Porn drawn by official staff members under anonymous names
 

I was just directed to a bit of non-news. Appearently some artists involved with the show have been drawing Turtlecest porn and uploading it to anonymous accounts. Personally, I don't care much, I just find it chuckleworthy. It's like that old porn comic made by the Archie staff, artists making porn of the stuff they're working on is hardly new. Walt Disney himself fired a few animators for making Mickey Mouse porn.

Anyway I'm not posting any links or even telling what the name of the blogger is, for rather obvious reasons. If you want proof, just PM me.

i find it amazing how crazy some people are getting on this. clearly they haven't looked around much cause theres a ton on the 2003 and 2012 series. hell i've seen doujinshis for sale on ebay.

Er. What.

I mean, it doesn't surprise me that creators of things might draw porn or porn parodies... Humans are never going to stop taking things there. It just better be shared in adult-only spaces.

The part I don't get is the incest part and why it's so appealing, and from people involved in that very kid's show no less. Really, what the hell. I hope said accounts are not on anything those target audience kids might come across, even via Google, because that's kind of messed up.

:lol::lol::lol: Awesome. Porn everywhere. That's the world I wanna live in. That specific kind wouldn't be to my personal tastes but whatever, go nuts. I'm inclined to believe that people are generally either Huge Perverts or Seriously Repressed with very little middle ground, so anything that reinforces the former always makes me laugh. If it's the "official" artists, even more so.

Didn't Curt Swan used to do porn commissions "inspired" by Lois and Clark and Co., or am I thinking of someone else? It was someone prominent from that era.

Anyways, this is funny to me.

Same, but I guess it has to do with how the more taboo something is, the more appealing it is for some people.

I mean, I think I've seen "Frozen" all of once, but thanks to the magic of the Interwebz I've seen Elsa and Anna do all kinds of stuff to each other. I can safely say that never once have I had any sort of moral objection to it. :lol:

If people object to anything about the whole deal in general, I think it should be the ugly manner in which the Turtles themselves are drawn in "Rise". I can't see anyone, even chicks or gay dudes, finding those TMNT attractive enough to fap to, but I guess since I'm not the "audience" I wouldn't really know. :lol:

Like a lot of chicks seem to be attracted to the 2K3 Turtles, and I can kinda see that given the art style of that show. I'unno who'd ever pop a Lady Boner for the "Rise" ones, but again, that's just me.

That doesn't surprise me. Venus, Ninjara, Jennika (is she a sibling? If so, scratch that), and Alopex belong to three comic book universes and two (?) TV shows within the same franchise. Therefore, getting them altogether into the fray might be somewhat problematic.

Like Leo mentioned, the internet tends to desensitize all that venture off-road into stranger territory at their own risk. Another day passes, more images are made, and more opinions will form when said images are posted for all to see.

Don't care that animators draw adult stuff but I do object strongly to incest. That **** is gross and objectionable.

I have to keep reminding myself that the Rise guys aren't biologically related but it doesn't matter. They were raised together as siblings. T-Cest takes a massive smelly dump on the brotherhood bonds of the turtles. I hate it unconditionally.

I wasn't aware that the "Rise" TMNT aren't biologically related, but since they're not I fail to see any inherent "ickiness" to it with those versions of the characters unless someone just plain doesn't like the thought of them being gay/bi in the first place. Maybe that's a semantic point but I feel it's relevant.

Like some people say it'd be creepy for any of them to bang Venus in Next Mutation universe canon, but if they're not related they're not related. That means Game On as far as I'm concerned.

I mean, I guess it could also be logical to me simply because I've known plenty of people who were very close friends "like brothers/like sisters" (while not being related of course) who banged anyway simply because the opportunity was there. Diff'rent Strokes to move the world!

But yeah, it does kind of baffle me why that specific thing is apparently so popular and prominent when it comes to people depicting the TMNT in porn. It shows up in any kind of NSFW search on them regardless of what you're actually searching for, even if you're trying to see them ganging up on April or something, so I've seen more of it than I ever wanted or expected to over the years. I'm pretty jaded, so I can't say it "bothers" me per se, and frankly I hardly even notice it anymore since I'm not looking for it, but I do wonder why it's apparently SO popular.

It's probably as simple as "chicks like to see guys do it as much as guys like to see chicks do it", but that's just what my gut tells me. And even that's probably over-simplifying it greatly.

