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Maelxich 09-22-2019 11:26 AM

TMNT Konami Collection possible
 
Konami has recently did the Castlevania collection, Contra Collection, and arcade collections, Arcade 1up is doing the arcade machine meaning they can do ports, why not have a collection of the old Konami games? It could have the nes game, Arcade, Nes arcade since it has some new enemies, Manhattan Protect, Turtles in time, Hyper stone Heist, Snes turtles in time and Snes tournament fighters. If it is like the other collections it could have some neat concept art and behind the scenes interviews. I really like the old games and would really like them to come to modern hardware

IMJ 09-22-2019 04:17 PM

I would absolutely be down with this too. The only obstacle I can think of though, given your examples above, is that the current collections have featured pure Konami properties.

TMNT is an IP licensed by Konami. So putting together a re-release collection of the TMNT games may not be as legally or financially feasible as putting together a Contra or Castlevania collection.

But I would love this. I downloaded the PS3 remaster of Turtles In Time as soon as it was released. I'd buy a collection of TMNT games even though I don't do much gaming anymore.

Maelxich 09-22-2019 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by IMJ (Post 1820066)
I would absolutely be down with this too. The only obstacle I can think of though, given your examples above, is that the current collections have featured pure Konami properties.

TMNT is an IP licensed by Konami. So putting together a re-release collection of the TMNT games may not be as legally or financially feasible as putting together a Contra or Castlevania collection.

But I would love this. I downloaded the PS3 remaster of Turtles In Time as soon as it was released. I'd buy a collection of TMNT games even though I don't do much gaming anymore.

Well I am pretty sure Konami still has the rights to the TMNT games they made, Ubisoft had to ask konami permission to do the remake of turtles in time, and I believe arcade 1up said they had to get konami to agree for their new arcade cabinet. So as long as Viacom and Konami can agree I think this is best time for people to show interest in a collection.

Prowler 09-22-2019 05:22 PM

A TMNT Konami games collection with:

TMNT (Arcade)
TMNT (NES)
TMNT III: Manhatten Project (NES)
Turtles in Time (SNES)
Tournament Fighters (SNES)
The two GBA games

Sure. I'd not mind it. And might as well add a few other titles, plus the Arcade version of Turtle of Time and I guess the Game Boy titles. Maybe even the console versions of the 2k3 games. If it wasn't too expensive it'd be a decent collection to own. Although there's only really 2 TMNT games that I'd call above average games: the first Arcade game and the SNES version of Turtles in Time.And even those are inferior to the best Streets of Rage and Final Fight games, imo.

And like IMJ already said, it would be harder to legally get the ball going. And would it even be worth the investment? None of the TMNT games sold 1M+ copies except for the first ever NES game, which sold very highly due to coming out in 1989 right around the time of the peak of Turtlemania... and the game wasn't that good and was also pretty damn frustrating. So I'm sure that game traumatised a lot of people of playing more Ninja Turtles games. It's BY FAR the most famous TMNT game of all time and 90% of people who grew up with it couldn't beat it or even get past the dam level or the third level. So I don't think that many people will want to revive such experience and people aren't gonna buy a collection of Turtles games just to have the ability to boot up Turtles in Time whenever they want to.

IMJ 09-22-2019 06:04 PM

I would just be happy with a port that simply gave us every time the Turtles appeared in an arcade cabinet; with a toggle option to choose between updated CGi graphics or original, HD-ready pixel-sprites.

DevilSpooky 09-22-2019 07:19 PM

Yeah, we have a better chance of getting something out of WB Games, Konami would have to pay for both the rights for the IP and for the music used on the games, and they only care for Pachinko and mobile crap because of their low investment and huge returns.

So yeah, forget about Konami, unless someone else is willing to fork up the cash those games are as good as gone.

frank_one 09-22-2019 08:25 PM

I would love a remake of Turtles 3: Radical rescue. I know, I'm mad.

Maelxich 09-23-2019 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilSpooky (Post 1820099)
Yeah, we have a better chance of getting something out of WB Games, Konami would have to pay for both the rights for the IP and for the music used on the games, and they only care for Pachinko and mobile crap because of their low investment and huge returns.

So yeah, forget about Konami, unless someone else is willing to fork up the cash those games are as good as gone.

But the arcade 1up collection uses the Konami logo meaning Konami already reaches an agreement with Viacom and arcade 1up to release it, so what I am saying is that they already on board to rerelease their old tmnt games.

IMJ 09-23-2019 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Maelxich (Post 1820155)
But the arcade 1up collection uses the Konami logo meaning Konami already reaches an agreement with Viacom and arcade 1up to release it, so what I am saying is that they already on board to rerelease their old tmnt games.

