Rise Official Episode Discussion S2 EP12 & EP13
 

Mid Series final or Series final, who knows? But I expect this will be very good.

Finale Part 1: E-Turtle Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
The Turtles must enter Splinter's mind when a powerful foe returns.

Finale Part 2: Shreddy or Not
The turtles find a new ally when they meet Splinter's distant relative.

Finale Part 3: Anatawa Hitorijanai/Finale Part 4: Rise
In a bid to save New York and The Hidden City, the Turtles prepare for their greatest battle yet.

that was epic. so many twists and Easter eggs....

See, it's not without some complaints, esp the nonsense parts that seem to be wasting time when the episodes are this short, but if more of the series had been more like this (maybe without the over-hyper, wtf is even happening, stuff) it might have lasted longer.

wow they really made **** this stupid show. Glad its probably cancelled now

Literally the dumbest complaint I've seen about this show since people bitched about April being black.

Foot Recruit being Casey is the one series change I am at least iffy on, although I guess her being Karai would have been too obvious.Wonder what quote I should add to my signature.....:lol:

This finale is good if it a bit rushed you can tell that the writers knew they had less episodes that was predicted but it was still a good finale. The show continues to take advantage of its small runtime because the 11 min with Yoshi's backstory has been on of the more heartfelt moments in TMNT history(much better than 12's Tales of the Yokai). The relationship with Karai and the turtles was really adorable and I love how they refer to her as "Gram Gram" and the team fighting Shredder to save her was both stylish and tragic in a why. Draxum's character arc is still one of my favorite things in this series and I do enjoy his journey from the main antagonist of season 1 to not only an ally of season 2 but being part of the family going as far as to call the turtles his sons. April having Karai's spirit was a bit iffy but I say they it was executed well and I love the "Trust you like you Trust us" line. The last episode is just balls to the wall action and I love how we get an upgrade of everyone's powers, Leo teleport like Nightcrawler, Raph can creates Shadow Clones, April has a stand, Mikey has giant chain, and my Boi Donnie using the bigass drill. It all combines into a final team attack where every Hamato past and present finally defeats Shredder. So 8/10 finale I would rank the episodes in order

1
4
2
3

Sad thing is that she is the second best Casey in the 2010s.

Sad thing is that she is the best April of the 2010s.

12 wasted even more time but that show lasted for over a 100 episodes so I doubt that's the reason.

[SPOILER]So Turtle points go to those who called certain things. Particularly Foot Recruit being Casey and Leo being made leader at literately the vary last second (of course).

She's literally the only family he's known also all of them had an attachment to her.

You know what "overpowered" means right because I don't know if you didn't notice but almost every character has anime superpowers so its more like having her "powered" its not like in the 12 version where she is the only character with Psychic powers.




Umm the family aspect has been here since the beginning of the series and was the reason for Baron Draxum's Heel-Face turn.

Yay you can finally stop obsessively arguing any point people make or opinion/view they have that you don't agree with; there's a plus.

You're awesome when you're cranky and up way too late. :lol:

As always, my feedback is as follows: everything was awesome except April.

I legit laughed for like a minute straight at the end gag. Holy hell.

REALLY solid set of finale episodes. I'm going to miss this show dearly. We kinda got to see what it was like if Studio Trigger did TMNT, & it was glorious.

Thanks for all the fun, Rise! You burned twice as bright & half as long. God speed.

I know right... It's what happens when you and a friend finally give up on a game and of course you gotta' check the 'Drome before going to bed, so then you're still up for at least another hour despite the need-sleep headache setting in.

I feel you, dawg.

I mean, at least you have good reasons. Mine are usually alcohol and/or Mary Jane inspired.

Wait. Those are very good reasons. Disregard!

Does everything still need to be in spoiler quotes? It aired right? Boy am I dissapointed, why you ask? Leo being flipping made leader at the last second with no season three this in my opinion hurts. I mean sure we had little hints here and their of his leadership abilities but would have liked it expanded on in the final. I mean I would have liked an explanation why Splinter felt to switch the leadership role to Leo, that must have been a slap to Raph's after what just happened.

