Vaping leading to deaths
 

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A seventh person has died from "possible" e-cigarette use:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/17/healt...nia/index.html

E-Cigarette bans are already underway in a few states. All of this without any actual proven connection between the deaths and e-cigarettes/vaping and while data is still being gathered.

Where do you guys come down on this?

LOL! -sarcasm- Who would've guessed?

Over the course of my life I've heard hundreds of idiots lie to themselves and others about any given substance. "I only smoke lights". "I only have a few a day." With vaping it was "it's not cigarettes."

I mean, isn't obvious? At least it should be to anyone with half a brain..... if you inhale basically any recreational use material into your lungs then you are eventually going to have a negative respiratory outcome. Hell, even the natural air isn't what it's supposed to be anymore, so what makes anyone think that vaping is "okay"?

But I think it should also be noted that these recent vaping stories do have some similarities to the "Summer of the Shark". I mean - there have to be hundreds of thousands of "vapers" who haven't harmed themselves - yet. I'm just saying this as a counter point. I think it's clear that vaping is a recreation for fools, but in these cases of harm I haven't heard much of anything about interactions (what else was being used), or quantity, etc.

Yup, lungs don't like and were not meant for anything other than oxygen. Frequently inhaling something else into them... no kidding it may cause problems.

Shame if it really is leading to some deaths, though not at all surprised that there may be ill side effects. It's just a damned shame this stuff is so popular with kids. Saw that coming a mile away, that it would get getting kids addicted in reverse, when this crap first came out. And then they made it worse with flavors.

People are free to take their own risks with this junk though, I guess. It just shouldn't have ever been released to the public without proper studies, warnings, etc in place first.


Me personally... It's just another one of those things that I just don't see any real point in bothering with. Just a waste of money and risk of health, so meh, no thanks.

Potheads always use the "weed is harmless while tobacco is evil!" argument. Nothing surprising there. It's sad how a lot of potheads seem to actually believe that hoax.

Although all of these cases seem to be traced back to one bootleg batch of weed oil, or something... and even there, nothing conclusive has come of it.

Me, personally... I wouldn't be surprised if there's a connection. What I'm not too keen on is slapping hard legislation based on only circumstantial evidence before anything conclusive is arrived at. Secondly, I'm not too keen on stuff being taken away from adults just to keep them away from children. I know a lot of ladies in their 20s and 30s that love their disgusting strawberry-watermelon or whatever vape. Even dudes that should lose their man card doing the same.

I tried to vape on two different occasions. Both times (separated by months), I ended up getting something like the flu a day or so later. Could be coincidence... no clue. I smoke cigarettes because they're delicious, though I make no bones that as I approach 40 that probably isn't a sustainable business plan for too much longer and will have to give it up.

That's the intellectual evaluation of the situation, and I completely agree you. I've seen a lot of public policy reactions like this across my life, but I can say that "cancel culture" is more prolific nowadays with the "Millenial Mentality".

We used to call this mentality "absolute thinking", and everyone understood that negative descriptor. But somewhere along the way, millenials took a phony "leadership class" and were taught "leaders buck the trends and stay the course!" and so now in arrogance these people argue everything as if they are making the stand that will change the world. I saw the beginnings of this near the end of college and then later while working at a college.

This gives rise to the political-caterer. A politician who uses the millenial mentality for votes, and they appease the millenial mentalities by employing the political version of modern cancel culture. "Ban it!"

Cancel culture. Power for the powerless individual who has some kind of maladaptive life anger but doesn't actually give a **** about anyone else. Sure, those people can hold their own - when they are in a group wearing masks yammering on about old statues and hitting people from behind. Or yammering on about banning things.

Suffice to say I agree with all of this.

There was another smoking topic but my answer is the same. Why does anyone want to smoke in the first place when it’s proven to cause incurable diseases?

As for vaping, not having concrete evidence means nothing. It’s toxic and that’s the point. It’s not an alternative to cigarettes.

It’s funny, I watch a lot of old game show reruns, and just today during an episode of Password Plus the celebrity guest started smoking in the middle of the game.

I understand it was viewed differently then, it was the 70s, but it seriously took me back for a minute. Right in front the contestants. I’m sure you know they sit face to face. He put it down during turns but come on that couldn’t wait?

Because cigarettes are delicious. And go great with alcohol -- a two-fer!

You could literally ask this about any other unhealthy habit people have, to be fair. :P

But yeah, I tried tobacco before and it was meh. I bought a Marlboro pack and smoke a couple of cigs. The first puff or two are nice and you feel the effect in your head... but then I felt like I was finishing the cigarette out of obligation. Oh, and my hands stank afterwards. Maybe I needed a few more cigs to get addicted, but no thanks. :lol: It's not for me.

