Nickelodeon's Star Trek: Prodigy
 

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So...basically this...

So we're literally going to have five Star Trek shows going on at the same time with at least three different target audiences in mind? I know DS9 started when TNG was winding down and went onfor most of VOY's run but there was still only two shows going on at the same time and all three still had a shared target audience. This is just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks, can you really imagine an STD/LD crossover that also mixes in... Whatever the hell Nickelodeon is going to do?

That last part is something else I need to be clear on. What the hell is Prodigy actually about? All we found out here is that it'll be CGI but no substantial info on the concept. Is it a classic "to boldly go" show? A political drama like DS9? A comedy like LD? Will it take place in the Archer era? The Kirk era? The Picard era? Further in the future?

There's nothing to go on here.

It can't be any worse than that godawful Kirk and Morty bull$hit.

That's why I found myself wondering why the new show is 2D when I thought it was going to be CGI, a different show. Meh, not sure I care about either, I still haven't watched any Discovery.

Man, Star Trek desperately needs a "win." This won't be it.

Even Star Wars has "The Mandalorian." In the cesspool that is Pike (yes, it's a fine cast and the guy is a decent Pike but you KNOW they will just screw it up and further muck up the TOS era), STD season 3 (that will probably have Burnham become captain and valiantly restore the 32nd century Federation amidst LGBTQ rights and crying and screaming, explosions), the Section 31 show no one wants (and probably won't even happen, thankfully), literally the ONLY thing Star Trek fans can look forward to is the off chance not that Picard season 2 will be good, but maybe it won't be as awful as season 1. That's it.

Yeah, about the Discovery being stranded in the 32nd century. It sounds like it would have been decent concept... If horseshit characters nobody likes weren't the center of it. And from the looks of it, the Pike show or the Section 31 show looks like they'll be inheriting the plotlines from STD season 1-2 while the Discovery crew is off doing who gives a dogshit in the far future.

It's like "Sorry for the oxshit story and the catshit characters that were a part of it, we'll have you know that the crappy storyline will have new main characters while the crappy characters will have a new story arc to follow. Because branching garbage is how you fix it!".

I don't care what's happening to Discovery in the future or how Pike will deal with the baggage it left behind. The Rick and Morty style farce coming up is sadly more interesting than this, at least the absurdity there is intentional.

I admit, I want to be proven wrong about STD season 3. Maybe there's something there. Like it's an even older Dax there (we see Trill heavy in the trailer) and a more coherent story. There is absolutely no reason to be optimistic but I will give it a chance.

Part of why I never went more than toe-deep into Trek is being overwhelmed by the sheer volume of content. That feeling began for me in... like, 1993?

The franchise is ten times bigger now and most of what I've seen of what's been coming out in recent years looks awful. This is why although I have an appreciation for Trek, the movies and the Original Series is all I've ever been able to commit to. :ohwell: Part of me is interested in getting more into the "universe" but it seems frustrating and pointless.

I already own and have seen all the films and the Original Series, as well as the original animated series. Hypothetically speaking, if I was curious about getting a little deeper into the franchise but didn't want anymore gray hair, what should I pursue? What's the "Good Trek"? I assume "The Next Generation", and I like the few episodes I've seen with that and I even liked the films, mostly. I'm well aware even as a neophyte that the films do a poor job of representing TNG, I just like the cast and think they elevate the material in the films which would be weak if played by lesser actors.

But anything else? There's like 80 shows I've never seen. Probably not going to ever get into the novels or comics. So what would you say someone like me would think is "Good Trek"? What should I pursue and what's better for me to completely ignore? Seems like "Anything after the year 2000 is Ignore", but anything else you can give me?

Thing is everyone seems to be happy with Discovery and Picard's ratings. As far as Paramount, CBS and anyone who stands to make money out of the Star Trek brand is concerned these are wins.

Yes, they are clearly not for you (and I'm not a huge fan of them for very different reasons than you've stated) but clearly there is an audience for it.

Next Generation season 3 onwards. It's that simple.

Deep Space Nine conceptually means it's harder to simply jump in at any point or skip to the good stuff like you can with the other 90s - 2000s shows but if you can just watch the pilot and a handful of recommended episodes and then skip to season 4 on wards you'll enjoy it.

Voyager all you need to know is that they are stranded so far away from the Federation it will take them a lifetime to get back so you can start anywhere with that show. Most people think it picks up in quality in season 4 with the inclusion of Seven of Nine but you can also start at the beginning, it's a generally a blander show than the ones that preceded it which means (other than Threshold) never reaches the heights or lows of the others...you personally might want to skip on the episode the Rock guest stars.

I concur with the majority of what Galactus said, though I'd start a tad earlier on DS9, like season 2. And pretty much all of Voyager, because a lot of their early interactions with Delta Quadrant races set the stage for the later seasons' conflicts. And It's fun to watch the Doctor's character arc from the beginning.