Than Karai keeps getting weird twists and turns, in the 2012 series she was the turtles step sister now she's the turtles granny Boy Nick studios hate Leo x Karai shippers. It started off cute in the 2012 series than got confusing as the series went on.

Last but certainly not least the foot solider being given the name Casey. It would have made more sense if this version was Karai more since she used a sword and fought against Leo the most.

The action was great and so was the animation. It also had a lot of emotion in it, you could tell the staff tried here a lot at least.

Over all it was ok, it some what left a bad taste in my mouth due to how it ended. Had we gotten a third season to expand on things but oh well.

With any luck maybe you'll at least get the leader wish with the Netflix movie instead?

I agree and felt the same way that there was just nothing in these episodes that actually lead up to or explained why Splinter would suddenly make Leo the leader. I really expected that there would be, that something would happen and Leo would step up and show he has what it takes, and was disappointed that it never went there when the "Blue you're the leader" line happened.

Did anyone see Raph's face at that statement? I only caught Leo's reaction.

I had you in mind when I read the spoilers.:lol: I knew this show was going to make "Leo becoming the leader" non-meaningful. I called it!

Thoughts on the finale in full
It was....fine, I honestly expected a lot more, it all felt really really rushed
For example stuff like Karai and Splinters mom and dad came out of absolute nowhere and we had to sit there in a wave of exposition
as usual, animation was stellar, liked the chemistry everyone had with each other, the Turtles treating Karai like a grandma was cute
And I love, love, LOVE the shredder in this series so much
Looking back I just really wish this show got in its main plot a lot earlier and stopped wasting time with Lemmings and Wrestling Matches....jeez Season 1 was rough at first :P
and that ENDING :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Random thoughts:
Is Casey really a Cassandra nickname? I dont think I heard that before
What was with those Krang/Ultrom(?) Easter Eggs that went nowhere?Cmon gimme the BRAIN
all in all the series was....alright. Let?s wait and see if that movies any good
But no, seriously, what was with the Krang, Iwanthimiwanthimiwanthimiwanthim

He's probably salty his last cheque from Nick to shill this s*ite came in and no more are coming.

I honestly think Nick spent all of their shill/plant budget on the official TMNT FB page. :lol: They're workin' overtime, over there! Just deleting all the negative comments probably keeps them busy around the clock. Doubly so with all the "It's for kids, why do you even care" comments dropped in reply to those negative posts, hyper-defensive replies left without irony by ostensibly other grown-ups who I'm sure weren't paid to say that, no sir.

I dare say Nick may finally have given up on this place entirely. I can believe anyone who shows enthusiasm for "Rise" here is sincere, by this point.

I mean, people buy Phish records. People watch golf on TV. People do all kinds'a crazy stuff.

really good final but bit rushed but obviously couldn't be helped as the season was cut short.

Hoon Lee voiced Shredder
Foot recruit is actually a female Casey Jones
Karai and Shredder are Splinter's ancestor loved that the turtles called Karai Gram Gram.
I see a Krang has popped up.
Had some heartbreaking moments
Good fight scenes.

Nothing dumb about it. Blatant woke box-ticking. And what a surprise, the show's now broke.

Are you happy with how things went than?

Yeah, race-flipping and gender-flipping is 100% pandering garbage. Shouldn't be tolerated, let alone celebrated.

They made the white chick a black chick and made the dude into a chick... all so that when the show failed, they'd have a card to pull out of their pocket and say "Y'all are just bigoted!" :roll:

That's what they call you when you're just plain allergic to dumb ideas. "Bigoted". A tidy little catch-all defense that forever shields you from any and all criticism and makes people dismiss your dissenting opinion by default, because after all, "Who'd side with a bigot?"

The Checklist needs to f*cking go.

