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Andrew NDB 02-11-2021 02:34 AM
"Last of US" HBO mini-series
 
(based on the video game series)

Pedro Pascal has been cast as Joel:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/pedro-p...OUQrqJgns7u1mU

And earlier today Ellie was cast:
https://nordic.ign.com/news/43588/hb...-star-as-ellie

Bella Ramsey, also from GoT.

I loved Bella Ramsey in GoT, but she doesn't seem the part. Neither does Pedro.

Andrew NDB 01-16-2023 02:01 PM
So it premiered yesterday. Decent. Though it seems like the only reason they got rid of spores (the infected now have tendrils that come out of their mouth and go into the mouths of the victims instead) was so Pedro wouldn't have to wear a gas mask even part of the time.

Pedro did a fine job and it works. Bella Ramsey is a great actress but -- and this sounds horrible -- she kind of has like a light dusting of "down syndrome face." They didn't need to get a lookalike from the game but I dunno. Not this.

CyberCubed 01-16-2023 06:47 PM
Haven't watched it yet but I don't know why they purposely chose an actress that looks absolutely *nothing* like Ellie at all. I mean is it really that hard to find a real life girl who looks very similar to Ellie? It almost seems like they purposely went with an actress with the exact opposite look. It really takes me out of it looking at the trailers and this doesn't seem like the same Ellie I played and protected in two games.

Andrew NDB 01-16-2023 06:56 PM
Here are the others who were up for the part and auditioned:

https://en.as.com/meristation_en/202...54_936782.html

Damn, I didn't know Kiernan Shipka tried out. A few years ago would have been better, though, as she's looking pretty adult now.

Looks like Kaitlyn Dever had the part for a while but lost it due to COVID delays and aging out. She was a pretty good ringer for Ellie!

Coola Yagami 01-16-2023 07:05 PM
Apparently Bella is 19, so I guess she has that Tom Holland/Zandaya thing where she's stuck looking like a kid.

Yeah, appearance-wise she's a horrible choice. From that article you showed us, the girl on the bottom middle of that grid flat out is Ellie come to life. But eh, you know Hollywood. The article is kissing Bella's ass and acting like 'omg, looks just like Ellie came to life' when no... no she doesn't.



But let's be honest. This is current year. We kinda have to give up on people even trying to get characters looking right. This proves that race-swapping isn't the only way one can horribly miscast someone.

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1953354)

Bella Ramsey is a great actress but -- and this sounds horrible -- she kind of has like a light dusting of "down syndrome face."
I mean....

Andrew NDB 01-17-2023 06:39 PM
Nico Parker, who played Joel's now-black daughter, addresses the "toxic fandom":

https://metro.co.uk/2023/01/16/the-l...-row-18111773/

Coola Yagami 01-18-2023 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1953489)
Nico Parker, who played Joel's now-black daughter, addresses the "toxic fandom":

https://metro.co.uk/2023/01/16/the-l...-row-18111773/
They just can't help themselves.

ChosenOne 01-18-2023 08:45 AM
"Innovative in its inclusiveness"? The first game had one black character... Pretty ridiculous point to make a mountain out of a molehill. Nico was so damn good in the role, maybe even the best in the episode... Just take the win and move on.

Sumac 01-18-2023 12:46 PM
Tis idiots seriously act like before them, all characters were White and Straight.

It doesn't matter that Black characters were in the movies even back in the beginning of 20th century, nah, its all doesn't count. Ignorance of this retards is seriously astonishing, not to mention degrading to people who ACTUALLY accomplished something in the past, when Racism and Sexism were the norm, unlike nowadays.

But who cares about old Black actors, who were pioneers in the movies and White people who, despite common ideology at the time, helped them? Nah, doesn't count, hadn't happened. Its all starts now with our generation!!

****ing clowns.

Coola Yagami 01-18-2023 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ChosenOne (Post 1953527)
"Innovative in its inclusiveness"? The first game had one black character... Pretty ridiculous point to make a mountain out of a molehill. Nico was so damn good in the role, maybe even the best in the episode... Just take the win and move on.
Naw, they'll continue to grandstand and virtue signal. They can't help themselves. They don't even see the actress as a person, just her skin color. Just a prop to wave around.

