IronHeart disney + Series
 

Looks like RIRI Willams is getting her own series

https://i.imgur.com/LXX7YQA.jpg

Does anyone actually care about this character? What was the last comic she was part of?

Riri was in the Infinity Countdown comic Champions and she had her own solo Invincible Iron Man 11 issue series back in 2006

Good for her. But I really, really don't give a $hit.

Did her comic series even succeed? Is IronHeart even still a thing in the comics?

Last I read Riri has shown up in the newest run of Iron Man that started this year

On the one hand, Iron Man going out like a boss was great.

On the other hand, we never did get Tony facing off against the actual Mandarin. I'm still irked by Iron Man 3. That's when I realized I would never again see a MCU movie without spoilers beforehand.

So this and Armor Wars with War Machine... I find it hard to care about Iron Man stories told without Iron Man.

She had no presence of note in the "Iron Man 2020" event that began earlier this year (which was garbage) and she has nothing to do with the current Cantwell and Cafu series. Which, by the way is the best Iron Man I've read since the Knauf's wrote the book back in 2007. The Iron Man comic has literally been a dismal mess starting with Matt Fraction's truly awful run that coincided with the first Iron Man movie.

Her first appearance is a back issue burner, but that's mostly supported by the modern wave of speculation investors as opposed to any true cult of fandom for the character. This character is another Bendis-agenda-creation. The concept took over the Iron Man book for way to long. But to put it bluntly - the character was embedded into the regular Iron Man book for a year and when launched on it's own merits the Iron Heart book was not a success. It yielded nothing of note in terms story, sales, or even low print run interest. Now and again you'll find an aftermarket gougers for a Riri ratio-variant related to the short lived Iron Heart series; and the first appearance book which benefited from a ratio variant and the current comic speculation craze.

But ultimately if the character brings in new readership and makes a heroic archetype for a new generation of reader, that's cool. If the character finds it's own footing, then cool. The character wasn't "for me" so hopefully then the readership the character was for shows up. So far they haven't.

On another note, if anyone here is an Iron Man fan or collector then you should find us on Facebook under the group name, "Advanced Iron". It's the continuation of a great Iron Man website and online PDF comics magazine that was around for two decades before migrating over the Facebook.

Iron Man 3. Where Marvel Studios catered to China for fear of box office. They called their own I.P. a "racist caricature" and instead chose to make "the Mandarin" of the movie a rich white guy. Because you know... rich white guys are evil and that's more believable than a Chinese cultural fanatic that is brilliant enough to climb to power intellectually, physically and through technological rings. That movie was a $#!( storm disaster of crap. I'm still mad about it. To this day I have never bought Iron Man 3. I won't support it financially at all.

Good for you! Don't give Iron Man 3 your money... FUUCK that movie.

I don't why but it sometimes irks me how fast some of these characters get movies or shows when they were barely introduced in the comics. Like it took the avengers how many years to finally get a live action adaptation but it only takes Riri like 10 or so to get a live action series.

We're gonna reach the point some new character will get a movie or series before they've even had 5 solid issues out.

It's the agenda, man. Some of these characters weren't even created altruistically. They were created by edict on the agenda or subscription to it. And so it's fast tracked. Because it's the agenda.

Like I said on a few other occasions - cool. I hope the intended audience shows up. If they do it would truly be a good thing.

I also just read that they are butchering Tony Stark's most relevant story. The story that SHOULD'VE been Iron Man 2. The Armor Wars. Now it's a T.V. series where Rhodey goes through the motions. I love Rhodey that is a complete character assassination on Stark given the content of that amazing arc from Iron Man vol 1 #225 - 232.

As a side bar, one of my claims to nerd-fame:
https://i.imgur.com/M1k8YUS.jpg

It's too bad we never got a second Iron Man Trilogy or at the very least an Iron Man 4, why? Now Tony Stark is dead and it's too late, I'm ok with Ironheart eventually becoming Iron Man and being the new Iron Man in a movie until Tony Stark is recast and they find some comic book reason as to why Tony is alive.

