Why the Snyder-cut will disappoint you.
 

Good. You clicked. I mean how could you not, right? How F'n DARE he say anything against Snyder!

So, why am I so confident? It's simple, but I'm going to spoiler tag it, just to give you one last chance, one last opportunity, to avert your eyes, and not be sullied by the dank truth.

Still curious? Okay, but I warn you, it's not an easy truth. Most people won't have thought this through, so you'll have the insider scoop. You will be in the know long before the vast majority of Snyderverse supporters.

You're going to be absolutely, fundamentally, maybe even physically rocked by this.

I was going to drop a few hints earlier, but it might be more impactful as a surprise.

Ok, get hyped. This is clearly far to long of a build up.
Now, no more games, at long last, the reason you read everything up until now.
Here we go. The reason...IS...

:lol:

C'mon , we're all thinking it. :lol:

It can't be more disappointing to me than the Whedon cut.

Basically this.

My expectations aren't super high for what is most likely gonna be an incomplete film, but its ludicrous to think that it's gonna be worse than the Theatrical cut.

Nobody wants to be disappointed, but the hype machine will not allow for that.
Prediction : Game of Thrones Season 8, redux.

The thing that nobody seems to get is that no movie is guaranteed to be good. If you didn't like his previous 2 films, you're most likely not gonna like his Justice League film either. But whether or not it's great isn't the reason for the hype. People just simply want the chance to watch what it was before the studio interfered and changed everything. I just want to see what the f*ck WB robbed us of and if it's great, great, but if it sucks, at least we got to see it. Besides, even if it does suck, it's not like people aren't gonna be clipping the sh*t out of it online like they do BvS and the Batman warehouse fight scene and other spectacular looking shots and sequences.

The hype is always the best part. Look at what happened to Star Wars, both with the Prequels, and the Disneyverse.

You people, you are never, ever, ever, ever satisfied when over-hyped.

Star Wars isn't exactly a good example of overhype ruining an experience. You can't feed people sh*t with flies still flying around it and then say "well you just didn't like it because you were overhyped."

The problem is when things start to leak and those caught in the hype can't resist reading every detail and form an opinion of what they expect the film to be like, then they go see the movie, they know everything that's going on, and it colours their view. The hype's not there, so you have to think more like a critic and not a fanboy.

Oh, you mean like deconstructing an archetype to create a postmodernist tale for today's audience?

“We learned that people don't like seeing their heroes deconstructed.”

Debora Snyder, on course correction for Justice League.

So we both agree it's not overhype?

It's 100% overhype.

Or people know what they like and what they think is sh*t.

My thoughts as well. At the very least, it will be consistant.

Wow, wanna pull my hair next? LOL, it's over hype. the product won't match expectations. It's not possible. It's still the same shittastic film, but there will just be more of it, desaturated, dull. The bones were still there in the theatrical release, and it wasn't great. Basically, it's the same damned book, but it's going to have a few new chapters, and will be published in Helvetica instead of comics sans.

The lip, the redsky, the jokes, sure those were bad, but it wasn't like the film sitting around it was some sort of masterpiece.

Obvious Bait Thread is Obvious.

We're not THIS bored, are we? C'mon.

LOL, OF COURSE i'm pushing the dudes buttons. Self serious people are the best.

But it's true, none the less. You all will feel that horrible deep disappointment. There's no way not to, without, well, some kind of opiate.

Jokes on you buddy. I enjoyed Snyder's trilogy

And I haven't passed out the IQ tests yet. Guess there's no need now.

It's funny that you think you're pushing anyone's buttons. You'd have to be clever to do that.

Yeah, people who speak for others are always the most self-important.

Ah well. Again, Obvious Bait Thread Is Obvious. Also pointless.
We've had at least four "I hate Zack Snyder" threads over the years and they all get locked for being a complete waste of time and only existing in the first place to start fights.

So yeah, good job I guess?

So you do work with the Mods to decide what is and is not acceptable.
Interesting, and so long as it doesn't offend you, it's fine.

I love the veiled threat. That's so sweet.