As for TNG, I DO recommend the pilot Encounter at Farpoint, if only for Q's introduction, and how it sets the tone and premise for the entire series. A few eps from the first two seasons, at least, before diving headfirst into 3. Do a little of your own digging to find the best ones, as I can't recall offhand which wps were in what season anymore. BUT! If you watch ANY episodes at all, make sure The Inner Light is one of them. And All Good Things, DataLore, and Q Who. Hose are some of my personal faves, as well as pretty much any Q episode,but I admit to having a bit of a bias in his favor....

It was far more interesting before Seven joined

I probably should have mentioned that I'm not a Season-Skipper, and if I watch a show it's all of it. Just a personal choice.

Like for example, I'm aware most people hate early TNG, but eh. I'm willing to put up with it. Also - and I can't entirely explain this - but I do have an awkward crush on Tasha Yar so at least there's SOMEthing. :trazz:

But yeah I don't skip around. Never know, I might have more patience for some stuff than other people have. Plus, there's always character stuff to entertain me. I like the cast, a good cast can make me forgive bad writing. Sometimes.

Helps if there's hot chicks. :lol:

The man pays attention! :lol: I hate that guy! :lol:

I'll survive, though. "Get Smart" wasn't a bad movie. I lived. :trazz:

Even supposing that is true, and I have no way of knowing for sure... but even if so, my penis would find the show to be infinitely more interesting AFTER she shows up. And He's The Boss, nah'mean? :lol:


Anyways, thanks, those are kinda what I assumed people would recommend. Sounds like literally anything "modern" is just junk based on everything I've seen, although I don't hate the Abrams movies as much as some. I totally get what's wrong with them but they're not horrible action movies. I had a good time I just don't know when I'd ever watch 'em again.

Early TNG ain't exactly the pits, there's some choice stories in both seasons one and two, many of which have thankfully been acknowledged as such by the fanbase...also it was much darker back then too, an edge that the later seasons somewhat softened a bit.

Well, yeah, if you're watching the boob tube for just...well..that, then that'll have the appeal. Her predecessor Kes only became a hottie mid-way through season three...interestingly, Seven only becomes desirable to look at about a minute after Kes leaves!

I'd say go for the best first.

Deep Space Nine

Then The Next Generation and its movies, then Voyager (because 24th century), then circle back around to Enterprise.

There are definite decent episodes episodes in the first two TNG seasons but I don't think they are necessary to understanding the series. The premise is in the opening titles. I suppose it would be good to understand who Q and Lore are since they crop up later in the series as well as the Traveller.

DS9's first two seasons...I mean they are nowhere near as bad as TNG's (apart from Move Along Home) but it does have some good episodes and ones important to understanding the whole series.

I'd advocate watching The Emissary, Duet, In The Hands of the Prophets, The Homecoming, The Circle, The Siege...man you know what? Screw it just watch the whole thing. The first season may be a chore but as long as someone assures you'll get to the good stuff eventually you'll hold out.

A definite step up in quality yes, but I wouldn't go as far to say it's a complete reinvention of a series.

Hmm, I'd do a poll for favourite Trek series but think for most of you it would be Next Gen, if I did worst it might likely be Discovery (unless the disappointment in Picard runs deep enough for some of you to rate it after that?) So might not be worth it :)

Of the older shows, Deep Space 9 might be my least watched, Voyager not far behind. Watched a proportion of them though.

Oh. OH! Another important thing, please smarten me up on Chicks To Watch Out For.

For example, if I knew about Dr. Crusher I probably would'a watched TNG when it was fresh and now I feel like a f*ckin' idiot. I know everybody talks about Troi but Crusher's a smokin' little pistol, too. What the f*ck, man, I rely on you people to tell me these things in advance!

...My sensibilities may not be the same as some Trek fans, I feel. But rest assured this is an important factor in my process. :lol:

You animal, you. :tlol: Each show has at least one.

T'Pol for Enterprise;
Jadzia and Kira for DS9;
Seven and Torres for VOY;
Troi and Crusher for TNG

I was always a troi, pre fake boob, person.

Crusher to me only looked good in the first episode and last season. the rest a little on the weird side oddly.

as for DS9, Jadzia is the most perfect woman ;o).

No, it's not clear at all if they're happy with the ratings or not because they don't release them. There was a lot of scuttlebutt that STD season 3's finale was re-jiggered to be a series finale, so we'll see. And Picard season 2 was greenlit before season 1 even came out.

Torres, absolutely. But strangely only in her Klingon hair & makeup. I've seen her "normal" and it's... meh. Never had a thing for Seven. Jadzia, sure. T'Pol, absolutely.

Do CBS All Access release the ratings of any of their shows? I'd imagine if they were displeased we wouldn't have gotten a season 2 regardless of when they announced it nor would we be getting a spin off. There's only so much money a company will throw at saving face.

