Green Lantern (HBO Max)
 

HBO Max greenlight a ten episode run of Green Lantern from Berlanti Productions, with Seth Grahame-Smith and Marc Guggenheim attached as writers. Smith will be showrunner



https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/gre...max-1234798860

ugh not Marc Guggenheim he nearly Ruined arrow with his **** writing and catering to the Olicity crowd.

Hoping its Hal and John Stewart

Deadline confirms the line up includes:

Guy Gardner
Simon Baz
Jessica Cruz
Alan Scott

https://deadline.com/2020/10/seth-gr...ax-1234594615/

guess they wanna save Hal and John for the movie universe

Alan Scott — Earth’s first Green Lantern, who, true to the comics, is a gay man representation check

Also because for some reason Guggenheim hates the word green. The show is called Lantern just like Arrow

I'd rather switch out Alan Scott for Kyle Rayner just so the former could appear on Stargirl, but otherwise this is a solid lineup.

Tho the fact that Marc Guggenheim is involved has me somewhat concerned.

YAY, Guy Gardner!

BOOOOO, "Arrow-verse" people running it.

Tie-breaker: BOOOOOOO, Alan Scott is NOT GAY. FAKE New 52 Alan Scott was gay. Get a clue, you pricks.

Jessica and Baz. In other words, Geoff Johns wants his residuals.

I was just telling someone, "How much do you want to bet that Alan Scott is only there because they're going to go with the gay version of him?" then I re-read the original article here closer. Jeeze... just terrible. Now Gay Alan is going to be reinforced on everything and everyone.

Alan Scott is the original. A husband, a father (and of 2 super popular superheroes... Jade and Obsidian).

Jessica and Baz there for diversity and women empowerment (and again, Geoff Johns' residuals), Alan for LGBTQ, and Guy there as the lone straight white male presence. And how much do you want to bet (as a result) they're going to make him act super dopey and goofy, and constantly be the butt of the others' jokes?

TO BE FAIR...... that's always Gardner's role anyway, to a point. :lol:

EXCEPT that in the comics no matter what a jerkoff or numbskull he is or how badly he's sometimes portrayed as the dumbest guy in the room, he always, ALWAYS comes through in the clutch. You go back over some of the biggest events or stories or threats in DC history for 30+ years, and Guy either dives in headfirst to take on the bad guys who make everybody else piss their spandex panties in fear without batting an eyelash - Doomsday, Hal/Parallax, etc. - OR swoops in to make the last-second save when everything seems lost (Eclipso).

Sure, he's a bozo sometimes. But the key to his gimmick has always been that he ALWAYS comes through when it matters. He's not JUST an abrasive idiot. He's "The Fist of the Guardians". And when he can't rely on his super-powers he gets by on sheer force of will.

He out-razzled Sinestro's "ghost" for control of Sinestro's yellow power ring, for god's sake. The guy the ring was created for in the first place. Gardner took it away (AND conned Lobo out of it in the process, although outsmarting Lobo isn't much of a trick :lol:) because he simply wouldn't be denied. Hell, when he died during the "Imperiex War", he fought his way back from Hell. Literal HELL.

He can't JUST be presented as an idiot or the character doesn't work. What he is, is the personification of sheer, undeniable willpower, more so than ANY of the other Lanterns. No matter the situation presented, he always finds a way to win because he simply doesn't know how to lose and won't accept it as an option. He has to win. "Because I'm Guy freakin' Gardner!"

I would love - LOVE - a sincere and proper live-action portrayal. But as you said... I suspect they have ulterior motives and I absolutely do not trust them. He'll be there JUST to be the dumb comic relief and the guy who's always wrong. That's it. And that sucks.

He did ruin Arrow, but not because of "Olicity." "Olicity" was bad because the writers kept making Felicity insufferably irritating at every turn after they actually got together.

I don't know... I mean Gardner definitely was in the 80s and 90s... but post-Rebirth, they made Gardner kind of a badass in the GLC books. Lost the bowl cut, dropped the goofiness (for the most part).

He shouldn't have lost the bowl cut. I'm living proof that you can be godlike while looking marginally ridiculous. :lol:

But yeah, the ONE thing I can never take away from Geoff Johns is that he did a lot to restore Guy's place of prominence in the DCU. He really "got" the character, for the most part, and took away a little bit of the "Flanderization" that lesser writers sometimes attached to him.