That's isn't necessarily true. That deal was negotiated for the cabinet distribution. We don't know the extent of the terms. It could be another negotiation entirely for mass distributed collections that would arguable be more lucrative and reach more standard buyers.

The cabinet deal might've actually been easier to do as a special project for the novelty buyer.

Maelxich 09-23-2019 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by IMJ (Post 1820198)
That's isn't necessarily true. That deal was negotiated for the cabinet distribution. We don't know the extent of the terms. It could be another negotiation entirely for mass distributed collections that would arguable be more lucrative and reach more standard buyers.

The cabinet deal might've actually been easier to do as a special project for the novelty buyer.

Oh yeah no, I Guess it is confusing but what I mean is arcade 1up had to talk with Viacom and Konami to get the cabinet made. If Konami sees demand for their tmnt games they might Get interested in negotiating with Viacom to make a tmnt collection. But you very well could be right as well they could just be doing it because it’s a quick buck for them.

My whole point is they already agreed to license their arcade games to arcade 1up and they are doing a lot of their classic game collections so I am just hoping tmnt gets a collection

DevilSpooky 09-23-2019 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Maelxich (Post 1820155)
But the arcade 1up collection uses the Konami logo meaning Konami already reaches an agreement with Viacom and arcade 1up to release it, so what I am saying is that they already on board to rerelease their old tmnt games.

See, that's the thing, the guys at Arcade 1up where the ones to fork up the cash, they payed Viacom for the license and Konami for the games. What you're asking for is for Konami to pay Viacom for the license so they can release a Collection of older games that, and lets be honest here, would give them no cash back.

Like I said, unless someone pays Konami there's no way thay'll be interested on doing it themselves.

IMJ 09-23-2019 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Maelxich (Post 1820211)
If Konami sees demand for their tmnt games they might Get interested in negotiating with Viacom to make a tmnt collection.

You should start one of those online petitions.

I'd sign it. Everyone here probably would too...

Post it on a few video game websites too and once it has a realistic amount of sigs, notify Konami through Twitter!

Cryomancer 09-24-2019 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by frank_one (Post 1820112)
I would love a remake of Turtles 3: Radical rescue. I know, I'm mad.

i really wish this is what wayforward's tmnt game was

IMJ 09-24-2019 12:15 PM

Am I alone in liking the PS3 TMNT (2007 movie) game?

Maybe it came at the right time for me, but I thought the graphics and animation were great, and I really liked the somewhat basic, platformer meets "Final Fight" nature of the game.

I haven't played it since I initially bought and beat it, so maybe I have a rosy colored hindsight, but I thought it was fun. Not a masterpiece, but just a good, fun game.

shihe 09-24-2019 01:00 PM

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Glad this topic came up, because I’m desperate for this collection to happen.
These would be my ideal collection if I had to limit it to 8 games which is the average for these collections.

But if there was a tmnt anniversary collection 2, I would include:
Tmnt 1 (gba)
Tmnt 2 (gba)
Tmnt 3 (DS)
Tmnt 1 (3D)
Tmnt 2 (3D)
Tmnt 3 (3D)
Mutant Melee
Fall of the foot clan
Back to the sewers

Ninjinister 09-27-2019 05:07 PM

There's a handheld console coming out early next year called the Evercade which plays exclusively compilation cartridges. TMNT has been by and far away one of the most heavily requested carts for the system, but obviously some legal finagling would have to happen to get it to work.

Maelxich 09-27-2019 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister (Post 1820758)
There's a handheld console coming out early next year called the Evercade which plays exclusively compilation cartridges. TMNT has been by and far away one of the most heavily requested carts for the system, but obviously some legal finagling would have to happen to get it to work.

Not a fan of portable consoles but it could be cool, I rather have it on ps4 or xbox one

sdp 09-29-2019 07:03 PM

I can see it happening nowadays that collections of licensed games are becoming a thing and TMNT were synonymous with gaming for a long time. A collection would no doubt include the two arcade games, the 3 NES games, The SNES TiT game, Genesis game and if lucky the 3 different versions of hyperstone heist and the Game Boy games.

Sadly I don't think any of the 2k3 era games would make it, not even the easier to port gba games,, a shame since 2007 GBA TMNT game was so awesome.

pferreira 10-10-2019 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by IMJ (Post 1820344)
I haven't played it since I initially bought and beat it, so maybe I have a rosy colored hindsight, but I thought it was fun. Not a masterpiece, but just a good, fun game.