I gave you a clear reason why t-cest is messed up that has nothing to do with being gay or bi. Hell you could even say that its unprofessional. They are trained fighters all pretty much forced to live together in a sewer. In real life its always advised to not date your co-workers, the same can be said here. In fact its probably worse.



Not TMNT related but the same arguments can apply.

Also your friends who say they were close like brothers/sisters. Normally when people say that its hyperbole. Feeling close to someone isn't the same as actually living under the same roof, and living a giant majority of your youth with someone and being cared for by a parent as if you are brothers/sisters.

Fully agree.

I'm not a big fan of Doxxing. It's kind of cowshit. The kind of cow **** that often comes from people with far too much time on their hands. If you don't like what somebody else is saying/doing - confront them directly. It's how you solve differences. Talking in circles or trying to raise an army of angry people to fight battle for you is weak, and pathetic. Like Calling a moderator. Weak.

If your point is as valid as you feel it is, you will stand your ground, and the other will at worst hear you, and possibly even respect you for being direct.

This is the way.

I'unno man. I think it varies by each individual and their personal values. I do have two friends who didn't live together but spent a ton of time together all through their youth and "practically" grew up together given all the time they spent together. And when they got older they gay-banged. It happens. It's not exactly the same since they didn't grow up in the same house but they still saw each other almost every day and spent a ton of time together, and it still goes to show that it happens. And I don't think it's THAT different. And at the end of the day it's their own personal business.

Also, as a wrestler I have to laugh at the "Don't f*ck your co-workers" thing, since that's ALL THEY DO is f*ck each other. :lol: I'm married so I don't partake, but yeah, when exceptionally fit people spend a lot of time naked around each other they have a habit of eventually f*cking, straight or gay, friends or not, it just "magically" sort of happens.

I'unno. Like I said, I'm extremely jaded due to life experience. As long as nobody's touching kids or killing anybody or making anyone do stuff they don't actively wanna do, I literally don't care what anyone does, it's their business.

I have to admit I do get into "Yes I mad" territory when it comes to these sort of topics. Not enough to try and get this person fired. Its nowhere near worth the effort. But I can't help but scrunch my noise up in disgust. Your example about wrestlers ****ing each other doesn't apply to this situation. They aren't brothers and sisters. ALSO wrestlers can afford to shag each other because whether or not they do has no impact on showmanship in the ring, they're actors. Same for friends who feel like they are like brothers and sisters. It doesn't matter if they see each other every day. They aren't "brothers and sisters".

When I say incest within the team dynamic of tmnt would be a bad thing is because it could obliterate the team dynamic. And within the reality of their universe that's not a good thing considering their lives are on the line.

A lot of this are based in social taboos and constructs but goddamn these taboos exist for a reason.

And also that's still a stupid idea anyway, like is Hollywood healthier because everyone ****s around. Objectively no. Also look at all the claims of pedophilia crawling around that place. This is what you get with being "jaded".

((Shrug)) I'm more of a Libertine in such matters, it would seem.

Be they real or fictional, I'm not gonna cry Foul on what consenting people do. But that's me. Obviously pedophilia is bad but using that as an example of the "slipperly slope" fallacy with regards to sexuality and mores and what's taboo and what isn't or should and shouldn't be, is a little like calling someone "Hitler" to make a point. It's an extreme Hail Mary play, is all.

And these characters are entirely fictional, therefore there are no "taboos" being broken, anyway. They're drawings. :lol: Maybe it'd be different if they were real people, or based on real people, but they're not. They only exist within the confines of peoples' imaginations.

Like no, they're not brothers, either real or symbolically, because they're not even real in the first place. :lol: Alan Moore would have a field day with this topic.

Also, porn as a thing in general is entirely about pushing back against what's "taboo". That's kind of the entire point of it. I don't know why anyone is ever surprised that stuff exists that would make someone go, "Oh my!" That's the entire point of pornography.

It's like when Alan Moore did "Lost Girls" and someone asked him if he'd be bothered by someone dismissing it as pornography; "It shouldn't be 'dismissed' as pornography because it IS pornography. That's entirely the point of it."

I don't suggest you read it, by the way. I have a strong feeling it's not to your taste, just based on this conversation. I only mention it because the entire point of that project was, "It's silly for anyone to get bent out of shape about the hypothetical sex lives of entirely fictional characters that only exist on paper and within the imagination." And it's an opinion I personally strongly agree with.