Even in the 90s, though, Guy was already very quietly the best character in the DC lineup. "Guy Gardner Reborn", "Eclipso: The Darkness Within", the first 16 AMAZING issues of his solo series (and even JUST "Yesterday's Sins" is golden if a person couldn't be bothered to read the other 12 issues for some dumb reason), Jurgens's run on "Justice League America"... Guy was on a VERY hot run until editorial mandate turned him into "Warrior".

Giffen's Justice League International was responsible for a lot of the "damage", although at times in that book he was still given more depth and was always prominently featured. But it was in the books I cited above where Guy finally was presented as having his sh*t together and being not only capable, but someone you might not LIKE having on your side, but a guy you'd NEED on your side. And in a lot of the cases where they showed him being at odds with other JLA members, or Jordan, truth is Guy was 100% right in those situations, most of the time. He may have handled it like a petulant child, but he was right on principle almost every time. He even gave up his GL ring when he really didn't have to, just because he felt like he had to abide by his word. That's what a real man does.

Eclipso was a huge coming-out for Guy's character. That whole entire Summer, man. Getting kicked out of the Corps, getting "Eclipsed", being told to f*ck off by the JLA, taking it on himself to swipe Sinestro's Power Ring, coming back to save Superman (and in turn everyone else) from Eclipso when everyone had already told him to f*ck off, saving the day and - as usual - not even getting any appreciation whatsoever proved the character's heart, to me. He was always one of the best kinds of heroes - one who does the right thing because it's The Right Thing, even when NOBODY cares enough to appreciate it. Sure, he loves the accolades... but he hardly ever gets any, and still, even when his "friends" treat him like sh*t, he saves their asses anyway. Even Superman, back when they barely got along. Y'all know I love Superman, but he was often much of a dick to Gardner back then and Guy was forever jumping in for him anyway. He even took the first punch from Doomsday. Seeing Guy and Superman become genuine friends much later on was nice, because it showed that they'd each grown a lot as people.

People always mark out for Batman for being the "most human" of all the DC heroes, but I disagree. It's always been Guy Gardner. He's the everyman, the true "hard luck hero". Always well-meaning but always misunderstood, more reasons than most to just say "f*ck it" and turn villain, but always does the right thing because The Right Thing is important, more so than appreciation or accolades or even the respect of your peers. He often never had ANY of those things. But he never quits, never gives up, and never lets the bad guys win.

The good ones know how to illustrate all of that with the way they write Guy Gardner. The hacks just make him a mouthy jerk. But he's ALWAYS had that depth and those layers. It's just easier to make him a stereotpyical Dumb Jock. But guys like Jurgens, Dixon, Giffen and yes, even Geoff Johns understand who he is and how to present him to his full potential.

I have a lot of love for Kyle and Hal and always will. But to me, Guy will always be the One True Green Lantern. He's far from a perfect person but that's what makes him such a fantastic and relatable character.

That's more Peter Tomasi than Geoff Johns. In addition to being the GL group editor, Tomasi led the GLC books that brought Guy front and center as writer.

As opposed to Hal. Whose character is his lack of character.

Green Lantern: HBO Max Series Reportedly Casting Black Woman as New Main Character

HBO Max is reportedly casting a Black woman as the new main character for the upcoming Green Lantern series. The Direct obtained some new information about the upcoming project. While Green Lantern will feature a host of established Lantern characters including Guy Gardner, Simon Baz, Alan Scott, and Jessica Cruz, a new name has popped up. In their report, a character named Bree Jarta is being used as a codename for the Black female character. As a half-human and half-alien Lantern, it would seem she’ll have to grapple with those multiple identities. There are also hints that she would be partnered with Gardner during the series and that would inject some familiarity for longtime fans. (It should be indicated that The Direct notes this isn’t newly-minted Lantern Sojourner Mullein.)

https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/...tedly-casting/

So Alan Scott is all about being a gay character in danger from homophobia, Bree Jarta is all about being an oppressed woman of color dealing with racism, and Guy Gardner is all about being a dumb "alpha male" white guy.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/green...0225#gs.m2ogxo

https://cosmicbook.news/green-lanter...GBCJyvCxi0BCjY

And not one single person here was surprised. :tlol:

Buzzwords these days are, "black," "gay," "lesbian," "minority," "racial diversity," and "transgender."