I have some catching up to do on this topic. Are people voicing the idea that Vaping could be a scapegoat in this situation?

EDIT: I guess I'll just do my research and come back.

I've met people who only smoke when they're drunk. They say it goes well with being drunk.

But seriously the health risks don’t frighten you? We’re talking about some of the absolute worst diseases.

Ya there’s a lot of unhealthy things you could do. The difference is smoking is literally poisoning your body.

Other things, depending on what it is of course, are fine not as long as they’re done within reason. If the side effects were something tolerable and just inconvenienced you then I could understand indulging.

I don’t drink alcohol either. I’ve tasted beer before and it’s ok I guess but I never desire it. Most I’ve had was half a can on my 21st birthday. I simply do not care for it.

That and I don’t want to get buzzed, drunk or whatever and sick to stomach. I can imagine what a hangover feels like.

I don't smoke, but I do enjoy a glass of wine from time to time. :lol: I don't drink to get drunk, as long as you don't over do it, you should be ok IE, don't get drunk in other words lol.

Drinking not to get drunk?

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A person I knew who was a pack a day smoker suddenly started buying vapes one day from where i work, claiming that he wanted to quit for good and that vaping feels amazing to him.

About two weeks later, he was back to smoking, with the tagline that vaping is "gay, and for girls" lol.

I am not very knowledgable about vaping, nor do I have any interest in the habit, nor am I claiming that it is inherently a good thing, but to me, it seems that perhaps, many of the deaths seemingly caused by vaping could be partially attributable to the fact that many Vapers were once extremely heavy cigarette smokers.

Wonder why the change of heart. Sounds like someone picked on him for it.


Likewise. Was never something I had any interest in or saw the point of. On a rare occasion I'll have one of something, but that's it. Never been drunk and don't care to be. I fully accept that I'm no fun in that department and more of a born "designated driver" type that would rather keep watch over others. Someone's gotta do it. (Oh, hi, unsurprising Leo fan here. lol) Even though other people shirking their own personal responsibility and getting drunk somewhat annoys me, to be honest.


Closest I've had to it, with no alcohol even involved, was after having insomnia and working all day, I came home from work that evening and stupidly had an energy drink with dinner thinking it wouldn't do anything anyhow, since I never really felt like those things did much on the rare occasion I'd had them in the past... then proceeded to once again get no sleep. I had to call out the next day because I couldn't even walk straight, let alone drive. Though I found it a little funny at the moment, I still felt foolish (and lost a day's pay) and that's just not really anything I want to repeat or worse with alcohol.

I've noticed the government is really coming down hard on the vape culture in the last few months. I see anti-vaping commercials on TV everyday, and the local news always runs a story about the dangers of vaping every couple of days. There's a clear organized effort to try and outlaw or hyper-regulate it.

Man, this place is full'a nerds.

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Sure I know you can drink without actually getting drunk and every type varies in severity. I just don’t care to feel the effects either way.

I'm a fan of Johnny Walker Black Label, Crystal Skull Vodka and a variety of wines. If my lady wants Tequilla I'll spend the money on petron because at my age I want alcohol without fumes. Sammy Hagar's Cabo Tequilla is actually pretty good too. I'm an Irish guy and so I like my beer - stouts and red ales are great. I went through a craft beer phase as well but it subsided when I realized that IPA's suck and most people were buying them because it was a fad the likes of Beanie Babies and 90's comics books.

On that note, everyone should check out the Johnny Walker Director's Cut bottles from the Blade Runner 2049 release. A bottle might set you back a few bills now - it was very limited, but it's decent stuff. Alcohol, like cigars, can be a classy endeavor if you learn how to appreciate it and speak to it. I'm a fan of Acid's Kuba Kubas, but only with a punch and not cross cut because you want the pure smoke flavor draw in conjunction with the solid wrapper taste of that particular method of manufacturing.

But there are a lot of kids that go through the virtue signaling "I won't touch it!" phase, and eventually move into drinking PBR for fifty cents a can. You grow out of that too. I've never touched a drug a day in my life though. That's just not my thing.

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You've got to be sh**ting me. Crystal Skull vodka is like skipping the fun drunk and going right to the hangover. The bottle literally advertises "we filter it through vats of crystals".... can anyone tell me the filtering power of crystals? That seems like the opposite of filtering.

But hey, I bought one and met Dan Aykroyd.

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I've dabbled in less than some, but more than many. Nothing crazy. Enough to leave it alone many years ago. Even weed. No thanks, but that messes with everyone differently.

Vices: cigarettes and vodka. That's it.

Sometimes I think that you and I would have a blast at a party, man. LOL! Aykroyd gets around - he shows up at this really unique brew 'n view just outside of Chicago in Naperville, IL called the Hollywood Palms. I haven't had chance to meet him yet though. I hope I do someday.