Y'know, if they really wanted to bring Tony Stark back in the movies, there's precedent in the comics, albeit in a story not everybody liked very much. I'm sure IMJ knows the one I mean.

They did a story once when Tony Stark was brainwashed by some bad guy (Kang, I think his name was?) and became a villain, and so the Avengers had to go back in time and pluck a much younger Tony Stark from before he was brainwashed out of the past and bring him to the present to fight his older, corrupted self. I think "Evil Tony" died and then Teenage Tony became the new Iron Man full-time for a while. I forget how the arc ended, I think it had something to do with the whole "Heroes Reborn" nonsense.

I mean, they'd have to change most of the details quite a bit, but they could still use the same basic "pull a younger Tony Stark out of the past" gimmick if they decide that their universe needs Iron Man for the movies that badly. It wouldn't even need to be a teenager, since that was seemingly the most contentious part of the angle. They could just as well use a younger actor who's 20-something and do it that way. And they've already established time travel as a plot device.

As soon as I heard they'd killed off Tony Stark in the movies - especially one with such a heavy focus on time travel - that's the first thing I thought of as to how they could bring him back eventually. I wouldn't give up on ever seeing Iron Man in the movies again. Something tells me they'll do some variation of this exact idea before too long. And it would fit the MCU track record of doing things "kinda sorta" from the comics but doing them completely differently.

Only problem I see with this is, if they bring back Tony in the current MCU instead of an all-new reboot.... that new guy is gonna have some big shoes to fill. Not only woul he have to play Tony, he'd also better be damn good at all of Robert Downey Jr's mannerisms and such.

Meh. Characters are bigger than actors. They always say "The new guy probably won't live up to the other guy" and 99% of the time the new guy does even better.

I've always found Downey very smarmy and unlikeable, personally. And yeah, I get it, "That's Tony Stark" and therefore he's perfect for it. But it gets old after a while. Like I love Bill Murray, too, but he's got the same kinda "Everyone in this room is a complete idiot except for me" thing going on and sometimes it's a little tiresome.

But yeah, they'll get a new guy eventually and it'll probably be fine. Possibly even better. I just have a very hard time believing they'll never have Iron Man in a movie again, and I don't think they'll wait for a full reboot to go there. We'll see.

I don't see them bringing Tony Stark anytime soon but in 10 years, he's fair game and I don't think they'll do a straight up reboot, most likely a soft reboot of sorts to bring in new actors for the older heroes of the MCU while still maintaining the newer heroes of the MCU. That's if superhero movies don't collapse in the next few years, in that case then yeah full reboot eventually.

I absolutely believe they are going to do this on film to be honest. They are setting up Kang as the next big bad after they cast the guy from Lovecraft Country in the role.

I think we talked about this in another thread. Everyone felt the same way about Connery as James Bond, and now here we are 28 films later or whatever... Also the new guy wouldn't have to act like Downey. Downey created a Stark that was akin to him, not akin to what the comics produced. In many ways it's actually ashame that everyone thinks Tony Stark is a wise-ass, ass-wipe personality hero. That's actually not the character at all until that's what Downey did with it. And how he's like it in the books and it's awful.

I always felt that personality was okay in the first movie. Because the events of the first movie are what is supposed to change him. But they ran with it throughout all of the films. I didn't hate it by any means, but it wasn't right. We are actually having a discussion very similar to this on the Advanced Iron group because of all of the Iron Man related news that was just dropped - all of it without friggin' Iron Man.

What, you guys really don't think the "real Mandarin" (who has been foreshadowed since way back in the "All Hail the King" short) will show up in "Shang-Chi and the Legend of the 10 Rings"? I figured that was a sure thing.

One thing doesn't have much to do with the other. :)

Oh it's already confirmed that he is. And it's frustrating as hell. Especially how Marvel went on about how their own intellectual property was a racist caricature as their excuse to keep the character out of Iron Man 3 and to appease China for the box office.

But now they have Shang Chi so I guess that was all talk and bull ****.

It's very frustrating.

