Whats wrong with the turtles being silly?
 

For anyone who detests the franchise being goofy....why?

You're never in a million years going to tell the best possible stories or explore the premise to its full potential that way.

There's a lot of potential in the general concept that can go a thousand different directions, a lot of it STILL unexplored. But you're never going to get there by plucking low-hanging fruit or making jokes about pizza.

It's okay to have some fun here and there. But it's a set of handcuffs on a potentially very cool idea.

Once in a while? Why not. Inherently? Ninjas aren't supposed to be silly. If they're silly, then they become a sham. I don't like TMNT to be a sham.

It's up to personal preference really.

I enjoy the turtles having fun loving personalities and making corny jokes, but they still need to take their battles seriously and not be so self aware that there is nothing at stake anymore.

Ya when it’s appropriate there’s nothing wrong with including humor or silly situations. Nobody is super serious 24/7.

Well said.

I do like some silliness in TMNT, because its roots is in satire. However, the humor needs to come in small doses, and the focus should be on story and character development, and also action.

I have a friend named Greg who posts here on the reg (where you at, bud?) who I argue with about this.

He says, as adults we shouldn't accept TMNT (or any cartoon/superhero characters) that are juvenile. When I point out the OT show was juvenile, he rolls his eyes. The OT is the most iconic and maybe not the best but... if you don't apreciate silly TMNT, you can't appreciate that old cartoon.

I think if you're a TMNT fan, you have to accept, at least on some level, that the whole premise is pretty silly.

Inb4 Andrew comes in here and brings up Crisler's law.

Like Batman?

YES! All superheroes. All fictional crime fighting types... silly concepts. But fun as hell.

Who's Andrew? And what the hell is Crisler's Law? If you can't see the utter bufoonery of TMNT then c'mon, watch the cartoons... you'll see it.

It's not my fault it always seems to be inevitable.

Oh, you must be Andrew. Hi!
Well, dude... you have to admit, that TMNT on its face is pretty silly. That's what's so fun about it. It's not meant to be taken seriously! I mean they eat pizza and fly around with dimension-hopping teenagers and encounter all kinds of talking animals. How serious can it get?

Hello there. As a suggestion, go read the original Mirage comics at least once. Then you may understand where others are coming from. But, see, the thing about the TMNT is they can fit in any genera. Or combination of generas. All it takes is good writing, imagination, and truck loads of heart and respect.

I don't mind the Turtles being a little silly in context, as siblings interacting with each other, but I don't really want the franchise to be silly.

Personally, I enjoy the contrasts of them being serious ass kickers as ninjas and sometimes heroes, but then the few lucky enough to know them find out that they are lovable goofballs off the clock.

Look, i get it... TMNT started out as a comic, aimed at teens and young adults. but it became something fun... and for lovers of the absurd. So that's why i'm here. For the humor and imagination of it all.

The Eastman/Laird stuff is not for me. I want funny, fun and furry animals.

Turtles are not furry (I know what you meant though).

And there are plenty of fun, furry anthropomorphic characters that you can find in other cartoons and video games.

Yeah...I guess that's part of where we differ then.

I'm firmly in the camp that sees the TMNT as people first and foremost, not as animals, and in line with that I want said people taken seriously and not made into a joke. Want them to make the jokes (on occasion and where appropriate, NOT all the time and not forced), not be the joke.

I've had the same arguments at work with my friend, Greg. I'm used to this sentiment. He's all, "TMNT Should Be Gritty and Dark and Made For Adults" and I just can't agree. Just different aspects to the fandom I guess.

Kinda like how some prefer Adam West Batman to Neil Adams/Frank Miller version... or the serious Superman stuff to the George Reeves TV show and Superboy stuff. Different strokes for different folks as they say.

future TMNT series should Do it like 2k12 A little bit serious with some humor thrown in when it fits. No need for the turtles to be stupid goofballs all the time.

You probably are Greg, AKA PizzaPowerwhatever.

Well, that is my name. LoL. You wouldn't be the first, but Nope! He's too Leftist for me. He's cool and all, but he don't believe in God and he don't respect the heroes of this country. Trust me, working with him is hard enough. To "BE" him? My word, I couldn't imagine. The things that come outta his mouth are just too damn Liberal for me.