Well... First they make Karai Shredder's adopted daughter, then they made her his biological (X-whatever great) granddaughter, then they made her Splinter's biologicial daughter while keeping the Shredder's adopted daughter thing, now we have Shredder as her biological father and her as Splinter's biological grandmother.

Gee, what's next? Making Casey Karai's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate?

Just finished watching this on Itunes.

Wow, I mean this was exciting.

Tad rushed on some reveals but still, I enjoyed how it all turned out.
Hoon Lee returns now as the Shredder's voice. The irony. But I will say he has a set of pipes on him with all the screaming he did.

Guess my prediction of Foot Recruit being Angel was wrong.
Noticed a lot of Gurren Lagann references, even when Shredder pretty much resembled the Anti-Spiral at the end.

Would have been nice to see a somewhat epilogue of all the characters. Like having Splinter meeting Big Mama one last time. Maybe hugin and munin reuniting with Draxum. Perhaps Foot Recruit (Casey) joins a hockey league and starting a new life.

Also, I got some flashbacks to IDW's "Secret History of the Foot Clan" when they mentioned the Oni pretty much resembled a Utrom that oroku made a deal with.

But I will say this has been a fun ride. Compared to the other three animated series, it's the weakest to me but I still had some fun watching this show.

BUT BRO IT'S SO DIFFERENT! You're just not considering how New and Different it all is because the Different Newness of it all is so overwhelming to you on account of your brain is hardwired against such New and Different things!

It's like you get used to eating steak every night. But one day, you want something different, so instead of steak, you eat fingernails! And it's GREAT, because at least it's f*cking Different, bro!!!

I mean, you never saw any of it it coming, right? Sooooo subversive! Like ordering a pizza and the guy walks up and hits you in the face with a rubber chicken. It's even BETTER than the pizza because bro, you totally were NOT expecting that!

You just don't like change, that's all that is. You're so in love with FW that you can't handle anything that isn't that! That's literally the only reason anyone could ever hate this show, bro. You just miss Bebop. You f*cker.

I stopped watching the show at some point within the first season. But no, that's not how I would've wanted it but I said to you and others before to not get your hopes up for how it was going to be handled. I don't know what else to tell you if you wanted to believe otherwise.

Thought the finale was absolutely outstanding. It's a real shame Nick (and set-in-their-ways TMNT fans) never gave this show a goddamn chance. Seeing it die like this is painful, but at least it didn't get dragged out past all levels of decent quality like 2012 did imo.

Looking forward to the movie!

Yeah that's totally it. I didn't give this show a chance.:roll:

How DARE people who like TMNT, not devote themselves wholeheartedly to something that bears only the most passing resemblance at all to "TMNT". If you squint. And then just plain close your eyes and make believe because even squinting doesn't present the illusion that there's anything in common.

I mean, they're drawn totally wrong, and the personalities are all wrong, and everyone's got a totally different and nonsensical backstory, and the white people are black and the dudes are now chicks, and it's really less "TMNT" and more "Bugs Bunny in Greenface"...

BUT aside from ALL THAT it's exactly the same! :lol:

Yeah, it's so incredibly weird that people would get so mad that it literally has nothing to do with "TMNT" aside from the name. Why should people get so hung up on petty little things like "literally everything"? :lol:

Hey, man, you're totally allowed to not like a thing. I respect if it wasn't for you. That doesn't mean:

a) thing is objectively bad
b) thing should be trashtalked at every possible opportunity and actively petitioned for cancellation by "real fans"
c) people who like it aren't "real" fans
d) thing should immediately go away because you personally don't like it

The TMNT fandom isn't a monolith. There are versions of turtles out there for everyone. I'm sorry this one didn't tickle your fancy but the level of spite and vitriol I've seen thrown at the show was utterly undeserved. Maybe redirect the spite at Nickelodeon who are stuck in the ancient ways of "only one major cartoon at a time and must be for kids only".

