of them, far as I know.

I like to have them different ages in my fics. How do we know if they were from the same clutch of eggs, same parents, hatched the same time, blah blah blah.... so In my fics I have Raph and Leo both about the same age, 18 and Don 15 Mikey 14. that's the fun of fanfics, you can do whatteevverrrr you wanna

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Originally Posted by Bowser_Koopa
well....not really, but turtles live for hundreds of years so they should have a long infance or something

actualy pond turtles dont live for hundreds of years, Red Ears, if that's what they are, live upward of 30ish years. Tortoises onthe other hand are a different story. the oldest Galapagos, Harriet, was collected by Darwin himself and resides at Steve Irwin's Australia Zoo.

EZweasel 11-07-2003 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Buslady
Typically 15 for all of them, far as I know.


I like to have them different ages in my fics. How do we know if they were from the same clutch of eggs, same parents, hatched the same time, blah blah blah.... so In my fics I have Raph and Leo both about the same age, 18 and Don 15 Mikey 14. that's the fun of fanfics, you can do whatteevverrrr you wanna

about the whole egg thing. it gets me to thinking maybe one day the turtles can find their mom even though shes only a turtle and wont know them it might be neat i guess.

Jarrah White 11-07-2003 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by EZweasel
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Originally Posted by Buslady
Typically 15 for all of them, far as I know.


I like to have them different ages in my fics. How do we know if they were from the same clutch of eggs, same parents, hatched the same time, blah blah blah.... so In my fics I have Raph and Leo both about the same age, 18 and Don 15 Mikey 14. that's the fun of fanfics, you can do whatteevverrrr you wanna

about the whole egg thing. it gets me to thinking maybe one day the turtles can find their mom even though shes only a turtle and wont know them it might be neat i guess.

Gee finding their mother will be extremly difficult, turtles lay their eggs on the beach then abandon their eggs.

Karpo_007 11-07-2003 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656
OR we could say that E and L were using the "yeah, that seems about right" method of determining the Turtles' ages, also commonly known as the "Pulled It Out of Their Ass" equation. And the fact remains that all of us probably spent way more time thinking about the subject than Eastman and Laird EVER did.

Yep, thats what I think too. Age was never a big part of the story, and accurate answer was never given. Most accurate was "around 16" during City at War, of course you can draw conclusions from there, but there are some plot holes, like how small gap there would be between Return to New York and City at War, and few like that. I think Heretic's theory is realistic, but before Laird completes his Mirage timeline project there won't be a correct answer.

Lanagirl 11-07-2003 03:08 AM

Well, the turtles look much older than 15-16 years old. I'd say- 22-23 at least
And how old is Splinter then? I guess he is Saki's coeval :-?

Jarrah White 11-07-2003 04:09 AM

Splinters the late-Hamato Yoshi's pet in the new series.

Sparvid 11-07-2003 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007
but there are some plot holes, like how small gap there would be between Return to New York and City at War

Doesn't Karai mention this some time during City at War? Like "X years ago you [Leo] slayed Shredder and started this whole thing" or something..?

EZweasel 11-07-2003 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarrah White
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Originally Posted by EZweasel
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Originally Posted by Buslady
Typically 15 for all of them, far as I know.


I like to have them different ages in my fics. How do we know if they were from the same clutch of eggs, same parents, hatched the same time, blah blah blah.... so In my fics I have Raph and Leo both about the same age, 18 and Don 15 Mikey 14. that's the fun of fanfics, you can do whatteevverrrr you wanna

about the whole egg thing. it gets me to thinking maybe one day the turtles can find their mom even though shes only a turtle and wont know them it might be neat i guess.

Gee finding their mother will be extremly difficult, turtles lay their eggs on the beach then abandon their eggs.

donatello is so smart he could find them some way then study their DNA

Karpo_007 11-07-2003 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparvid
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Originally Posted by Karpo_007
but there are some plot holes, like how small gap there would be between Return to New York and City at War

Doesn't Karai mention this some time during City at War? Like "X years ago you [Leo] slayed Shredder and started this whole thing" or something..?

Can't remember, I might check sometime.

Jarrah White 11-07-2003 09:32 PM

If you ask me, the turtles from the old cartoon don't look a day over twelve.


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