I'm also in the camp where I like seeing the turtles being humorous with each other as brothers and having some light-hearted moments but being competent and serious when required where they're actually respected as a threat by their opponents.

there was some of that in every incarnation tho.

Yeah, I'm with this. I'm in the mind frame that the TMNT should have put up a better fight against Batman. I mean four highly trained Ninjas that in their eorld fought countless enemies and such can't put up at the very least a better threat to Batman, I know it's Batman but damn he swatted these guys like they swat away foot soldiers. Comedy is all good for me and being goofy but I want to see them taken more seriously than the 80's cartoon in some incarnations.

I watched that movie and thought it was great. The Batman Joker fight was a lot of fun.

The TMNT I dig don't do any of the things you mention.

Fair enough. But those of us that enjoy the cartoons should be allowed to enjoy them here! On a TMNT forum.

Who's saying you can't, exactly?

No one... just a general feeling of unease I guess. This place is pretty welcoming... when I'm not being accused of being someone I'm not, just because I share a moniker with some Liberal SJW who got here years before me, who I happen to know in real life.

Well I mean, like I said elsewhere... nobody ever tells anyone they "can't" like what they like. It's just that people who like the "goofy" TMNT get sick of how many people disagree, how strongly they disagree, and eventually they just leave rather than get roped into the same old debates over and over again.

But no, nobody "makes" them leave. Nobody even "bullies" them, which is another common claim. They just typically can't handle dissent. It's a common and repeating pattern.

I did hear once that a long time ago there was an unofficial rule bout not criticizing the original cartoon around these parts. That's okay. Truth is, I've lurked on the Technodrome Forums for a long time... since at least 2018 and... finally made an account when I heard that guy I know had an account here.

It was no "bashing", not no criticizing. Although either way, that's been relaxed in recent years.

Pretty much the only rule that matters is "No harassment or personal attacks." That's really the only rule any forum should have, in my opinion.

I mean, *I'd* say "No fat chicks" but then, y'know... "internet".

Yeah, that sounds about right. Then later on you'll see those same people pop up in strange corners of the internet, or FB, talking about, "The Technodrome forums are a real wasteland! So many a**holes and lawlessness. Never going there again!" with 4 or 5 like-minded others agreeing with them and so on.

You win the Technodrome No-Prize

Y'know who I don't miss? All the contrarian types who'd over-sell for things most everyone else hated, and double-down by saying "I like this even MORE because everyone hates it!" and talk about drinking "salty fanboy tears" and such.

I don't think it's any coincidence that all the arguments, personal insults and people getting Temp-Banned dropped by about 75% once those people "had enough" and quit.

I still see some of them on FB. This place is apparently an "Alt-Right Echo Chamber" now and that's why they left. :lol:

I mean, whatever it took to get rid of 'em, I guess. The toxic ones never believe they're the toxic ones. They're always "The Good Guys"!

Oh boy, how I wish that was the case.

This place will never reach 4Chan levels of glory. That site helped popularise My Little Pony too :tlol:

Especially the ones that are die-hard fans of the BayTurtles.

I'm with Andrew in thinking that most of those specific people were sent here by Nickelodeon and Viacom. Nobody's taste is THAT bad, not even TMNT fans. No sane adult thinks those movies were anything but piss.

I'm more thinking along the lines of the longtime member-type folks who insisted that stuff like Chickbusters was good, and the more people said it wasn't - which isn't even an "opinion", it's a provable fact - the more they dug in and said stuff like "I like the movie even more because a bunch of people with small-dick energy hate it. Your salty fanboy tears sustain me." Like, that's just plain sh*t-stirring, it's not even discourse.

I won't name names, because even though they "quit and don't miss it" according to the stuff they say on FB, I know for a fact a lot of them still lurk. And I can't help but notice that after they left, there was a HUGE drop in people arguing, threads getting locked, and people being Temp-Banned.

It's almost as if when people try and converse like adults, even when they disagree, and don't openly cop to trying to rile people up on purpose "for the lulz", everybody gets along a lot better in general and people don't fight as much.

Absolutely nothing wrong with them silly, as long as the show has a decent art style and not the horrendous style from the last show!