I don't "work with" anyone and I wasn't threatening you. I was pointing out, these threads serve no purpose, thus are always locked because the fighting is inevitable. It was going on long before you got here.

If you're concerned about repercussions, I'd ask why the bait thread. You did say you were just tweaking people on purpose. Well, those threads get shut down. Not my rule. Do I support the rule? Yes, absolutely. But it's not mine, nor are the decisions about threads being locked and people being Banned. All that happens way, way above me.

Haven't reported anyone, haven't alerted anyone, wasn't planning to, but I'm just saying: Someone will eventually. Because this thread is a sh*t-stirring waste of time.

I, personally, do not, have not, and will never understand why some people want to bait people into arguments. I'd ask you to enlighten me on why you occasionally act like that, despite also being insightful elsewhere, but I get the feeling that we're two very, very different people. So you could explain it, but I probably wouldn't understand it. I don't get the "Tee-hee, I'm gonna annoy someone" thing no matter who does it. I know, I'm bad at being an "Internet Person" because schadenfreude doesn't make me giggle. Can't help it, it's just how I'm wired.

So yeah, not a threat, a prediction based on historical fact. Actual JL movie conversation is happening in its designated thread. This thread is simply flame bait. If me pointing that out upsets you, maybe refrain from posting flame bait? That'd be my suggestion.

It's simple. This is really really really dumb.

It happens over and over again, The Nerds and fansboys get all crazy hyped, then, the watch what ever "thing"They couldn't wait to see, then get all pissey because it didn't measure up to what ever idiotic standard was set for they, and sometimes, by them.

And it's hillarious, when you take the long view and see just how easily manipulated everyone is. It's happening again, and again. I can't name a single "EVENT" film of the last 10 years that hasn't suffered from Hype hangover.

So why do this? Welllll if you actually do LOVE this thing, (I might not, but I get the feeling you all do) Maybe, watch yourselves, on what you expect, or what they feed you, because pretty much everything that was expected to be a success, and for whatever insipid reason didn't meet with expectations, it doesn't just underperform and continue, the crowd becomes a MOB and tries to KILL the brand, often successfully.

So yeah, I'm putting money down 10-1 odds that the hatelash after the fact is gonna be massive, because the tease has been going on for far too long.

10-1 odds.

It needed its own entire thread, and not a one-off "I don't think this thing's gonna match the hype" comment in the designated space for it? Because the latter is acceptable, the former is a transparent bid for attention.

With literally any other movie, someone simply goes into the thread for that movie, and if they think "It's not gonna match the hype", they say that. Then they leave. Then people talk about it. You don't start threads like "Why People Who Loved 'Birds of Prey' Don't Shave Their Legs" or "Why Enjoying 'Thor: Ragnarok' Means You Draw With Crayons" unless you're trying to do damage. That's obvious bait sh*t.

Fundamentally, I agree with you that MOST things don't match their hype, regardless of what they are. That's why I love Spoilers. It's a scientific fact that people enjoy things more when they know exactly what they're getting beforehand (and also, that most people deny this Provably True Fact because they don't want to be lumped into A Group). So you're not altogether wrong: This Thing, like MOST things, has a good chance of disappointing some people if they set their own personal standards too high. Not disagreeing with that theory.

But starting a whole new thread about it is Bait Sh*t. Taking shots at people who have the audacity to say they liked the earlier films is Bait Sh*t.

A person with tact would go into the actual thread for the movie - any movie, doesn't matter - and say "I don't think it's gonna live up to the hype". All This? Like I said... must have been a really slow day.

I don't care what pessimist say. Life is so full of potential to be so negative.

I need love like anyone else, glass house. :lol:

And yeah, it does need its own thread. it's not justice league specific, it's EVERY damned THING.

We're expectant jagg offs, and we are starting to ruin everything.

Again, it's a point I wholeheartedly agree on, fundamentally. I just think the specific way you've framed and presented the conversation with the example you've chosen to lead with can only lead to Very Bad Things based on past precedent in this specific environment.

