More sexual assault alligations for Bryan Singer
 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ent=edit-promo

Its a long article long story short Singer likes Minors 13-14 year olds.

Bad link. But that's nasty. :(


Is the article this one? https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ak-out/580462/

Skimmed through it... caught Brad Renfro's name. He always did seem slightly...off maybe? Maybe we finally know why. :( God, who else did this guy abuse.

ya that's the same article

What a piece of sh*t.

It's a shame, he's always been pretty good at directing, but apparently he's always been like this. Gross.

I always knew that he had huge coke and crystal meth problems, and that he liked to "party" with guys who were not "quite" of age yet; none of that was ever a secret, but a lot of people assumed or heard that it was consensual, and/or that the kids weren't THAT young. Like I knew he f*cked 16-year olds, which is questionable but "sh*t happens"; I'd never heard about him giving coke and meth to 13-year olds and promising them parts in his movies.

It all makes sense in hindsight, and he's clearly horrible, but man. That's f*cked up.
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This brings me back to a conversation I've had plenty of times, with plenty of people, about "at what price, fortune and glory?" and why ANY parent would ever allow their kid to be in the entertainment industry, knowing that people like this not only exist, but are The Rule and not the exception. I don't and never will have kids, but if I did, no amount of begging would make me let them anywhere near "The Business."

My sister often said that she'd love it if her daughter had "talent", so she could go to Hollywood, get rich and famous, and take care of her forever. I countered that with the fact that almost 100% of child entertainers are raped, abused, given drugs, and are completely ruined by having been in the business, and how could any parent with a conscience abandon their child to that kind of life? It's completely selfish and irresponsible.

"Well, you just have to try and stay involved and hope it doesn't happen." Bullsh*t, it's going to happen. Everyone from Shirley Temple to Alyssa Milano was raped/molested, it's the entire reason Hollywood wants to make so many movies and TV shows starring kids; because they want to f*ck them. It's completely transparent, yet after all these decades people still want to pretend it only happens "sometimes"? Yes, 99% of the time is still, technically, "only sometimes", but for F*CK'S sake, it's not even worth taking a risk.

I don't care if my hypothetical kids hated me for "ruining their dreams". As I've told many people, if my kid ever wanted to be an entertainer, I would sit them down and say, "When you're 18, you can chase whatever dreams you want, but until then, it's my job to keep you safe. Every kid in the entertainment business gets raped and hooked on drugs and I'm absolutely not going to look the other way and let that happen to you. I'm sure you're upset, but when you're older you'll thank me."

People still give me sh*t about that. "They'll hate you! You'd be ruining their lives in a different way!" Good, fine. It's a lot better a kid tells their therapist about their parents who didn't let them run off to Hollywood, rather than about how Bryan Singer raped them and nobody did anything about it. Isn't it? You're their parent, not their friend. Anyone who would let their kids anywhere near the industry knowing predators operate openly and with impunity needs to be locked up too, as far as I'm concerned.

This sh*t is gross.

I couldn't agree more, Leo.

This is disgustingly immoral. I ... just can't fathom why anyone would put children through all of those abuses.

My thoughts are with the victims.

Likewise, I'd be doing the same. Maybe not quite in those raw details, but if they're interested in film or whatever then they can go to college for it. And hopefully develop an appreciation for it as an art form and want to be there for the right reasons. Not "I wanna be rich and famous because I'm stuck on the unrealistic fantasy of it like everyone else."

Though the parents who put their kids in it are probably themselves still stuck on that fantasy...


It's pretty messed up when you find yourself looking through the IMDB filmography of someone like this hoping there are no shared projects with anyone you like in particular... :ohwell: (Luckily no.) Feel bad for Brad Renfro though. Wasn't ever into him, but I do recall him as one of those guys in Bop and similar magazines back in the day when my generation was buying them... Too sad.

I actually credit Singer for being the filmmaker that got me into filmmaking.

When I was younger, I'd watch that first X-Men movie on VHS all the time and after the credits there was a small behind the scenes featurette. It completely captured my imagination and charted the way for my career. Most of his movies I actually love. I mean, not whateverthehell Jack the Giant Slayer was, but still - most of his movies are very well crafted.