Maybe they figure as long as it's not a straight white guy fighting him, it's more OK? Or they'll make the Mandarin into a robot or an AI or something. They can't go supernatural or bye bye China dollars.

If it's streaming-only they can more or less say "Bye Bye ANY kinda dollars". So in the end it really doesn't matter, does it?

I'd say that the fans that made these franchises billions are now growing very disenfranchised because Endgame tied things up terminally for the character interactions that most people wanted. Combine that with the fatigue in knowing that the "M-SHE-U" is going woke in most of it's films. So you'll have the addicts and zombies go and say every new movie is "the bestest Marvel movie yet!" but I'm really curious as to how the box office patterns are going to go.

As for upcoming flicks, the only one I plan on paying to see is Dr. Strange. I have little to no interest in much else on their slate. Maybe a Shang Chi trailer will be cut that looks awesome, but I think the only way I'm going to really care is if they reveal that Iron Man guest stars in it and we see an Iron Man / Mandarin conclusion, which would of course be ridiculous in a Shang-Chi flick.

I'm curious about Black Widow because of the Winter Soldier vibes. But my excitement is widely gone with Endgame. These flicks are more for regular theater goers now. They'll cheer at anything that Marvel puts on screen because "that's what you do". Even though the cheering was originally comic fans excitement and seeing certain moments on screen. I don't even like what I'm writing right now because I could develop all of the point so much, but it would just come off as infinite negativity to a group of "normie fans" who think those movies are all amazing.

Nothing to apologize for in that statement.

Scorsese nailed it. They don't make "movies", they make theme park rides.

Frankly, I'm in the same boat.

I'm finding it very hard to feel excited about the TV shows, because Marvel already crushed the superior Netflix shows like Daredevil and Punisher. I'd be a whole lot more interested in Daredevil Season 4 than Loki Season 1.

And the movies are in a weird holding pattern. The MCU was always about generating interest in the next movie and the next crossover, but now that they've shot their wad with Endgame and taken major players off the board...

I'm just not that excited for the MCU to continue. Maybe an isolated movie here and there (STILL waiting for Black Widow), but nothing's really catching my interest... I dunno, they don't need my money anyway.

I was really excited for WandaVision, but the whole sitcom spoof thing just looks corny as hell.

2016, and eleven issues really isn't saying much

I don't see how, it's literally just the "Patsy Walker Fun time Adventure Co-Starring Tony"

Tony as a character was ruined by the comic book version of Civil War, Marvel have never been able to fully rebuild him from that, and constantly rewrite his personality and memories in an attempt to get him away from the fascist he was in that story. All to no avail because the readers don't appreciate having their intelligence insulted. He should be realistically locked up and never spoken of again. That's how irredeemable he is now.

I say this as someone who really doesn't like most of the MCU, but the movies salvaged Tony in ways that the comics branch failed to do, and they've only doubled down on their blunders since then.

Between this and Armor Wars, I think it's cool to see the MCU carving out it's legacy and responding to it. I find it more interesting than re-casting Iron Man, bringing him back to life, or trying to forget about his impact on that world. At least for now. So all in all, I think this is pretty cool.

I'm actually quite excited for the MCU right now. I've always been a fan, but I'd consider about half their films to be straight up boring in my eyes. What I like about now, is that a lot of shackles are being taken off of the MCU and there is a lot of potential for new and exciting stories, that hopefully can get away from the monotony that has plagued some of their output.
I'm referring to:

1. The fact that they are finally a good distance apart from the era of Kevin Feige having to report to Ike, leading to more freedom and risk taking. While Ike has been out of the picture for a few years now, the rate at which these things are planned means it is only now that we are going to start seeing the fruits of Kevin Feige's freedom.

2. as much as I love the MCU take on Cap and Iron Man, I'm ready to move on from them. They've had a ton of great moments and each went through a somewhat interesting character arc with a suitable ending. Now that we've gotten that out of the way, I'd like to see more of the weird, experimental stuff. Moon Knight, you say? That's what I'm talking about.

3. Lastly, they have gained so much goodwill with audiences at this point, they can afford to take those risks. This is when things may actually begin to get interesting.

