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phillytmnt 01-10-2019 04:24 PM
TMNT Shredder in Hell Preview
 
Hey,

I found a preview for Shredder in Hell#1. I apoligize if this has been posted already. It looks amazing! Wow!

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/exclus...dder-in-hell-1

ProphetofGanja 01-10-2019 05:41 PM
Damn, I'm fukkin stoked for this :eek:

ChosenOne 01-10-2019 06:48 PM
My first and most important take-away from this preview is that the Dragon Lord apparently has a counterpart of some sort. The plot thickens.

Damn, all the covers are so freaking gorgeous, but especially the one with 90's Shredder sitting on the throne! :o

And is that Bay!Shredder standing over the fallen Turtles in the last one? (I mean, even though they don't have noses...)

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 01-10-2019 08:55 PM
Man, I love it when Mateus writes... this gonna be good. :tcool:

CyberCubed 01-10-2019 09:02 PM
I really hope this mini lives up to it's potential, it looks really good so far. Artwork is amazing and the story should be good.

Redeemer 01-10-2019 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1788787)
Man, I love it when Mateus writes... this gonna be good. :tcool:
Yes he has greatly help and expanded the lore of TMNT with History of the Foot clan.

Utrommaniac 01-11-2019 04:09 AM
Oh boy, here we go :o !

"Dear dad, please take the dried out corpse of a man I've most definitely had children with hundreds of years ago for you to occupy"
Does the spirit realm have Freudian Psychology?

So! Who's the dude with the green? Tatsuo Takeshi? The Dragon Lord? Who the flip is the Dragon Lord's "counterpart"??? The Phoenix maybe?

Igglet 01-11-2019 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Utrommaniac (Post 1788825)
Oh boy, here we go :o !

"Dear dad, please take the dried out corpse of a man I've most definitely had children with hundreds of years ago for you to occupy"
Does the spirit realm have Freudian Psychology?

So! Who's the dude with the green? Tatsuo Takeshi? The Dragon Lord? Who the flip is the Dragon Lord's "counterpart"??? The Phoenix maybe?
Saki says he's the voice whispering in the back of his head all his life. The voice speaks as if they were the same person. So my guess is that it is Takeshi. Their spirits were separated as Saki died, if that makes any sense? That's my theory anyway.

Panda_Kahn_fan 01-11-2019 09:47 AM
I wonder if this miniseries will see shredder take his place as a warlord of hell, and have the dragon lord return in his headless body.

swing_kinker 01-13-2019 02:03 AM
Santo was saying a while back that there's going to be a lot of Akira influence in this one....I'm hyped.

Utrommaniac 01-16-2019 02:06 AM
Spoiler:
Oh god, I'm so glad this was released back to back with the 20/20 issue, because that left a bitter taste in my mouth for some of the reasons I listed in that thread.


But this first issue alone is going to get Secret History a run for its money. Saki's beginning of an existential crisis, the Savate zombies and other people he killed, whatever that multi-eyed nightmare fuel is, what I'm guessing is going to be the closest thing the "Dark Turtles".

Also, Rat Splinter just riding around on his shoulder and helping him out. And that one page with Shen.


It's going as I kind of thought it would, with Saki realizing how little control he's had over his own life while he was alive and trying to take back what he never had to begin with.

Of course there's no need to talk about how amazing the art was. But this particular time...Splinter looked so silky. "Let me pet" silky. It was nice to see Splinter being an actual source of wisdom and being truly helpful. Maybe that's why he's kind of gone off the rails in the physical realm? Spiritually, he's not all there. The rest of it is back down to actual rat form hanging out with Saki like they're Dante and Virgil. (...Oh, this is just going to be some kind of Dante's Inferno: TMNT Edition, isn't it???)


I'm already giddy to see what's next, because that was quite the note to end on!

In an image...
https://66.media.tumblr.com/3be6984c...rw8miz_540.png

Weapons@theready 01-16-2019 01:14 PM
I’m so upset that my LCS didn’t get this in today

Ninjinister 01-16-2019 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Weapons@theready (Post 1789595)
I’m so upset that my LCS didn’t get this in today
Mine didn't have TMNT 20/20

Toxin45 01-18-2019 07:09 AM
It seems the Shredder in hell mini-series would tie in with the main series.

Ninjinister 01-18-2019 11:33 AM
So is the multi-eyed, tentacled thing the Necro Monster from The Darkness Within?

oldmanwinters 01-18-2019 12:37 PM
https://i.imgur.com/6Hx10bdh.jpg
Art Credit to J Allen Ratz

Utrommaniac 01-18-2019 03:07 PM


Krang in the back though :lol: .

I won't be disappointed if Saki doesn't end up "babysitting" Krang for an issue or two, but that would still be interesting to see.

ChosenOne 01-18-2019 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Utrommaniac (Post 1789896)
I won't be disappointed if Saki doesn't end up "babysitting" Krang for an issue or two, but that would still be interesting to see.
Saki: General? How are you in this place? It's only for the...

