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What should the Classic FW 87 88 OT be called?
Online for the most part it was called the OT for "old toon" or "original toon" and the new show 2003 was called the NT for "new toon" but it was also often called 2k3. Of course eventually NT stopped being used since it wasn't new and it was just called 2k3.
People no longer use OT though, it seems very rare and mostly only older issues. I see some people calling it FW for fred wolf, others use 87 or 88, which is a mess some people count the miniseries but others use 88 including the movie Turtles Forever. Can we reach on a consensus of what the classic cartoon should be called? Most other shows/movies go by their year date so perhaps that but should it be 88 or 87? |
Yeah. Just call it TMNT 88 or TMNT 80's. After all, we call the other 2 TMNT 2K3 and TMNT 2012. Rise is dif cause they had a whole new name for the show.
So I'll agree with TMNT 88. |
It depends on which version of Fred Wolf TMNT you are discussing. The miniseries was the best out of all of them, but most people are thinking of the syndicated series (ran from ‘88 to ‘89) when they bring up the original toon. The ‘88 series ends with The Big Blow Out. It does not extend to Turtles Forever. Turtles Forever is a standalone movie. The 1990 to 1996 CBS episodes are not part of the ‘88 series either. I’m not sure where people got the idea to combine the miniseries with the syndicated series, CBS SATAM series, and Turtles Forever from. I think they’re looking at how the main characters, locations, and synopsis is the same.
I’m voting for ‘88 because those are the stories most people are familiar with. Every ‘89 basic assortment action figure was introduced in the ‘88 syndicated series. Don’t get me wrong, the miniseries was the greatest children’s programming to come out of the late 1980s. The miniseries cannot be glued to the ‘88 series or 1990 series. The miniseries is a 5 parter and that’s it. Lion’s Gate was incorrect in saying it was season 1 of “the whole Fred Wolf original cartoon”. So, it’s ‘88 for me. Quote:
It can be divided like this: Miniseries = Generation XY culture ‘88 Syndicated Series = Generation XY culture 1990 CBS Saturday Morning = Generation Y culture |
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I call it TMNT (1987) outside and within this forum. Sometimes people offline refer to it as the original cartoon, but I never heard anyone refer to it as the Fred Wolf cartoon outside of this website. Its the best there was, the best there is, and the best there will be.
Its the one that has staying power in the minds of people for better or worse. |
LOL @ these replies.
People, it's basically just called "the original TMNT cartoon" to most of the general public or casuals. I've never seen anyone call it "the '87 series" seriously where is that coming from? |
FW or Fred Wolf. There are a number of reasons to do so:
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I simply refer to it as "The classic TMNT cartoon", or the "classic toon" with people who know what I'm talking about.
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In real life I've only ever heard people call it "The old show" or "the first show" or "The one from the 80s." Nobody remembers the year it came out and nobody knows what "Fred Wolf" is.
Quite literally, it's most often called "The old one, you know, the one from the '80s" but that is rather unwieldy. In rarer cases a person will tack "You know, before they got stupid with it" onto the end of that for further clarification. But yeah, that's how most people refer to it. ------------------- Unrelated, but you'd think after 20 f*cking years on this forum people would remember not to put 8 and ) next to each other. Duh. |
I almost always call it the OT or 1987.
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Most fans look at “the start date for the whole series”, but I know both the regular series and CBS SATAM series were promoted quite often in the very late 80s and very early 90s. Those animated TV programs are separate entities from the miniseries.
There were cards featuring scenes from the miniseries, but all of merchandise for the Fred Wolf turtles came out during the time of the syndicated series and CBS SATAM series (1989 to 1991). The only non-Playmates Toys items released during the miniseries school year (1987 to 1988 ) was the Roseart Pizza Power Game and puzzles. The syndicated series from 1988 was the most popular out of the miniseries, regular weekday show, and CBS SATAM series, so I voted for 1988. |
“The 80s/90s TMNT cartoon.” I call it the 90s TMNT cartoon outside this forum, though, as the people I know who watched it back in the day grew up in the 90s like me.
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I think some shell-heads group the ‘87 miniseries, ‘88 regular weekday series, and 1990 CBS series together because the USA Cartoon Express aired them all back to back.
The miniseries is darker than the regular weekday series and CBS toon. The turtles still punch and sometimes take out their weapons (including nunchucks) in the regular syndicated series. The CBS cartoon is brighter than both the miniseries and weekday series because it was a Saturday morning show. None of the shows are the same despite the main characters, location, and lingo used on the programs. |
I think 87 works best because its consistent with how all the other cartoons without a special title are commonly referred to as.
Tmnt 1987, 2003 and 2012. |
I generally refer to it as the '87 series. In real life, I'd refer to it as the 80s series.
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Would you group Rise Of The TMNT with the 2012 series since they were both on Nickelodeon? Back to the Sewer and Fast Forward were not part of the 2003 series. There isn’t a 1987 series. 1987 was the year of the miniseries. The ‘88 series was even listed on the back of the Classic Collection figures. It’s as follows: 1987 - Miniseries 1988 - Weekday syndicated series 1990 - CBS Saturday morning series |
The 1987 series might have been divided into different syndications or whatever, but it was still the same continuity from the 1st to the 193rd episode.
And Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers are absolutely canon to the 2003 series, tonally jarring as they may be. |
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Seasons 2 onwards fleshed out the character's personalities more (especially the villains), the comedy got better and we still got some decent action here and there. And for those people who really like season's 1 more action oriented style, season 7 comes quite close to emulating that. |
I tend to call it the '87 series. To a lesser extent sometimes use OT or FW.
