It: Chapter Three (or Chapter Zero?)
 

Or they'll probably call it "It Begins." Seems like everyone is keen to do it, and with the roaring box office they'll have to strongly consider it:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/skarsgar...t-possibility/

I think there could be something neat there.

Well, like I'd tell Bill Skarsgård myself: "Ropa inte hej förrän du är över bäcken"

This is really just him expressing an interest, so I'm not really gonna take it seriously. Even if I did, what's left to explore in terms of a meaningful narrative? Anyone who tried to stop Pennywise before just failed and he doesn't exist as of Part 2.

It's arrival on Earth (maybe even a bit before that, when it was still in space), how It took Pennywise's body and form. Like, how much of the human Pennywise is in there, if any. Is It like a symbiote to Pennywise, in some way? What's Pennywise the human's story? Stuff like that is interesting to me. And yeah, it could be set in Derry with the first bunch of kids trying (and yes, failing) to defeat him.

So basically... a big origin story where Pennywise "wins" in the end. That doesn't sound like fun?

Not interested. Interesting, but not interested.

It'll probably happen.

And IT Begins is a damn good title. Too good to pass up. :tlol:

These are my thoughts exactly.

Just do IT.

Nike, is that you?

This is stretching a successful product. Its like making The Hobbit into three movies with bonus material in the third. Yes, I like IT because its not horror per se. I don't like horror. I describe the story as The Goonies grow up and face a hybrid Batman villain Joker/Clayface. There is a lot of characterization also built into the characters.

Pennywise is a demonic entity that feeds off the fear of children, sometimes even literally. It's definitely a horror movie.

Its different though. Its a layered characterization and has a lot of history involved. Its not just a horror story. Its a lot of things which is what draws someone who avoids horror, at least me. The concept, the arcs of Ben and Mike. The cheesy one liners and the history I like to absorb.

I'm less worried about what they'd do in an It prequel... but more worried about them not leaving well enough alone at that point and doing part 4, and 5.

So I didn't really follow that.... It made more sense that Pennywise was some ancient demon and the immobilizing effect when glaring into his mouth is akin to being psychologically overwhelmed in terror by glaring into the depths of hell.

So basically that's all wrong and Pennywise is some kind of ancient alien? What was with the three glowing lights thing?

It's still horror, though. It's like saying I don't like a certain type of music. Maybe in general, but I'll find things I like in that genre here and there.

Horror, when done correctly, is layered. No one is actually scared by a cosmic spider that sucks out people's fear. That's just there because telling a story about how scary growing up is doesn't really carry the same impact.

Mixing the fantastic (in this case, IT) with the mundane (in this case, puberty) is a very effective story telling element.

Apparently in the book he is a shapeshifting alien riding the back of Maturin the turtle and fell to Earth... and took a particular interest in the human Pennywise, so much so that he kept the persona for decades.

I mean, he could be an ancient demon... AND from space. I guess. But he's definitely from space.

Kinda. "Space"/other dimension.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_(character)

- It originated in a void containing and surrounding the Universe—a place referred to in the novel as the "Macroverse" (a concept similar to the later established "Todash Darkness" of the Dark Tower novels).

- It's true form is not precisely what the children actually see. Instead, the natural form of It exists in an inter-dimensional realm referred to by It as the "deadlights". Bill Denbrough comes dangerously close to seeing the deadlights, but successfully defeats It before this happens. The deadlights are never seen, and their true form outside the physical realm is never revealed, only described as writhing, destroying orange lights. Coming face to face with the deadlights drives any living being instantly insane (a common Lovecraftian device).
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So... kinda. "From space" is both accurate and an extreme over-simplification.

Yeah, pretty much what Leo said, although to go a bit deeper, the book described the alien spider as the closest the human mind could come to comprehending its true form. The deadlights were both its eyes and its inner "life-force", so to speak. And Bill's wife DID see them. So did one of the bullies. Both wound up catatonic and/or insane. The nature of its true shape and evil was enough to drive people mad, and it had a corrupting influence on those who lived near it for too long, which explains a lot about why Derry was such a horrible town under the picturesque surface. As for the turtle, that was more a spiritual guide for the kids, mostly based on Bill's imagination and some hints of Hindu mythology. It had nothing to do with the turtle, in fact they were opposed. The turtle was mostly symbolic as a sign of wisdom and perseverance.