He recently did a really interesting Joe Rogan. I give Dan credit - Joe was sort of in a mood and kicking his ass a bit, but Dan just hung in there and did his thing. He was pimping the vodka and the crystal thing hard... hahaha he was saying that millenials love that ****... hahahaha. But it is clean, smooth vodka. That's definitely true.

There might be an alcoholic drink I would like the taste of...but it’s alcohol. That ruins it for me because I want to be able to enjoy something without a strict limit and physical risk.

Some of the stuff mentioned is pretty hard stuff. I’ve never tried any but I’ve heard it’s strong and not in a good way, unless that’s how you like it.

I did sample something at a family together awhile back since it was just a sample. I took a very, very small sip. It burned and the flavor wasn’t anything special.

To me alcohol is pointless. It’s not tasty, it impairs your body and judgement and has it’s own serious health risks.

Some'a you f*ckers never even tried Guinness and it shows. Nerds!

I’ll take a Root Beer and pretty much anything fruity...nothing beats a fresh glass of water though :D

Guinness isn't a beer as much as it is some gift from the gods we don't deserve.

Gotta be honest, it sounds like you're ruining it for yourself.
Or at least, talking yourself out of it.

:lol: ;) I can just imagine you sitting there at your monitor sort of exclaiming in this high pitch, yet gravely voice... "Neeerrddss!" Like Ogre from Revenge of the Nerds... hahaahaha. -I do the same thing-

Like I said above, stouts and red ales, baby! Rock Bottom is a corporate brewery - they've got one called "Ragtop Red" and it's amazing. But if I'm buying bottles I'm always happy to find Killian's.


Yup. I've got to periodically remind myself that the anonymity of the internet can hide the fact that sometimes the adult you think you are talking to could actually be some dumb kid, or some maladaptive weirdo, or some functionally autistic person. When you put that in perspective against the posts that deliver those extreme-behaviour-commentaries, it helps raise the tolerance levels a little....

Nerds?? Well I never! Hmph.

But someone has to be sober enough to laugh at the drunks. Glad I wouldn't be the only one in this joint.

I imagine it probably tastes like what jet fuel might :dead:, but that's a pretty awesome bottle though.

He's always got the same motif... baseball cap and big sunglasses. I wish he didn't.

Fairly personable guy though he definitely wanted to move the line along. I got to tell him, "Huge fan of all of your work" and I got the head nod and a "thank you," which is about all you can expect.

Absolutely not, unless he's improved the process in the years since I bought that bottle (which was maybe 8 years ago?). You take two shots and it feels like you accidentally killed a bottle by yourself. Terrible, headache inducing stuff.

You could live the healthiest life of all and wake up tomorrow with a brain tumor. Conversely, you could smoke cigarettes everyday and live to 95.

Life is short.

Nah. Like I said the times I’ve had alcohol I did not even feel like more.

There’s actually some flavored drinks that sound good to me but after seeing they’re alcoholic it turns me off. I can have a flavored soda, juice or whatever without the side effects.

Although I know the effect alcohol has is the reason people drink it in the first place but I do not want to feel those effects.

Ya but there’s no reason to purposely increase the chances. Especially over things you don’t care about to begin with. I don’t drink coffee either. Not over health concerns. I just do not care for it.

I get the appeal of alcohol and smoking but even without the major health risks the effects they have are so off putting. Altering your behavior and smelling bad.

And of course, some people think you're a killjoy if you have no desire to feel those effects.

People having fun without alcohol? Imagine my shock.

I know what you mean, but alcohol is commonly accepted to be a drug as well.

Yes. That's true.

The more people talk, the more I understand why some of 'em have so much time to hawk this place and talk about dolls and cartoons. :trazz:

.......he observed in a completely neutral and non-judgmental fashion. :fshifty:

With no other outlet, it's like.....
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These are the only boards where I use the avatar I have to the left....

Oh, just give in to peer pressure. You really only need one kidney.

And liver... Oh.

-facepalms- Good God, guys, isn't there a world of rationality that you can live in where you enjoy the experience of some of these things within reason? I mean, liver and kidney failure have been brought up unreasonably, "peer pressure" has been cited in the most base of ways, and given the conversation someone actually cited the example that alcohol is classified as a "drug".

I have no objections to anyone who chooses to omit alcohol in their lives for whatever reason. That's the truth - but I really struggle when I see absolute behavior based on heuristic thinking that appears to come from no place higher than a grammar school thought process.

I mean... seriously... some of the stuff I've read in this thread? -facepalms-

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Now I'm waiting for someone to Napoleon Dynamite up and respond "OH YEAH!? What's so funny about kidney failure! It's not a laughing matter and drinking is bad -stomp's foot- so I think it's you that needs to facepalm yourself! SO THERE!"