Let people fap to whatever they please, says I. Others may feel differently but I always kinda wonder why they care. I don't like the idea of Batman and Robin porn, for example, but I don't get all huffy about its existence, I just don't look at it. But I support others' right to choose for themselves what they "entertain" themselves with and not judge them for it. Most people project an air of "normalcy" but you still wouldn't wanna know what they're thinking about when they masturbate. And that's fine.

But again, that's my perspective on it. My humble opinion is that some people are bit too uptight about goofy nonsense like this. Just don't look at it, problem solved. I'unno.

((Shrug))
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Also, how would that wreck the team dynamic? If anything I'd think it would strengthen it. :lol: That's what the novel version of Stephen King's "It" would have me believe. They would'a never found their way out of the sewers if they didn't all run a train on whatsername! :lol: Typically in fiction, banging your teammates only brings you closer together. Unless you're Cyclops and Wolverine with Jean Grey in the middle. And that's only because Scott and Logan are secretly hot for each other but too "macho" to actually go there, otherwise everything would be fine. :trazz:

If you approve of that scene in It then don't you approve of pedophila. An adult wrote preteens performing a gangbang like wtf. In fairly graphic detail no less. If what you said made even a tiny bit of sense they wouldn't have cut that **** out in the movies. Doesn't that invalidate your entire argument. Did you just say pedophilia is bad on one breath then describe a pedophilic scene in a book as "neat-o" in the next.

But pedophilia is a gargantuanly more wrong issue than incest so now I regret bring it up. Forget I brought it up.

Eh its a dumb witch hunt, I think Turtle incest porn is gross but if you don't like it don't watch it and especially don't harass the people who are making your show. This is probably the first time I'm ashamed of the Rise fandom like those animators aren't hurting anybody so why give them grief.


Actually they are biologically related because they have the same father(so at least half brothers)

Well beauty is subjective for example people always talk about how hot the 1985 She Ra characters are but they do nothing for me personally

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They have some of the Baron's dna in them?

If I have ever described ANYthing as "neat-o", ever, then I sincerely apologize. :lol: But I don't think I did. Doesn't sound like me. I say things are "spiffy", not "neat-o". :trazz:

Also, I think you need to pay closer attention to my posts and get better at parsing which parts are sincere and which parts are tongue-in-cheek to make a broader point. It may assist you greatly if we're going to directly interact.

In this case, since it seems you missed the point, I'll explain: You suggested that "teammates knocking boots upsets the team dynamic", and I chose to cite a particularly well-known and ostentatious example of when it helped strengthen the bonds of a "team", rather than hurt it. Sure, I could have just said "Also, just about everyone in the X-Men and/or Justice League", but that wouldn't have been as colorful.

People can argue all day long about the Incest Taboo and that's all well and fair no matter how they feel about it. But to shift the conversation by saying, "Well, teammates having sex ruins the bonds of their team", especially within the confines of fictional stories, is just plain silly and there's very little evidence of it being the case at all. The opposite scenario, at least in fictional stories, is predominantly true.

I mean, Teen Titans was the highest-selling comic book at one point in the 80s, and that team was like Fleetwood Mac, with how everyone was swingin' with everyone else. Didn't hurt their teamwork one bit! :lol:

Anyways, sorry that my deliberately outrageous example in service of proving a point happened to sail over your head. But I'm pretty sure most people knew what I was getting at.

No Splinter's(Or Hamato Yoshi) DNA in fact Draxum thought the the former genes could make great warriors.

You didn't even address what I had to say about your opinions about 'It'. I wasn't even talking about the X-men thing or the romantic dynamics of comic book super heroes. None of whom are relationships of the sexual nature between siblings. So your examples are still...completely off topic and missing the point. Did you completely forget that the issue is incest.

No, I didn't reference any of that because I don't think it's entirely relevant, but if we're going to get hung up on that part of the topic, then sure, we can stay hung up on that. Although it seems to me that you're the only person in this thread taking absolutely anything at all very seriously, and I kind of chuckle at that. But sure, I'll indulge you as best I can.

- True story? I never read "It" in its entirety. It's pretty long. But like anyone else I'm more than aware of That Scene. And once more, I referenced it specifically because it's an Extreme Example To Prove A Point.

- No, I don't agree with pedophilia, but what I also don't agree with is censorship. Stephen King chose to include a scene of minors having sexual relations, which - I hate to break it to you - is a thing that happens a lot. I'm not sure how old the characters in the novel are specifically but the fact is, That Scene is more than likely the most true-to-life thing in the entire book, which is probably why he put it in there, aside from the fact he was probably coked off his tits when he wrote it.