But you're right, most things are over-hyped and most people are very disappointed when those things don't meet their expectations. And that, by itself, is a discussion worth having. I just think the presentation of the point was needlessly inflammatory on purpose, that's all.

Were I inclined to instigate that conversation, I would have just started a thread about most things in pop-culture being over-hyped, and then used this film as a potential example within the body of the text as a supporting statement rather than the Thread Title (We won't know for sure until it exists as a reality rather than an idea, after all).

I, personally, would not have come out swinging with, "That thing you're looking forward to is gonna suck" and then gear-shifted into saying "But just because That's How Most Things Go". Subtle distinction, maybe, but one that can dictate the entire course of a conversation, just the same. How you lead into a conversation generally dictates how that conversation is gonna go.

As for this movie? I've followed the production of the film(s) closer than anyone here, so I'm Spoiled Rotten. I know exactly what's in it (more or less), and the only way I personally could be let down is if they accidentally left the lens cap on for all of Act III. Might other people's own high expectations let them down? Sure, probably. But like you said... that's true of absolutely everything.

Yeah, except to make a point, where you know, the culprit is also the audience, you need a crazy wacky gimmick. You know about gimmicks right? We all love a good gimmick, cause frank conversation is sooooo boo boo yucky.

I mean cops have always been dicks, racism has been sorta a thing forever, but you only get to burn down your city and destroy personal or public property when theres a symbol to rally around, even when it has almost nothing at all to do wit you.

Anyway, I tap-danced a little, cause like, if they’re not bright enough to know they’re once again heading down the same freaking path, hand holding is required.

So dinner and a show, a little do ya hear me now, and here we are.
And sure, we could have put this whole exchange into the other thread, derailing it and irritating the other members, but I thought, nah, maybe I’ll drop this and those interested in this topic can have a giggity gander.

Dudes with ironic mullets do not get to chastise others about personal decisions.

I probably would have doubled-down on the bait while avoiding citing any specific film title in the Topic, and come up with something like, "Why People Who Avoid Spoilers Like The Plague Are Inevitably Disappointed By Their Own Expectations, And Also, They Deserve It."

That way you get all the joy of making inflammatory (but true) blanket statements about people while still casting a broad enough net so as not to appear as though you're only tweaking "some" people.

Because again, your broad point about people's too-high expectations for any and all entertainment - which is one I strongly agree with - threatens to be overshadowed by the inevitable bickering about the specific film you've chosen to include as the basis for your "thesis". If/When it just becomes another "Snyder Movies Suck"/"No They Don't I Like Them" thread, then your point about expectations in general gets lost in the wind and the whole thing is for naught, anyways.

Your larger point is valid. Your broaching of the topic, however, was clumsy, and threatens to dilute that point entirely. You assume that people will GET your larger point, rather than jump at a chance to bicker about something they've already been bickering about for 5 years. That assumes a lot about the people here, all of it more than most of them deserve, I hate to say.

Nobody's gonna get your point. They're just gonna say "Ohhh! Another Snyder Sucks Thread!" and light another match. Kinda suspect you knew that, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and allow that you were "just" trying to make a broad point in ostentatious fashion. I still don't think it was the best way to present the conversation, but that's me, I've been doing this a while.
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Unprovoked personal attacks aside, it can't be an "ironic" choice if the person actually looks better that way, guy. Good for you on coming out on the winning end of the "Awkward Head-To-Neck Ratio" Sweepstakes, I'm proud of you. God simply doesn't favor all of us so highly.

Also? The cheap shots don't do anything to help your previous case that this wasn't a Bait Thread.

I'll give you a dollar if you man up and say, "I was just bored today and just felt like kicking some sh*t." Honesty is always admirable. You almost had me on the "I was just trying to start a talk" bit, but now you're receding from that. My gut instincts are always correct.

Lemme know how you want that dollar. I have a lot of loose change at the moment, if that suits you. I need paper money for buying weed.

We already have a pretty good idea of what it'll be like from clues dropped when they were originally shooting and things we learned later.