People always forget Hoshi. She was always designed to be the inoffensive cute one but her actress was pretty hot when glammed up. We got a taste of that in the final season with the Mirror Universe Empress Hoshi. I must admit I wished we got another season just for a follow up to that episode. Plus if they wanted to carry on DS9's tradition of making every female character in the mirror universe a promiscuous lesbian I'd have been fine with that.

Also I'd take Roxanne Dawson with or without Klingon makeup but weirdly I'd prefer she keep it on. Then again I always preferred the K'ehlar actress in the make up too.

I also kind of preferred Seven of Nine and Kira in Starfleet uniforms than their cat suits. What is wrong with me I'm sick.

Hey, so is it going to make for amusing headlines when when parents look up "Star Trek cartoon" for their kids and show them Lower Decks instead of Prodigy by accident?

No, not at all.

And if the rumors are true about STD season 3, then we know they've reached the end of it for THAT show.

STP, even if it is hurting ratings-wise, it is cheaper than STD for them to make. Apparently STD season 3 stole a bunch of the budget from STP season 1 (!!!), too... it shows.

Oh, how could I forget Hoshi. Yeah, she was fairly mesmerizing to me.

Right?

Why would CBS All Access (or any other streaming service for that matter) ever release official ratings? It's far easier to tell the public a show is successful if they can't see evidence that it ain't.

We'll see but I can't help but think back to the rumours that Picard had been cancelled and wasn't going to happening


I can appreciate the argument that they want to save face but there's only so much a major corporation is going to throw money at to do it. Three seasons and a spin off sounds like complete overkill.

Why on earth would they continue to pump out that no one watches and make no money?

Never read any such rumors. Particularly because, again... it was "renewed" before it ever aired. There wasn't ever a pocket of time where it could be "cancelled."

STD has no spinoffs, atm. Section 31, if it happens. Seems like its quietly (and fortunately) taken a dirt nap, though. "Strange New Worlds".... eugh... well, we'll see.

I was being more general, not necessarily talking about STD. There are streaming shows out there that never get renewed or fake renewed, but are still being marketed as successful despite only getting the initially ordered episodes.

Who else had no idea that Terry Farrell is married to Adam Nimoy (son of Leonard)?

I didn't but I also don't care enough about the private lives of people I don't know personally to look up something like that. I had no idea that Johnny Depp was married to the chick who played Mera in the Aquaman movie, until someone told me about her abusing him.

You are such a lucky man.

I have a wife, so... I get constant updates on what's going on with famous people whether I give a sh*t or not. And I generally really, really don't. And I make that clear, but... apparently it's a rule that if you're married you gotta put up with that sh*t.

Her: "Oh, man, did you hear _______ got married/divorced/died?"
Me: "Huh. Well, I didn't know 'em."
Her: "You are such an asshole!"

I don't know why "Not Caring About Rich People You Never Met" is a crime, but... apparently if you're married it's a big one. Seems crazy to me!

I mean, I'm curious within reason. If Patrick Stewart suddenly got divorced and married some 20 year-old, I'd probably look up a couple of articles. "Patrick Stewart reveals his favorite book!" kind of stuff, no, I don't care. Jadzia Dax marrying the son of Spock rates, for me.

Janeway is back

I'd argue that Discovery actually made Pike interesting in that Tenavik the Timekeeper episode, with the time crystal on Boreth. But it's not hard to get more interesting than "beep boop" in a wheelchair. :tlol:

That was one episode. But oh, don't worry... if "Strange New Worlds" actually happens (and I kind of doubt it will) it's not like shrieking, crying women are going to go away. Number One will (be forced to) fill that role, probably constantly demeaning him or otherwise displaying how much smarter she is than him.

Agreed, it was only the one episode.

I was really hoping to like Number One (it's RR, how could we not!?) and in the end, she did nothing.

Yeah, she kind of just "pops" into the season, here and there. And the less said about the second batch of "Short Treks" the better... yeesh. In any case she was very misused, though maybe that's a blessing (depending on how they intend to utilize her). Not to advocate more prequel crap, but I was also hoping to see that doctor guy from "The Cage" that was trying to get Pike drunk.

I guess the nice thing about this show is that, because it'll air on a children's network like Nickelodeon instead of being put on a subscription service, is that it won't end being... Well... Like this...



Sadly I didn't find a clip of the species re-assignment surgery from STD and the LD clip is forgiveable given the context but you get the idea. No excessive, frequent gore in a kids' cartoon.

Some character descriptions surfaced. The weird thing is that since all of these are adults and the main characters are confirmed to be kids, they are clearly not about the main characters. Weird to have the supporting characters described but not the main cast, huh?

https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2020/...gy-characters/

Doctor Torgo? Seriously?