He could have chosen to include it nor not include it, and obviously it was never going to be depicted in live action and that's probably for the best for countless reasons. But I have never once heard anyone imply Stephen King is a pedophile for scripting that scene, and if they do then they're silly. Just because a writer writes something, or a reader reads something, doesn't imply anything more than "This is the story".

That's like saying someone who writes a story that includes rape, is advocating for rape, or saying rape is good. No, that's not at all how it works, sometimes things just happen because they're stories and it's all fake.

- You actually did try to shift the topic away from the Incest Taboo by repeatedly saying, "Well, regardless of whether it's incest, it would hurt the team dynamic". And I said, "Well, no, that's actually not how it works at all," at least that's not how it works in fictional stories with fictional characters. Like TMNT. Or X-Men. Or Teen Titans. It's all fake. The characters aren't real. So it's silly to say, "These fictional characters having fictional sexual relations would in any way affect the dynamic of their fictional team." That's you projecting, nothing more.

- Once more with regard to the Incest Taboo - and I know I'm repeating myself, here - but they're fake, so it doesn't matter in this case. A person who draws porn depicting incest, or a person who chooses to view it, doesn't necessarily advocate for the idea of incest in real life, they're simply having a laugh at the expense of fictional characters. With regard to these characters and this situation, their "brotherly relationship" be it biological or adopted isn't real, their "team dynamic" isn't real. They don't even exist. Words on paper, or lines on paper, say nothing significant about the person who put them there or any person who looks at them. It's all in good fun, nothing more.

Maybe a better example of proving this point is the fact that, if you're a person who peruses certain "adult websites" - and I get the feeling you are not, and that's perfectly fine, but bear with me here - IF you frequent those sites, you'll find that scenes dealing with the "Incest Taboo" is pretty much the most popular subject matter by a wide margin. BUT, just because millions of people fap to fictional scenes about a guy banging his sister, doesn't mean that all or even any of those people acting in the scenes OR watching the scenes actually bang their siblings in real life, or even want to. The actors on the screen are simply playing roles, so although they're real people, their "family relationship" is exactly as fake as those of the TMNT characters. So ultimately, absolutely no harm is being done to anyone.

Because it's not real.

So hopefully that answers whatever questions you may have. So far, I've seen three specific things happening in this thread:
- A bunch of us a having a laugh about something very silly and ultimately inconsequential.
- You not quite grasping the difference between real-life people and fictional characters
- You using those misconceptions to kink-shame people and cast aspersions on their character based on vague assumptions.

I could be wrong about the reasoning behind your points or intentions, and if so then I apologize, that would be me projecting. But just out of curiosity, please answer Yes or No if you'd be kind enough to indulge me: DO you think anyone who goes on "Da 'Hub" and watches two people pretending to be related have sex are criminal deviants? Do you think the actors are also sick and twisted for performing the role? Or, is it all just people goofing around and it doesn't matter because the depiction of "incest" is completely fictional and without repercussion whatsoever?

Like I said, I'm genuinely curious as to what your answer to that is. And keep in mind, it's not a Right Answer/Wrong Answer kinda thing. Whatever you say is "right" because it's how you feel about it. I'm just curious as to what your specific logic is.

Put simply and plain, to hopefully avoid any future misunderstandings, mine is this: Real life incest is questionable, but what fictional characters do isn't. Because they're fictional.

This is also a lot more discussion than I ever thought I'd be having over such a silly, silly topic. :lol: But then again I didn't expect anyone to take the discussion this seriously in the first place. Shows what I know, huh? :trazz:

I now know who you are.

Lol. Thanks. You doxxed yourself.

You're retreating to "it's all fiction" and ignoring the context like everyone who can't stand to have problematic things pointed out to them. Nothing about a little girl getting a train run on her in that scene is true to life. The fact that King actually writes so poetically about something that in real life f*cks with people in ways we still don't understand tells, me he's literally one of the worst writers ever and likely also some kind of closet pedophile on some level.

The Beverly character would need therapy after that. She might not GET therapy but she'd need it. Also the way King writes her, its like she's a tired 38 year old sex slave who for the first time gets to decide when the sex happens, not a barely pubescent little girl.