Huh. Well I've never read it, so that's a good insight. My only point is that -- and I'm the last guy to say let's mine some sh***y series with a unnecessary prequel -- that seems like pretty fertile ground for one more film. Realized.

I haven't read any Stephen King. But I've read a lot of Lovecraft and that the stuff you guys are explaining in this thread takes a lot of nods from those Lovecraft beats.

Most of my exposure to Stephen King has come from the 90's mini-series they made out of his books for a while, and then of course many of the movies. He must write with the same tropes quite a bit, because in most Stephen King stories there's the rational hero, the religious zealot, and the babbling nut amidst a group that storms, norms and tries to overcome.

Yes, the World Turtle, I believe it was incorporated into Archie's TMNT Adventures too. It was the Yin to Pennywise's Yang. Both were inter-dimensional god-like beings from another reality. A female spider is the physical form of IT, but an orange blinding light is the true form. Tom, Bev's abusive husband saw the light and died of fright after being mentally controlled. The same with Henry Bowers, he was the orange light and was mentally controlled though did not die of freight, but from his ill-fated attack on the Loser's Club as adults. Adora, was also placed in a catatonic state after Tom under mind control abducted her and brought her to IT who then showed it's true form. In the adaptations Tom was not a factor. There were others cacooned with Adora, but were any of them still alive?

What was the point of Beverly killing her father in self-defense? Was it to show she is a strong character and can overcome abuse? Yet she is destined to marry/ have a romantic relationship with someone reminiscent of her father which defeats the idea of her character development.

Well, she never really overcame that as a kid, so continuing the cycle as an adult actually made sense. She didn't fully overcome it until after she left him, finally confronted both her past and the creature, and killed It.

This and other threads make me feel like they should just stop printing books entirely. It's over.

Also known as Maturin and it was never in a TMNT comic. The only such crossovers that exist are fanfictions.

Unless you consider it to be one and the same as the Great Turtle in Mirage.

https://bnc.lt/a/key_live_eifqPbvhIR...6%2F%23details

TMNT Adventures#61. I had a vague memory of it. The same issue that had the morbid foldable of the dead Mutanimals.

I'm surprised SNL or someone hasn't done a skit where Pennywise does return and the Losers have to stop him yet again but like, from the old folks home, lol.

Dang it clown, get off my yard!

Not so. The Great Turtle was indeed in Mirage. I have the story in one of the Classics reprints.



Yes, and it is indeed.



I remember it as well, it was a Donatello-centric story.

It's happening. On HBO Max as a series.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/hbo-max...requel-series/

I can understand a special that goes into It's origin and flashes of periods before the 1st of the film, but I don't see this as a viable series. If we are going by the film version of 1989/2017, this would be 1961 and the first usage of the Pennywise disguise?

It may pick up hundreds of years before 1961. The first landing and so on.

Pre or post-Columbian era?

Not Chapter 3, a prequel.

I'm still betting they call it "It Begins."

Showrunners set:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/it-preq...s-showrunners/

Bill Skarsgard expected to return as Pennywise. Seems a no-brainer.

https://www.screengeek.net/2022/11/1...rsgard-return/

So... no Bill Skaarsgard as Pennywise, largely black cast and it's expected to revolve around race?

Jesus this is dead in the water already ffs

Wtf why? I mean Pennywise kills indiscriminately. It only makes if it centers around that kid's parents that died in the fire? It seems that town has had a racist past.

So... maybe Bill is going to reprise Pennywise in it after all?

https://comicbookmovie.com/the-crow/...gs.07bf.9lham4

I know that I am in the minority, but I preferred the 90's version of the It movie compared to the later ones.

IMO the first part of the new one was perfect. I could rewatch that one all day. The sequel ruined it for me.

It was way too long, and even though I understand they did it because everyone loved the kid actors from the first movie, the movie should have been only about the adults.

Or they could have worked out the scenes in the first one to better flow with what was required in the sequel. If it's one thing I hate are flashbacks to events of a previous movie taking place at times where based on the first movie there was no time where they could have happened.

Then the random 'Ritchie might be gay' subplot that had no pay off. It was there just to be there. Like they had a scene with Pennywise taunting the kid about 'his dirty little secret'. Why? Like it would have sense if now that they're adults, Pennywise blurts out 'btw did you tell your friends you're gay?' to throw him off his game or something. But since it was never brought up in the adult portion, it was a random flashback scene for the sake of it being there.