To hear all this come out is just... gross.

I mean luckily I'm the kind of guy who can separate art from the artist, but still... I think some jail time is in order.

Lock him up! That fu**!

I had no idea this is how deep the rabbit hole went. So if we crack down on these people with extreme prejudice... would that be the end of Hollywood? Like no more tv shows, series and movies? Possibly no more cartoons either?

Well not everybody interested in those industries is a wannabe child raping monster. Still plenty to keep it rolling. Though maybe trying to clean up it's act might help other more deserving talent get more work opportunities.

That will never happen.

There's too much cronyism, nepotism, and all-around elitism to even consider that option.

It can happen, but it ain't gonna be a lightswitch. Give it another 100 years and we might be somewhere.

Singer still gets to direct Red Sonja even after all this abuse stuff

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...-speak-1178785

You have a very optimistic view of humanity. :lol: It's already been 100 years since The Biz was a thing and we're only now seeing the tiniest sliver of "progress". I figure in another hundred years, we won't have made any progress insofar as rich, powerful people being rapey pedos, BUT, we'll have made a lot of progress towards replacing actors who say "No" with robots.

I mean, the entertainment industry is relatively new. But powerful people using their clout to rape women and kids is a "tradition" that goes back thousands of years.

My late father, a "professional" drug abuser with many decades of "experience" had a saying about people's bad behavior, and especially when they talk about cleaning up their act: "NOBODY gets 'clean', people just get discreet." That's what I've always seen as well.

It could help if we started out by holding people like Singer to the exact same standards we hold "normal" people who are caught (or accused of) doing the same exact thing, but we all know that isn't gonna happen because we think celebrities are heroes, somehow, so I really don't know how we're ever gonna see any real change.

Like many things, it's possible, but collectively we're not interested in making the sacrifices necessary to get us there.
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I love how Singer still gets to direct Red Sonja, and the producer almost word-for-word says, "Bohemian Rhapsody made $800 million dollars, so frankly I don't care if Bryan Singer f*cked an entire junior high school track team, he's good for my bottom line." Gotta admire the f*cking balls, at least. Wow.

This is the sh*t I mean. Sh*t ain't changing.

Here's the thing - it's either be optimistic or be annoyed.

Yes, very little has changed in the industry but look at todays youth culture. Call them Social Justice Warriors if you want but they're extremely vocal and well intended. They're obsessed with change to the point of nausea. To us older cats, sure, it's annoying and eye rolling most of the time because they haven't really honed their voices and seem pretty aimless or overeactionary. But that generation could very well be the bedrock of society moving forward. Never before has a generation been so proactive with change in a time we can all actually hear each other with the advent of the internet.

I don't think we'll hit Demolition Man utopia anytime soon but in 100 years alot of the old guard will have passed on and that'll be about 3 generations worth "be the change" parenting.

So yeah, call me optimistic or, I don't know, Canadian - but that's my two cents.

The problem is that the "civil rights movement" never stopped and has no end point. It just keeps going.

Equal rights for women? Great! Yes! Equal rights for gays? Yeah, sure. Redefine gender into 50 genders? #metoo? Ehhhh...

yep. how crazy is too crazy, just to appear progressive? pretty soon it'll be legal to live your life as a clown 24/7. now that is scary. floppy shoes everywhere.

as for hollywood, they are the biggest hypocrites in the world. you can bet your ass they knew something was going on. and did nothing to stop or stall it. as long as the guy was making them money, everything was awesome.

To be clear, I'm in total agreement with the both of you. I think this is an instance where they (being the SJW "generation") need to cross the line for a while to know where it is. It's all part of finding your voice. Be outraged at everything until you realize what's worth arguing about and what isn't. It's a work in progress, and it's still in its infancy. But there's hope.

So now we shouldn't lock him up?

Hashtags or not, the guys accusing him of doing these things are still part of the present movement of victims finding a voice.

I'm willing to make a one time exception in his case.

On a more hopeful note:

In light of the Bryan Singer allegations, Marvel seems to be delaying (or cancelling) their upcoming X-Men film.