Krang: For the dead, Saki, yes. I'm well aware. As it happens, I was on trial for my, ahem, heroism in another dimension and was devoured by a mutant crocodile I'd tortured into insanity for decades.

Saki: (beat) I miss Feudal Japan.

CyberCubed 01-18-2019 04:34 PM
I'd love to read this but can't find it anywhere. Might have to just order it online.

Utrommaniac 01-18-2019 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ChosenOne (Post 1789903)
Saki: General? How are you in this place? It's only for the...

Krang: For the dead, Saki, yes. I'm well aware. As it happens, I was on trial for my, ahem, heroism in another dimension and was devoured by a mutant crocodile I'd tortured into insanity for decades.

Saki: (beat) I miss Feudal Japan.
:lol:

"Now if you'll excuse me, I have some haunting to do"

hypered1 01-19-2019 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Toxin45 (Post 1789825)
It seems the Shredder in hell mini-series would tie in with the main series.
Yeah, it's most likely going to be part of the overall 'City at War' arc.

Utrommaniac 01-19-2019 06:30 PM
Of course it's going to tie in?


All the minis do. When there isn't room in the main story to veer off for a backstory or side story.

Toxin45 01-20-2019 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters (Post 1789869)
Hah Shredder and kitsune are a bickering couple with relationship issues and krang as their child.

neatoman 01-22-2019 09:46 AM
Finally read it. What was the deal with the Shoggoth?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 01-23-2019 04:14 PM
This was great. So much to unpack with Oroku Saki... his (unrequited?) love for Kitsune, the Dragon spirit/lord/god, Hamato Yoshi, that many-eyed monstrosity... also, Saki is more resistant against Splinter's advice than I would have expected! This won't end well. :tgrin:

I don't think I'm the first to guess this, but I'm betting that's the real Splinter in this vision/realm... after he dies in the real world (in an upcoming issue). That's my bet, anyway! Interesting to see where this goes.

Weapons@theready 01-23-2019 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Weapons@theready (Post 1789595)
I’m so upset that my LCS didn’t get this in today
Finally got it in today...so excited to finally read this. Mateus is killing it, and that last page with the Turtles was amazing. Can't wait to see the curves along the journey, but yeah this isn't going to end well.

Toxin45 01-23-2019 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1790566)
This was great. So much to unpack with Oroku Saki... his (unrequited?) love for Kitsune, the Dragon spirit/lord/god, Hamato Yoshi, that many-eyed monstrosity... also, Saki is more resistant against Splinter's advice than I would have expected! This won't end well. :tgrin:

I don't think I'm the first to guess this, but I'm betting that's the real Splinter in this vision/realm... after he dies in the real world (in an upcoming issue). That's my bet, anyway! Interesting to see where this goes.
Kitsune did call him beloved so it wasn't entirely unrequited on some leave but it seems her hatred for humanity outweighed it and spilinter from the future is an uncxepted theory.

LUIS 01-23-2019 11:48 PM
Bought it online, damn was it good, felt short though.

martinitolove 01-24-2019 04:14 PM
It was great! I suppose that the issue is happening in the past, immediately after Shredder was beheaded. The best essence of Splinter followed his friend Saki to the purgatory in order to guide him through hell to heaven. This is the reason for Splinter thinking less with his heart in the "real world" nowdays, becoming head of the foot clan, killing people, distancing himself from his sons. Once their journey is over the best essence will return to the body, Splinter will leave the foot clan and reunite with his sons. At the same time Shredder will be resurected. This will lead into the events of issue 100.

Splinter going to die soon would be a very cheap step for such amazing storytellers that are the IDW crew!

ChosenOne 01-24-2019 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by martinitolove (Post 1790726)
It was great! I suppose that the issue is happening in the past, immediately after Shredder was beheaded. The best essence of Splinter followed his friend Saki to the purgatory in order to guide him through hell to heaven. This is the reason for Splinter thinking less with his heart in the "real world" nowdays, becoming head of the foot clan, killing people, distancing himself from his sons. Once their journey is over the best essence will return to the body, Splinter will leave the foot clan and reunite with his sons. At the same time Shredder will be resurected. This will lead into the events of issue 100.
Interesting... I like that take!

Igglet 01-25-2019 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by martinitolove (Post 1790726)
It was great! I suppose that the issue is happening in the past, immediately after Shredder was beheaded. The best essence of Splinter followed his friend Saki to the purgatory in order to guide him through hell to heaven. This is the reason for Splinter thinking less with his heart in the "real world" nowdays, becoming head of the foot clan, killing people, distancing himself from his sons. Once their journey is over the best essence will return to the body, Splinter will leave the foot clan and reunite with his sons. At the same time Shredder will be resurected. This will lead into the events of issue 100.