Fixed for you

Ah, so you're allowed an opinion but other fans who don't like exactly the same things you do aren't? Got it. Makes total sense.

Hey, I can get behind this. I've been saying since Day One, I could easily just ignore Rise's entire existence and keep most of my pith to myself if it weren't the thing carrying the "torch" for the entire goddamn franchise.

As its own thing, it's merely a joke, a drunken one night stand to be alternately mortified by and laughing about later on. But as "Keeper of the Flame"? The current "standard" for the brand? Not acceptable.

Put a "real" TMNT show on the air running concurrently, there's no problem at all with Rise existing. "Turtle Tunes" was terrible. "Turtle Tunes" wasn't the ONLY goddamn TMNT product we were "allowed" to have outside of comics that nobody reads, so by default it's not AS "bad" because it was a thing that could easily be ignored. Not so much, here.

*Shrug*

Personally when a variant of TMNT is on that doesn't do it for me, I just go back to the versions that do and let people who do enjoy it get on with it. There's a massive amount of content out there - what can really be considered to be 'carrying the torch' in a franchise with over 30 years of content across so many different mediums?

I also like seeing creators being given scope to play with the concept. I had a lot of fun with those summer shorts Nick put out during 2012's run, for example. There are some talented people out there with great fresh ideas. AUs are pretty much canon in the turtleverse anyway. I do think Rise would have been better accepted as a fixed-length high concept piece on Netflix as opposed to trying to cram it into a traditional cartoon show format on Nick, though.

I still say more fans need to find their Leo zen, though. I get being so interested in turtles that this stuff matters, but I can't get behind the toxic gatekeeping. It's unnecessary. Turtles forever :)

Honestly, with stuff like Batman: Gotham By Gaslight or the Batman Unlimited films, maybe that wouldn't have been such a bad idea.*shrugs*

To clarify: By "carrying the torch", I mean "The current mainstream product that for better or worse is representing the TMNT brand to the entire world." The "face" of the franchise at any given time.

For the last couple years, there's been "Rise" and a comic book that only a few people read, and nothing else. That means "Rise" is the brand's "representative" on the global stage. And that's not exactly putting one's best foot forward.

They could and should be putting their resources towards better projects, but as I've said, it's Nickelodeon, anything they do will be blech. So it's whatever, but "Rise" would be a less-bitter pill if people had ANY other options for TMNT media outside of watching the 1990 film for the hundredth time.

It's unfair that the majority are left only with This, That, or Nothing as choices.

Ohh, thank you, I thought I'd caught that but parts of this show are so rushed I really wasn't 100% sure I saw a Krang/an Utrom, as a skeleton, then forgot about it.

Though in that moment that fleeting image and hundreds of years-old great grandma Karai (and Saki) made me feel like they should have made this a new set of Turtles existing in the future. (Dammit, now I want that to be a thing, with Draxum using preserved DNA of a previous TMNT to create this set.)

Who knows, maybe the Krang cameo will turn out to be a hint related to the Netflix movie.



edit: So what exactly happened to all of the Foot members? Am I forgetting a moment where they all defected or were lost? Last I recall them they were seen helping move cargo onto Big Mama's train, right?

Let's see if I can get the timeline straight here:

• At some point in the past, probably before humans ever set foot on the American continent, an Utrom dies in Manhattan and Ooze he carried with him leaks out.
• The ooze creates the Yokai who build their underground city.
• At some later point, another Utrom gives Oroku Saki the Shredder armor and he goes on to commit atrocities.
• His daughter Karai goes on to seal him away and her family makes sure he stays sealed.
• Hundreds of years pass and Hamato Yoshi becomes a movie star.
• Baron Draxum uses the ooze for mutation experiments and abducts Yoshi for this, mutating him and the turtles.

That's it right?

And again idefeated the turtes! Now wait for the next series where this time i will be human again like in 2012. I beat them a lot! They will pay for what they did to me!

Anyone have an image of the gender flipped Casey? I'm curious.