Obviously not everyone who writes about a subject enjoys that in real life but King literally made child sex a magical f*cking ritual.

No pun intended.

There is literally no world, no universe, where writing that will ever make sense or be morally justifiable.

F*ck you. If you can take cartoons super seriously then so can I.

When it comes to incest portrayal in porn. They are adults so it doesn't matter what they do. Also its porn so it doesn't matter because nothing in it is meant to be taken seriously and it's two consenting adults. My issue is with people who argue strongly that there is nothing wrong with incest. If its for a crappy joke I don't care, but in the case of most T-Cest I've come across, it's played seriously and straight, and that's the crap I have a problem with.

Hahaha, where was all of this "its not real" nonsense when you go on your "back in mah day of 1925" tirades about how TMNT is going in the wrong direction. Yeah it's a cartoon. That doesn't seem to stop you from having very strong objections about literally everything in the modern era of this franchise.

Says the man who hates Rise but can't stay the f*ck out of the subforum. You want to blither on about how this show is bad and then defend incest and pedophilic writng. Holy sh*t.

My final opinion on this is: Incest is disgusting and yes I do snub my nose at people that are into it. But I'm not going to try and end anyone's career over it. Which is something I stated earlier. Can you recall that old man? Do you remember me saying this isn't worth getting people in trouble over? You likely forgot. But guess what. I do have an opinion on the matter, a strong opinion, and this is it.

I think we’ve lost sight of what’s important here. Somebody just said 85 She-ra isn’t hot.

Insanity is a cruel mistress, but woe be upon the man who doth not schwing a solid stiff schlong for the original princess of power.

The animation was too stiff to find anything arousing in that show. :ohwell:

Well, woe upon you then?

Maybe you’re feeling aroused by Rise? Is that it?

No, Too many sharp angles.

Also apparently one of the accused animators wasn't even the artist who drew the art. So the original call out post was not even accurate. It seems like this drama was probably started by some kids. I'm about 80% sure it was kids.

I’m 80% sure one of the accused is a member here.

So there's a ton to unpack there and I'm trying to address your points as well as I can while also being perfectly clear, so this will regrettably be in two parts. Here goes:

You sure speak very definitely about things that YOU feel, specifically, as if they apply universally to all people. Lists are fun, I'll do a List.

- I'm not "retreating" from or into anything, I'm merely stating the Fact that we're specifically discussing fictional characters and not Real People. You keep trying to frame what Is and Isn't taboo by how it would relate to real life, when nobody else in this thread is talking about that. And you're taking the conversation very, VERY seriously and also making it very personal and mean-spirited for absolutely no reason. It's incredibly odd.

- For one thing, for better or worse I've known a few girls who had trains run on them in their teens and pre-teens. I'm not privvy to their personal "therapy" situation since then but I can say they're some of the most well-adjusted people I know and they now have well-adjusted kids of their own. Stop assuming people are so fragile. Not everyone who engages in sexual activity at a young age is thusly "broken". Some are, some are not. Everyone is an individual. Without getting too personal, I can assure you, most people who have sex at a young age still turn out Perfectly Fine. Some people blossom early and some people just like sex and don't wanna wait until they get a permission slip for it. Most people are Just Fine. Some aren't, and that's tragic. But it says a lot about you that you seem to think a teen or pre-teen girl can have a train run on her and that it automatically means she's never gonna have a normal life again. Maybe, maybe not. We know this character damn sure didn't, but again, in the Big Picture of that (fictional) story I think that's the least of what she went through. That wasn't even the worst thing to happen to her that week, or even that DAY.

- Yes, the fictional character in the fictional story MAY have required some Fictional Therapy at a later point in life, and in some cases in real-life as well. But nobody in this thread is even talking about Real People, we are and have only been discussing Fictional Characters, with the sole exception of you (*and me in replying).

- Didn't the books and movies of "It" imply that at multiple times in her life, the character later did just that (get therapy)? And also, I think if Beverly was going to need therapy for anything in her life, it would be less about having a consensual sexual encounter with friends her own age in a situation of extreme duress, and MORE that she'd need therapy because her f*cking father was repeatedly molesting her. Also the murder-clown thing. So yeah, she'd need LOTS of therapy for lots of reasons. But let's be honest, of the three, what's bound to be more traumatic:
A. "My Dad molested and/or raped me as a kid, repeatedly."
B. "Me and my friends were terrorized by a demonic clown and some of them died."
C. "Oh, I also had sex with some of my friends once when we were little, it was weird."