Now, if Eternals is just Avengers or Guardians with a different coat of paint, that'll be too bad. I'm hoping they are using such an unknown brand so they can actually experiment and carve out something fresh.

They should have just taken my idea and had Tony get zapped by the time gem mid-battle at some point in Infinity War or Endgame... poof, he's a younger man and we get a new actor.

This is actually the biggest threat from movies that hold continuity. It's something we always wanted, but now you are in a corner to the continuity at all costs. Even if the multiverse gives access to variation in the story, it's all got to come from the multi-verse explanation now.

I'm not looking forward to 5 to 7 years down the road when Kang is fully fleshed out and they bring Tony back in an Avengers flick as a pawn of Kang. And the normies will cheer at that.

Trans character to be introduced

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/04/0...man-ironheart/

Now filming:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/marvels...s-now-filming/

Eh, like previously mentioned in this thread, I'm having a hard time caring about this series. Ironheart is such a new character, I know nothing about her yet. Also I can tell she was created to appeal to new, younger demographics. Whatever, as long as someone gets enjoyment out of it I guess it's OK.

I'm just waiting to see the trailer for Wakanda Forever to see what story teases we get

First look at The Hood and Riri's armor

https://i.imgur.com/NisMLOP.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eapvK9Z.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/dlrk5ny.jpg

https://www.justjared.com/2022/08/08...rt-first-pics/

To be honest, a lot of these woke token replacements seem to be created on purpose just to have them be in live action adaptations.

Doubtlessly. Because then they can say, "B-b-b-but she's from the comics!!"

I'll admit, I'm more curious about this show now that they've done some filming for it in my neighborhood. They built a whole fake White Castle that looks like it'll feature in a chase/fight scene, and I also saw an auto shop and parking lot with some damaged vehicles that look like they may be part of the same sequence.

Borat/Ali G Sacha Baron Cohen reportedly cast as Mephisto and will debut in this

https://thedirect.com/article/marvel...cohen-mephisto

... And now I'm starting to imagine Borat telling Spider-Man to get divorced...

That's an interesting casting choice, Is Mephisto a comedic character in the comics, Like he's not taken seriously?

Yep, so let's waste a top villain like Mephisto on schlock like this. That dude should have been in the movies, or at the very least in Wandavision.

I don't want to give up on the MCU entirely, but they're not making it easy. They've taken liberties before and already botched the Mandarin to the point Tony Stark died before ever meeting the real one, but now it's clear they have tossed everything out the window and are just using whoever they can whenever they can, actual comics be damned. The MCU just isn't actual Marvel anymore. It's become 'what normies think Marvel is like'.

Kinda like how some people now think Casey was a recurring character in the 80's how and the Turtles used their shortened nicknames back then but multiplied by a thousand.

Wake me up next Spider-Man movie I guess.

He's had a few light-hearted stories (like the one Spider-Man rescues the spirit of Christmas from him and one where he tries to get a date) but for the most part he's portrayed as a big threat.(He was eventually responsible for erasing Spdier-Man's marriage in One More Day)

The current storylines in the comics are building towards Mephisto going to war with the Avengers, and he has assembled a 'council of red' assembled from all his variants in the multiverse

I have traditionally not been a fan of Cohen's stuff. But more and more the MCU is making material that I care little to nothing about. So now my operating heuristic is generally to wait for a trailer or more info.

And then based on that, if it seems like woke $#!(, then I don't pay for it. And then I look to see if it has woke $#!(, and if it does, I don't pay for it. Lastly, I look to see if there are replacement characters, race swaps, gender messaging or other broadcasted identity politics that are indicative of woke $#!( and if there is, then I don't pay for it. Then of a last resort I check to see if the casting enhanced the movie or seemed like it had something to do with agenda or some other nonsense. And if it does, then I don't pay for it.

So basically I have only actually given money to a Marvel production two times since April, 2019 - once for Avengers: Endgame and once for Spider-Man: No Way Home. So I guess you could say that I've helped the cause because even those two flicks had some woke $#( inorganically or opportunistically shoved into them too.