Yeah, it's totally will help all his victims.
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That's even worse. Oof.

I suddenly understand a whole lotta stuff. :lol:

He won't be getting paid or promoted anymore (at least, by Disney).

Considering that movie is most likely hot garbage I don't see how it will make a difference.
And what about other people who had worked on it?

Singer was never signed on for Dark Phoenix we get the directorial debut Simon Kinberg blech

Red Sonja cancelled. Probably.

http://echochamber.online/2019/02/12...pFbBY30YY1ZQeU

Hmm. One of my wife's favorite characters, so that's kind of a bummer. Definitely not a surprise, though.

With a budget that "low" it doesn't sound like it would have aimed very high, anyway. Although it's not like there's a gigantic league of Red Sonja fans. Maybe 10+ years ago when her book was kinda hot. I get that every studio wants its own "Wonder Woman" now but I don't know if they could have done it without coming off like a retread.

Ah well.

Ian McKellen says Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey sexually abused boys because they were closeted.

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/201...le5WItErJNy3Fs

Man, those are some serious accusations.

Also, what website is that? Is it credible?

You want others? It's all over the place now.

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/i...ts-1203153003/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...ay/3026010002/

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/03/ia...et-1202048146/

Ah ok. Sorry for being suspicious, but we live in an era where a lot of misinformation is being spread all over the media, and a lot of that misinformation is by smaller and lesser known media outlets and websites or by places such as Breitbart, so I was wondering if the link you originally shared could be one of those without you knowing it, so I asked just to be sure. Thanks for the links.

It's a controversial opinion, but I've always wondered about that myself. Like ever since I was a kid, I had the theory that part of the reason why priests were always getting caught with little boys was because they were secretly gay, closeted and self-loathing, and since they weren't "allowed" to just Be Gay, they felt compelled to act out on those urges with the only type of males they would be able to silence and control. I'm sure there are other reasons - most of these people were typically abused as kids, themselves, for one thing - but that theory always made sense to me.

Some people find that theory abhorrent, claiming that it demonizes homosexuals, or at least that's what some people tell me, but the way I see it, it really does more to condemn the environment that forces people into the closet. I know that I have no problem with gay people at all; I just feel like a mixture of persecution and mental illness could be to blame, sometimes. I'm sure there's no one singular reason this happens.

I would consider that to be abuse. Demonization from the outset can't be good for a person.

I have a lot of friends in the LGBTQ culture. They really dislike the argument that priests are just frustrated homosexuals acting out in a secretive way. Not because it demonizes homosexuality outright, but because it fails to make the distinction between homosexuality and pedophilia.

There's plenty of gay men out there who grew up oppressed that didn't turn out this way. The circumstances of their upbringing were unfortunate, and their family ties have been severed, but it's not as though they feel the need to prey on children to fulfill their sexual desires.

There's a solid argument to be made that this is a great haven for pedophiles rather than homosexuals. The same goes for instances in other professions where men are left alone with children.

It's alarming how often a school has some dark history involving teachers sexually abusing kids. But it's not like I haven't studied under or met teachers who were either closeted or openly gay. And to date I haven't heard anything of them being predators.

So does it demonize homosexuals? I'd say to an extent. The same extent that if boys weren't allowed to date girls when they were younger, they'd turn into pedophile rapists when they get older. A poor upbringing isn't a recipe for a specific kind of mental illness, just a factor in developing it.

Homosexuality isn't considered a mental illness (anymore (to my knowledge)). Pedophilia, however, is definitely viewed as a psychological issue. And very disturbing and dangerous one at that.

OK, something seems to be wrong with the link, so I'll just assume McKellen's statement doesn't go much deeper than that and that it means "young boys are less likely to out them".

I guess that's possible? But if it was that simple, why not just get male prostitutes who'll likely keep their mouths shut about their clients anyway? I don't see why you have to go after young boys if that's an option.

Mckellen has apologised

https://twitter.com/IanMcKellen/stat...se-comments%2F

I'd imagine he would. That's not a great argument to make, and he seems like a decent guy.

Not anymore! FIRED!

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/fanta...ations-a167125

It's about time.

What took them so long?