If this were Family Feud, ALL of those answers would be on the board for the Category of "Things You Repress And Later Tell Your Therapist", sure. But Option C would most certainly not be the top answer as polled by our studio audience. You'll have to settle for the runner-up prize, the trip to Maui will not be yours.

- I know for a fact that Stephen King is not to everyone's taste but this is the very first time I've ever heard anyone say flat-out that they think he's a pedophile because of one scene he wrote 40-whatever years ago. :lol: Was he ever investigated? I don't think so, but I'm guessing you think he should have been? That's silly. If you think a writer should be vilified and thrown in jail because they once wrote something squicky, you're silly. I'm sorry.

- Would you apply the same standards to the late V.C. Andrews, another notoriously popular author whose work also famously leans heavily into themes of incest, rape, pedophilia, etc.? Should she have been strung up in the town square, as well? Because that's interesting if so, considering her work is so popular (especially among women) that she's been "writing" more books since she died than she did when she was alive, simply to keep up with the overwhelming demand.

Was she, like King, a monster in your eyes? Should all of her (mostly female) fans be derided and locked away as perverts and pedophiles? Should everyone who ever read "Flowers in the Attic" be on the sex offender registry? What about the people who showered those books with awards and later turned them into movies, plays, and stage productions? Are they all demonic and deviant?

ORRRRRRRRR, are they all just stories and everyone is fine?

These are serious questions I'd like your personal answers to. I'm genuinely interested in your answers, and I won't tell you they're "wrong", but I think you'll find your opinion might just be that of a vast minority. Just sayin'!

(Cont.)

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- You know who also wrote stories dealing with themes such as underage sex, incest, rape, sodomy and so on? Shakespeare, and his contemporaries. BOOM. Lock 'em all up, bunch'a deviant perverts. They had "unacceptable" thoughts in their heads and put those thoughts on paper, guess they're a threat to everyone around them. Best lock those words up, lest they reach innocent virgin eyes and ears. "One of the worst writers ever," am I right? Their tales are "Not morally justifiable" because some of the characters have sex when they're underage, or are related, or whatnot. :lol:

- Best avoid stuff like "Hamlet", or "Oedipus Rex", or any of that stuff. Or even The Bible, for that matter. Lots of squicky, squicky, "Not morally justifiable stuff" in there that nonetheless has been in print for ages and somehow everyone is still Just Fine. We read Oedipus in high school, nobody needed f*cking therapy or a cold damp towel afterwards. Nobody said sh*t. They're stories.

- "F*ck you" wasn't called for or necessary. This is a conversation. Maybe we've had harsh words in the past or not, I don't remember and it's not relevant to Here and Now. We're having a difference of opinion and its clear we disagree, but I'm doing my best to be respectful all the same, a little good-natured razzing aside. But I will say, you're making that difficult.

No need. Relax.

- Show me where I said "There's nothing wrong with incest". My opinions on that are my own. What I actually said was, "I'm less inclined to care what consenting people do as long as I don't have to look at or acknowledge it." If you read that sentence and get "This guy is a big fan of incest" out of it, then that's a problem with your reading comprehension.

Please take my words as they are, and refrain from either reading between the lines for words that aren't there, OR putting your own words in my "mouth". I don't write these little "novels" so that people can misinterpret my thoughts or intentions, I do it so that I am being perfectly clear.

- Also, please refrain from ageist personal attacks that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. :roll: I have no idea how old you are, but people who would know tell me they suppose you're probably not much younger than me. I'm 38. Maybe "ancient" by your perspective, but also old and wise enough to know when someone's taking the low road in a conversation that's not even an argument. You're lashing out at me pretty hard with personal jabs for reasons known only to you, but it's neither called for nor very becoming.

- My opinions as a fan of a cartoon show or franchise are my own and I'm entitled to them, same as anyone else. You may note that I don't harp on the show's quality anywhere near what some do, nor in as mean-spirited a fashion, and in several topics across the entire forum I do my best to urge people to be respectful and read the room, and to not bang on aimlessly about things if it's overly negative. To merely "speak one's piece and move on" if it's in the presence of those who may feel differently. I am not perfect in this but I do my best to be a little better every day.

- You may not know this about me, but I will often argue from a position I don't personally support, simply because no conversation or argument should be one-sided and I believe all points of view on a subject deserve to be heard. It's called "Playing Devil's Advocate", and it used to be a lot more common back before everyone was so insistent that their own point of view was the only correct one.