You can't have a show without following all of these things these days.

I've wanted a new live-action Superman TV show for 25 years, and now we're getting one and I absolutely do not care.

I've wanted a Green Lantern show for almost as long, and now we're getting one, and I absolutely do not care.

Guy Gardner is my favorite Green Lantern, and I've wanted to see him in live-action forever... and again, I absolutely do not care.

Supposedly, I'm the prime target for these shows, the guy who should be the most excited of all. And not only am I not excited, I'm angry. I wish these things didn't even exist.

Terrible. Ever since "Smallville", with this sh*t. With these terrible, off-brand versions of characters presented for the message board generation instead of actual fans.

Trash, all of it. Except the first season of Flash, that was somehow pretty good. But I'm quite certain by now that was a complete accident. Like most good thigs.

Superman and Lois dogged a small bullet they fired this crazy SJW chick writer who wanted more diversity in the show and tried to get Martha and Jonathan race changed to black.

I heard. I'm pretty glad I don't care about what promises to be a terrible show anyway. They might have dodged one bullet but I'm sure the clip is loaded.

Possibly the biggest Superman fan alive (and a huge Green Lantern fan as well), and you'd have to pay ME a substantial amount of money to watch either of these upcoming abortions. Something is off. And it ain't me.

That is sad to consider, now that you mention it.

Is this new Superman show going to be like Lois and Clark from the 90s? The title sure makes it seem that way.

On paper. But I suspect with a whole lot of added... let's just call it a modern day "sensibility." From a select bunch.

Guy Gardner cast - https://deadline.com/2021/04/finn-wi...er-1234747347/

Show is being overhauled and will now focus on John Stewart

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...0f0740c6f56c40

Maybe there's hope for this yet.

I know you are a bigger GL guy than I am, but I think it's safe to say that we are both really looking forward to this....

Well, now I am a bit. Sloughing off the fat of the other "diverse" and least interesting GLs only created in the last 8 years (and doubtlessly a Stifler-like Guy Gardner and troubles manufactured around them retconning Alan Scott being a gay man in the 1940s) and just focusing it around John Stewart? That might be a sound choice.

lol... this headline: https://cosmicbook.news/gay-green-la...vZhGqSsz6yrOYs

Slashing the budget in half is a good thing? For a character that's going to be in space, using CG to create all his moves with the ring, and interacting with aliens?

But now it's just one guy with a ring, not a group of guys with rings. Trust me, I'm pretty sure the money on the original version wasn't going to the right places.

A more focused approach isn't bad, but John Stewart kinda sucks so I can't say I care incredibly much more.

And not that this show would've been great or anything, but once again Guy Gardner gets his live-action debut cancelled. I swear that character is just plain cursed.

Still, way better than what they were going to do. Me, I'd love a post-ET Kyle Rayner show. Have him rebuilding the Corps, maybe with flashbacks to the "Good Old Days" with Hal. But I can get behind a John Stewart show. He wasn't created 5 minutes ago by hacks.

I'm sure Guy will pop in at some point. If the show lasts long enough.

Also, to state the obvious, the repositioning of John Stewart front and center in this show when previously he wasn't even allowed to be considered for it by WB... means that the Geoff Johns GLC movie is completely dead.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/josh-br...oing-lanterns/

And Brolin is 56, going to be 58 by the time this ever airs. You know what this means, right? Old Man Hal Jordan, with everybody else (probably the newer multi-racial Geoff Johns GLs) being the younger, hipper GLs showing us how much cooller they are than the old man.

https://i.imgur.com/LsFoomi.jpeg

Ridiculous. Hal Jordan will now be the old fogey to the hip diverse younger Lanterns, is how this is shaping up. *

*: I'll take it back if they go the Parallax route and turn him evil.

https://i.imgur.com/MHeNETx.jpeg

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/lan...rt-1236173148/

Looks like a "pretty boy" version of John Stewart but OK, let's see.

https://i.imgur.com/FcqQFrz.png


James Gunn Confirms the casting

https://deadline.com/2025/01/ulrich-...ns-1236267158/

first photo of Hal and John in civilian clothes with lantern rings on their hands

https://i.imgur.com/9SVBxj1.jpeg