The PC version of that game was crippled by poor controls on keyboard.

The Deadman 10-10-2019 10:01 AM

Konami doesn't have the rights. The only reason why we got Castlevania and Contra collections is because they still own the rights to those games. You could have Konami themselves come out with a giant posterboard that says WE DON'T OWN THE VIDEO GAME RIGHTS TO TMNT and people would still start petitions and this that and the other wanting them to do it.

sdp 10-10-2019 06:32 PM

No one has the rights of tmnt at the moment making it easier, the konami games have been rereleased plenty of times since the games came out and even when other companies had the rights, they just released an arcade with the games. This is without mentioning that we're seeing tons of licensed games nowadays rereleased.

DevilSpooky 10-11-2019 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp (Post 1822241)
No one has the rights of tmnt at the moment making it easier, the konami games have been rereleased plenty of times since the games came out and even when other companies had the rights, they just released an arcade with the games. This is without mentioning that we're seeing tons of licensed games nowadays rereleased.

They still have to pay for it, and current Konami is against wasting money on anything other then Pachinko or mobile crap.

shihe 10-11-2019 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Deadman (Post 1822167)
Konami doesn't have the rights. The only reason why we got Castlevania and Contra collections is because they still own the rights to those games. You could have Konami themselves come out with a giant posterboard that says WE DON'T OWN THE VIDEO GAME RIGHTS TO TMNT and people would still start petitions and this that and the other wanting them to do it.

But what about the arcades? Those are still being made. By another company, yes, but the game inside is still the same one made by Konami.
Since the rights as far as I know are now Nick’s alone (Viacom/Nick) it shouldn’t be that much of a hurdle now that Activision is out of the picture. Right?

The Deadman 10-12-2019 06:51 AM

Id like to think that arcade gaming rights are far different than video game rights.

DevilSpooky 10-12-2019 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by shihe (Post 1822331)
But what about the arcades? Those are still being made. By another company, yes, but the game inside is still the same one made by Konami.
Since the rights as far as I know are now Nick’s alone (Viacom/Nick) it shouldn’t be that much of a hurdle now that Activision is out of the picture. Right?

That's not that hard to understand, they just payed Viacom for the rights to the characters, and Konami to the rights for the game code. If someone does the same but for a collection for the current gen systems it's possible.

Mr._Mutant_Man 10-13-2019 06:41 PM

I'm surprised more deals aren't made between the video game companies and whoever owns these IPs to rerelease the video games. Nostalgia sells. With something like TMNT, I would think it would be profitable to get the rights again.

I think a collection of old Batman games would kick ass too.

TheBlueTurtle1 10-16-2019 01:46 AM

I would love the 2003 tmnt games thet did in the ps2/gamecube period. They were awesome, and the fact they were cel shaded has made them age so well.

pferreira 10-24-2019 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Deadman (Post 1822167)
Konami doesn't have the rights. The only reason why we got Castlevania and Contra collections is because they still own the rights to those games. You could have Konami themselves come out with a giant posterboard that says WE DON'T OWN THE VIDEO GAME RIGHTS TO TMNT and people would still start petitions and this that and the other wanting them to do it.

Unless a wider audience is made aware of these facts, unless it reaches meme status the wider world isn't aware of that.

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Originally Posted by DevilSpooky (Post 1822375)
That's not that hard to understand, they just payed Viacom for the rights to the characters, and Konami to the rights for the game code. If someone does the same but for a collection for the current gen systems it's possible.

It's not that easy. If only it was that easy. They have to get the rights for the music featured in the game as well as any other legal hurdles such as in game licensing like Pizza Hut or whatever. It isn't just as simple as get the rights for the game and the property and wham, compile it into a collection. It takes time and that's the difference between those two Konami collections and Dotemu's Double Dragon Trilogy.

Ninja Tiptup 10-30-2019 04:54 AM

I didn't think a TMNT Konami collection was all that likely and I still don't think it is all that likely but the Arcade 1Up cabinet and release of the Turtles in Time soundtrack gives me a shred of hope that a Konami TMNT game compilation could happen and with the original music included.

It won't be easy to pull off by any stretch but someone may be crazy enough to do it.

Galactus 11-01-2019 01:59 AM

Personally I'd be satisfied with TMNT (NES), TMNT (Arcade), TMNT III: Manhattan Project, TMNT IV: Turtles in Time (SNES) and Tournament Fighters (SNES). I think that's more than doable.

Hyperstone Heist, the Genesis version of Tournament Fighters, the NES coin op, the portable games or anything based on the '03 show would be nice but would just be gravy.


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