- On the subject of T-Cest, this is simply one more area in which I'm playing Devil's Advocate. I don't care for (or about) it. It is not for me. But it exists. My position is, "It's not for me, but I won't tell anyone else not to enjoy it." That's all I've said since the conversation started.

- My opinion on "Rise" as a show, again, has nothing to do with this conversation. And again, if you take notes, I do dislike the show but I'm the most quiet about it out of anyone here who holds that opinion. MOST people bang on about it. I don't. If it comes up it comes up. And I'll always defend anyone's right to enjoy or not enjoy whatever they jolly well please. I DO wish there were alternative TMNT content available for fans like me, but again... what does that have to do with THIS conversation? Nothing that I can see.

- More "old man" stuff and personal insults? Someone's dancing on the thin line of getting a Warning if they don't police themselves. C'mon now. Thicken up.

- I've never "defended incest and pedophilic writings". What I DO defend unconditionally, however, is any writer or artist's freedom of individual thought and expression, to create whatever stories or drawings or paintings or statues or whatever else they wish, for any audience they wish, and for other free-thinking individuals to either partake of and/or avoid that content if they so choose.

People write stories or paint pictures about all kinds of "unseemly" things, including but not limited to war, terror, incest, rape, murder, torture, animal cruelty, and so on. All kinds of awful stuff. The thing is, nobody ever to my knowledge forces it down anyone's throats. So consenting adults need only exercise their freedom of choice in deciding what they do and don't want to see. NOT censor everyone else or tell them they're Bad People if they may feel differently about something.

- No, I did not recall you saying those things because everything you say kind of goes against it. You say you don't want anyone to get in trouble or lose a job, but you all but called Stephen King a pedophile. Which means if he's a pedophile then he belongs in prison. You also go so far as to imply that people who look at fictional depictions of fictional characters engaging in fictional incest are warped in some way for doing so. And that may or may not be true, but I don't know who made You nor I the ultimate authority on passing such judgments in the first place. So you really need to dial your shade down a bit.

- It's good that you think Real Incest is bad and have a strong opinion on it. Pretty sure most people here undoubtedly agree with you and nobody has ever said otherwise. But a lot of those same people probably don't care so much about stuff involving people who are... y'know... NOT real. Because that's a totally different conversation entirely.

Which is all I've been trying to say. You're violently and aggressively kink-shaming people either intentionally or otherwise because something that is Obviously Bad In Real Life also sometimes gets depicted in situations involving paper drawings, or put into literature. Which suggest that your line between Fiction and Real Life is blurry. Maybe it isn't, but your words imply that it is. Everyone else here seems pretty clear-cut in their understanding of what The Line is and where it's drawn.

So. Those are MY ultimate thoughts on the subject. To summarize:
- Nobody here supports Real Life Incest (as far as I'm aware)
- Not even if they fap to Fake Incest with Fake Characters
- I don't care about gay Ninja Turtles but others can enjoy it if they choose and God Bless 'Em
- I don't care what anyone faps to as long as they don't ask me to watch.
- I might watch depending on who it is and how nicely they ask
- This entire conversation does not warrant any aggressive outbursts whatsoever. We're talking.

Can't really make it any more clear than that! Please try not to be so snappy at me in the future on topics where we disagree. I'm in a good mood today and perfectly fine with some spirited debate since I have nothing else to do at this moment, but if it gets personal again I might lose my temper and nobody wants that. Thanks in advance!

Unless you tell me that you are a verified psychologist who did an evaluation on your "friends" then I can't take your word on their mental stability. It's not like all problems manifest as drug addictions or self harm.


As for the rest of your bait as f*ck post. You're not worth answering. Your essay long post isn't even worth reading. I've already told you everything you need to know. You're fishing for some kind of extremist answer and you're dumb enough to think I'm going to fall for it. You even have the gall to ask if I believe people should be arrested and strung up? Just for that, one more time, F*ck you. I've already given you my answer. And both times you've ignored it or you lack the ability to read due to being so high off your own self importance.

Also I'll kink shame as much as I want. That's the end of that conversation.

Incest isn't to my taste and I won't go out of my way to read it. But this fandom is so full of T-Cest that when I'm searching for art and fanfiction its virtually everywhere. I have my reasons to find it objectionable, you have your reasons to whine for months on end non stop about Rise being bad. Live and let live, and grow up.