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I think that anything where the meaning is clear and it's not too unwieldy is fine. I personally call it That Thing From Years Ago with the Green Guys and the Fighting and the Thing That Goes Underground, You know What I Mean, That Thing...
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Despite what people might wish or want to believe, Back to the Sewers and Fast Forward are part of the 2003 series. Quote:
A name is not going to be agreed on for the original show. People generally know what show is being referred to if they say FW, OT, '87, etc (at least in these forums). FW and OT weren't clear to me straight away what they stood for when I saw them at first but knew the show being referred to given the context. |
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The mini-series, first and second season of the regular syndicated series, and CBS Saturday morning cartoon is referred to as the classic cartoon. Of course, the regular syndicated series aired more than the mini-series and a whole generation was raised on the CBS cartoon. Instead of naming all of the shows with Super Friends in the title, most people just call it “Super Friends”. It’s easier that way. Same thing with the Fred Wolf TMNT shows. |
The original mini-series and the subsequent syndicated series had:
- The same theme song - The same intro sequence - The same voice cast - The same art style and animation - The same cast of characters - The same direct line of storyline continuity The syndicated series and the Saturday Morning series shared everything except the specific intro animation. By the "Red Sky" Seasons, they changed the intro and SOME of the voice cast but things were mostly the same. It's ONE show that underwent a few creative changes near the end after being on the air for a long time. That's literally it. You're more or less saying that because there was a few months between the inaugural mini-series and the syndicated show's debut, that makes it two "separate" shows. Despite absolutely everything about them being exactly the same. I'm sorry, that's ridiculous. It's ONE show that ran for a long time with a few small breaks and a few tiny artistic changes. It's NOT two or even three shows. It's one show. There's "pedantic" and then there's flat-out wrong. |
Any TV show in existence usually goes through changes as it goes on especially ones that last multiple seasons. Trying to split up the original cartoon is the most absurd thing I've ever seen.
Do you guys not watch any other TV shows outside of TMNT? This is baffling. |
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Don't overcomplicate it. Just TMNT 87/88 or TMNT 80's. The mini series is part of the same thing. So is the CBS and not many people would remember. Just call the final season Red Sky like everyone has for years. Then 2003 and 2012. Like it or not, Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers still fall under 2003, same continuity. As for Rise, Rise is Rise, it actually has a different title. No one is gonna confuse Rise for 2012. |
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This almost feels like borderline trolling at this point.
What does it matter what timeslot a show aired in the 80's or early 90's that most people will never remember or think about? |
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The miniseries came first, then the ‘88 series. The ‘88 series blew up in popularity in the ‘89 and ‘90 school year and then CBS aired TMNT on Saturday mornings in the 90s. You could make a case for the CBS show being a continuation to the ‘88 syndicated series, but the miniseries was better written than both of the shows that came afterward. |
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Some people see it as a series that aired from 1987 to 1996, while others realize there was an ‘87 miniseries, ‘88 series, and ‘90 series. |
Or they understand that it was THE SAME SHOW that occasionally had a different time slot or whatever. There's nothing about it that's different otherwise!
Sometimes Hulk Hogan wore a red shirt, sometimes he wore a yellow one. Is he now a completely different f*cking GUY because there's a 1% difference in the presentation? By your logic, Yes He Is. :lol: It's one show that had a short break in the beginning and a shifting airing schedule afterwards. This sh*t is bananas. |
It’s like the Back To The Future Trilogy when you think about it.
‘87 miniseries: Back To The Future ‘88 regular syndicated series: Back To The Future Part 2 ‘90 CBS Saturday morning show: Back To The Future Part 3 The miniseries was the only show we needed. The punk frogs, fly Baxter, Casey Jones, Metalhead, Slash, and etcetera never sold as well as the first wave action figures. |
I think the real issue is that you refuse to accept that anything post season 1 is part of the 87 universe.
It's fine to like season 1 better than all the rest, but to be so elitist that you refuse to acknowledge anything after season 1 as being part of the same show (when the creators clearly intended everything post season 1 as canon) is beyond personal preference, and into the territory of ignoring facts. It's not any different from some people who think that Red Sky is a seperate universe from the first 7 seasons of the 1987 series, or people who think that the Mutant Apocalypse is an alternate timeline that has nothing to do with the 2012 series. In both examples, it's people ignoring the clear intentions of the creators and spinning up their own narrative/headcanons in order to spare themselves the babyrage. |
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I don't know why you think people lump Turtles Forever in with it, because no one does. |
Considering the guy also thinks Rise is part of the 2012 series just because Nick made both cartoons even though they're completely separate series, I don't understand him at all.
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You appear to follow Lion’s Gate’s episode list, but not everyone does. It’s not the same show to me. I know the title, theme song (minus the Red Sky years), characters, locations, lingo, and plot are the same, but the openings, closings, animation, weapons (in some cases), and new characters are different. ‘87 miniseries = Made to sell the ‘88 figures ‘88 series = Marketing the ‘89 figures ‘90 to ‘96 series = 30 minute advertisement for the ‘90 to ‘94 (or ‘95) figures I refuse to see it as the same show. Quote:
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General consensus here based on votes is to call it the 87 series, this matches up with Wikipedia and IMDB so let's just go along with that. I believe the old NinjaTurtles.com also had it this way. Can't get more official than that. |
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