Splinter going to die soon would be a very cheap step for such amazing storytellers that are the IDW crew!
I still prefer the idea of a deceased Splinter guiding Saki. Death is, in no way, a cheap step, and if done well it can easily be one of the most powerful storytelling tools. The idea of Splinter getting redemption by guiding his old friend on the right path through the afterlife so he can save the world seems cool to me.

I'm thinking there also might be a possibility that Splinter's spirit sort of transcends time here as well, though I'm not going to ramble about that just yet.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 01-25-2019 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by martinitolove (Post 1790726)
Splinter going to die soon would be a very cheap step for such amazing storytellers that are the IDW crew!
How in the world is that a cheap step?

To date, only TWO versions of TMNT have ever dared to do that: Mirage and, surprisingly, Nick 2012.

Weapons@theready 01-25-2019 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1790829)
How in the world is that a cheap step?

To date, only TWO versions of TMNT have ever dared to do that: Mirage and, surprisingly, Nick 2012.
And Nick did it twice too. I actually loved the first death so much more because Shredder was like “F it...I don’t care if the Earth is destroyed”

martinitolove 01-25-2019 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Weapons@theready (Post 1790833)
And Nick did it twice too. I actually loved the first death so much more because Shredder was like “F it...I don’t care if the Earth is destroyed”
And his second death was unneeded. You don't need a teacher to die in for four teenagers to grow up. Then you must change the name of the property - not "teenage mutant ninja turtles" anymore. I hope IDW keeps that in mind and don't kill Splinter!

Splinter's second death and the whole overmutated Shredder stuff was one of the worst moments of an amazing cartoon series.

One of the best things was Q, I mean Wyrm! :tgrin:

And I re-read Turtles in Time #4 - does anyone think that the executioner looked a lot like Tiger Claw?

Igglet 01-25-2019 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by martinitolove (Post 1790848)
And his second death was unneeded. You don't need a teacher to die in for four teenagers to grow up. Then you must change the name of the property - not "teenage mutant ninja turtles" anymore. I hope IDW keeps that in mind and don't kill Splinter!

Splinter's second death and the whole overmutated Shredder stuff was one of the worst moments of an amazing cartoon series.

One of the best things was Q, I mean Wyrm! :tgrin:

And I re-read Turtles in Time #4 - does anyone think that the executioner looked a lot like Tiger Claw?
They're teenagers, not children. Growing up is a part of being a teenager. Growing more independent and, most importantly, mature. The fact that they're growing up doesn't mean they're somehow no longer teenagers. No, showing more maturity shows that they've grown as characters and keeps the story from getting stagnant and is absolutely a key part of a story that prides itself on continuity. Though I'm not sure if that's what you said, or if it was that the turtles can grow up without their master dying, which I do agree with but I still don't agree with you on death being cheap.

With that in mind, death can also not only serve as an important tool to enhance the story of the turtles, it can also lead to a natural ending of Splinter's story as well. If done right, it can give the story a larger emotional stake and offer the character redemption and closure. Splinter is absolutely my favorite character but even then, if his death is pulled off right and if the story can go on without there being a hole in the place that he used to be in, then I'd love to see it happen. Just my opinion though!

ChosenOne 01-25-2019 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by martinitolove (Post 1790848)
And I re-read Turtles in Time #4 - does anyone think that the executioner looked a lot like Tiger Claw?
He sort of does, but I think he's a mutant walrus, not a tiger.

oldmanwinters 01-25-2019 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by martinitolove (Post 1790848)
Splinter's second death and the whole overmutated Shredder stuff was one of the worst moments of an amazing cartoon series.
Yeah, that series "killed" Splinter off so many times, that when they finally offed him for good, I had already grown numb enough as to think: "better be for real, this time?"

Redeemer 01-25-2019 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters (Post 1790862)
Yeah, that series "killed" Splinter off so many times, that when they finally offed him for good, I had already grown numb enough as to think: "better be for real, this time?"
I actually was shocked and liked the fact that they actually and permanently killed splinter off in the series. They had not done it in the previous cartoons.

Zog The Magnificent 01-25-2019 03:58 PM
I feel like that since the afterlife as depicted here seems to be a place outside of normal time, the Splinter there is indeed dead in the future. My guess is that his death involves Shredder in some way, which is why when asked he doged the question, but he died at peace with himself and has now been put into the afterlife to guide Shredder, which will eventually lead to the situation that results in Splinter's death, completing the circle. Or I could be completely wrong, who knows?

Also, regarding Splinter dying in the Nick cartoon, I thought it was pretty well handled. In my opinion the only real fakeout was the one at the end of Season 3, and we knew that one would be undone due to the whole world dying immediately after. It was just the set up to the whole "set right what once was wrong" plot. When his real death came along, I definitely felt the oomph it was supposed to have. Those are just my thoughts, anyways.

martinitolove 01-28-2019 03:55 PM
Forgot to point out we've got Meerdude or better Meerdudettes in this issue! One point more for IDW. Love you Mateus Santolouco!!!


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