Again, the real issue here, is that She-ra is pretty hot. I mean, she’s no Natasha Henstridge, she’s definitely more Amber Herd, but as cartoons go, she ranks in the top 5 for sure.

Natasha Henstridge just looks like someone's mom.

Time does that to people. Watch Species, you’ll see her in her prime. When people talk about beautiful women, typically, you’re talking about the best years.

I just want to know if any of the OT artists were tempted to do anything with Irma's design...

"Bait as f*ck"? All I did was reply to your various points and accusations in itemized fashion one at a time. I didn't bait you into anything. "Baiting" you into saying something inflammatory or ridiculous apparently wouldn't even be necessary. You came into the thread flaming people over what they may or may not masturbate to, because you personally don't like some of it, and I told you that's silly and why. That's it, that's all.

You project a lot. Like 90% of your function in anything you ever post is projecting, telling other people what they think, what they're "really" saying, and why. Who the f*ck raised you to talk to people that way?

I'm not "fishing" for anything, I'm asking you questions. I'm making a lot of assumptions about your character based on your present behavior, sure, but they're all in my head right now and I just want to know if my mental picture of you as a person is accurate. If I ask a question, it's because I expect an answer, not because I'm playing f*cking games. I didn't have to waste time typing out a response, I did that as a courtesy because I thought - wrongly I guess - that it was an actual conversation and not just you flaming me. BUT, now that I know you're not even going to debate in good faith, well... that's a shame. That all took some time. Hopefully someone with actual reading comprehension will take something valid from all of that, since you choose not to.

I think I know my friends better than you do, champ. Most of them would probably like to have some words with you their own selves if they heard the kinda stuff you're implying about them. I don't think your exaggerated display of fake outrage over the sexual choices they made for themselves in grade school or Junior High would prevent them from giving you a spanking for speaking out of turn. You speak for you, nobody else.

YOU'RE dumb enough to think I won't Report you for unsolicited personal attacks if you keep talking to me like this. I promise you, I am far more petty than you realize. :lol:

Would you like a bigger shovel while you dig your own grave down there? Just asking!

No, it's because you contradict yourself so much that it makes it confusing to actually understand you at times. And I apologize if I've been confused but you muddy your own points quite a bit.

In looking back, I see that you did say that. Okay, good, but you also called Stephen King a pedophile because of One Thing he wrote. So again, it's confusing to know to what extent you feel these people are "creepy" or how mad we should be about it when you keep moving the line back and forth. And then when I ask you to clarify, you just cuss me out.

Again, not nice, mind your manners. This entire conversation was a Gift, you've not to my knowledge ever caught my attention before now. I could be talking to people right now who AREN'T... well, You.

Except I don't do that, though. You're lying. Don't do that. Liars are among the lowest forms of life.

This does help me understand this entire conversation a little better, though. I must have said something bad about "Rise" once, therefore I'm a bad person and everything I say has no merit. Because we disagree about cartoons. That's what I'm going to keep with me the most from this little chat.

You're interesting.

I've... I... you... I....

I've been saying that to you for the past three or four hours!!! Albeit, a lot more nicely than you're being about it.

Wow. WOW.

I have to say, this is the one thing I think I agree with you the most. Sometimes I don't agree with you even a little, but right now? Right Now? Right now you speak with the Wisdom of Solomon, sir.

Also, right now I need a f*cking drink because my faith in humanity is totally shot after this fiasco. :lol:

Man, I hope so! Totally "Librarian Hot". Man, those kind'a chicks'll treat ya right. One shot'a Peppermint Schnapps and that sweater comes off like it's on fire. Dig it. :tgrin:

See, Zarius knows what's up. He knows what's important. That's why he runs this place and I'm merely a f*cking court jester.

Irma? You have a thing for Irma?

Yep. There you go. You have your answer. Nothing else you have to say matters to me. :sleep:

Why you grinding him so hard? The hell is your beef? You have a run in with a drunk uncle? Calm down son, I promise that’s not him.

You’re shadowboxing the past, an the shadow done rope-a-dope’d your as$.

That sounds like a pretty cool poem.

Goan watch some alien sex and beat off. Species is a good film, it’ll cure your depression or what ever. Have a wank and a cry about what ever, and put down the boxed wine. Shid will make you go blind.

I'm not depressed and I actually don't like the taste of alcohol. I've tried it, I can't finish most glasses.