Superman is resurrected in a black suit, but 90% of the movie he is under the control of the bad guys. Everything else structurally is about the same (but not tonally) except for a Darkseid cameo at the end to foreshadow Justice League Part 2, which we know we'll never get so it'll be a cliffhanger we'll never get any resolution for.

I mean, I'll take that over what we got. But it kind of can't be anything but disappointing, by the nature of it.

You're entangling the plots of this one with what was going to be the plot of JL2. JL2 was the "Dark Timeline" stuff with Superman under Darkseid's thrall for part of it. JL1 was only going to foreshadow it again via Cyborg's interfacing with the Mother Boxes.

It's okay, not your fault, the internet does not do a very good job of delineating the various bits of information that have come out. They constantly mix up what was going to be in JL1 and JL2 and they also report a lot of rumors and half-truths as fact, so it's not surprising that people get confused.

But yeah, "Recovery Suit Superman" is in JL1. "Superman Enthralled By the Anti-Life Equation For Half The Movie" was JL2. Just to clarify once and for all.

They might condense bits of it down into one movie now, but that's always how it was supposed to go down.

Look, I honestly just want you to cut your hair. You know the Mullet is just detracting from the whole package. It’s not an attack, its a statement of fact.

Mullets fundamentally undermine credibility. On anybody, anytime, anywhere.
It’s not personal.

Also, yes I am impossibly bored, but also, yes I feel like this hype is just the preshow to the shitshow, and we have only had shitshows. Somebody just said that Infinity war and Endgame were kinda “meh”, which, sure the latter had boring bits, but by contrast to 90’s Captain America, like, what was expected?

Snyder isn’t my flavor, but I’m ok with that. He also isn’t making mindless CW crap, so ok, fine, this is somebody’s favorite thing cool.

But this poisonous hype machine is breaking all the IP’s, like Mario smashing bricks for coins, and we are totally complicit.

No, this will not be the best movie of all time, its a dime piece, but, close your eyes, until the show begins- it might be a great time, so long as you ignore the stretch marks and just let her do her thang.

So I am this bored, that the analogies are all mixed, in a vain attempt to entertain myself instead of watching, literally, the world burn.

You underestimate the amount of money and social status I've gained in my chosen field simply BECAUSE of the hair, sir. Minus that, I'm just another short guy. With it, I get to mingle with the rich and famous. But then, you're not in that particular field, so the nuances of how to navigate it are probably lost on the laymen. You're probably better off anyway.

Don't let your personal hang-ups on others' appearances blind you to the fact that many people only succeed at anything in life because they stand out in a crowd. Sure, I have a big personality, but personality isn't what starts a conversation, looks are.

You're allowed to have an opinion. Meanwhile, hot drunk girls like to fawn over my hair and try to grab my penis. I could give all of that up in exchange for the approval of random strangers I'll never meet, but... nah, I'm in a good place. :lol:

I also spent the dollar I promised you at Walmart. Did you know the game "Upwords" is back?! I didn't! But I sure do now! It's like Scrabble for people who think fourth-dimensionally!

You have Sampson syndrome? Really?

They grab your dick because you are you dude.
But you already knew that.

I'unno, they usually SAY it's the hair. I'm not inclined to think they're lying. Chicks like to run their fingers through it. This is not a new phenomenon. That's why people who sing in bands get laid a lot more than guys who went to law school. The latter enjoy an overall greater degree of life stability but they don't get anywhere near the same quality or quantity of pussy unless they pay for it.

Que Sera Sera, I guess.

Lawyers get plenty. Trust me. Money talks.

Do you think Snyder will put the beard and mullet on Cavil? I have a feeling he will.

Wait, is this the real reason you're so hyped? Did I stumble backwards over the truth?

Alright how do we pivot back to the real issue. The overhype that kills our favorite things.

Here, a peace offering:
https://i.imgur.com/smZN86D.jpg

Happy birthday Jukka.

Is it wise to shiton people, and their excitement, as a way of inoculating them against overhype? Is there a vaccine against the inevitable nerd rage aftermath?