ChosenOne 01-18-2023 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Sumac (Post 1953540)
Tis idiots seriously act like before them, all characters were White and Straight.

It doesn't matter that Black characters were in the movies even back in the beginning of 20th century, nah, its all doesn't count. Ignorance of this retards is seriously astonishing, not to mention degrading to people who ACTUALLY accomplished something in the past, when Racism and Sexism were the norm, unlike nowadays.

But who cares about old Black actors, who were pioneers in the movies and White people who, despite common ideology at the time, helped them? Nah, doesn't count, hadn't happened. Its all starts now with our generation!!

****ing clowns.
Remember what they tried to do to Gone With the Wind? Hattie did more for the cause than all of them together ever will, I could watch a whole other 3+ hour movie of just her playing that character... And it’s almost like they resent her for it. Utterly insane, these people.

Sumac 01-18-2023 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ChosenOne (Post 1953551)
Remember what they tried to do to Gone With the Wind? Hattie did more for the cause than all of them together ever will, I could watch a whole other 3+ hour movie of just her playing that character... And it’s almost like they resent her for it. Utterly insane, these people.
Those idiots squeal about "culture appropriation", but they are the biggest appropriators of everything else, especially achievements of other people.

Andrew NDB 01-18-2023 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ChosenOne (Post 1953527)
"Innovative in its inclusiveness"? The first game had one black character...
I count 4. Marlene, Henry & Sam, plus the little black girl who Ellie fell in love with in the prelude chapter Neil retconned in (which made the other co-creator walk away from the franchise because she didn't create Ellie as a lesbian but Neil really, reallt wanted that).

It's interesting, also, in the new Last of Us Part I game. I'm looking at the side-by-sides of this version compared to the remastered version from years ago. They've actually gone through and race-swapped some of the Fedra guards. Just on a cursory glance, a black Fedra guy and an Asian Fedra guy are BOTH white guys now. Fancy that!

ChosenOne 01-19-2023 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1953575)
I count 4. Marlene, Henry & Sam, plus the little black girl who Ellie fell in love with in the prelude chapter Neil retconned in (which made the other co-creator walk away from the franchise because she didn't create Ellie as a lesbian).
How could I forget Henry and Sam? Gonna be heartbreaking to watch that in live action. You're quite right, though. Please ignore my previous statement.

Turo602 01-19-2023 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1953575)
I count 4. Marlene, Henry & Sam, plus the little black girl who Ellie fell in love with in the prelude chapter Neil retconned in (which made the other co-creator walk away from the franchise because she didn't create Ellie as a lesbian but Neil really, reallt wanted that).
That's complete bullsh*t. Neil Druckmann was the creative director and writer for The Last of Us. He created Ellie and went in that direction for her. I have no idea who you're referring to, but co-director Bruce Straley didn't leave Naughty Dog until he was done with Uncharted 4 due to Naughty Dog's horrible crunch culture.

Andrew NDB 01-19-2023 02:19 PM
I missed this entirely:

https://dailyhive.com/calgary/the-la...lberta-casting

So they're changing Sam to be deaf. Gotta check that box, now.

Andrew NDB 01-30-2023 02:09 PM
The latest episode is getting "unanimous" praise from critics. What is it? Well, it's the Bill part of the story.

Spoiler:
Except Joel and Ellie never even run into him in the present and he's dead before the episode begins. In the game you run into Bill, get caught up in one of his traps (in one of the game's most memorable sequences) and there's a lot of great back and forth between Bill and Ellie and at the end of the "mission" you find Frank, who Bill suspiciously and repeatedly mentions was his "partner" in the game (which I KNEW they would zero in on in the show), has hung himself and left a hate letter for Bill. In this, all of that is out the window and it's just an hour spent on Bill and Frank's love story in the past before they killed themselves. Meaning there is no point to this episode but to jerk some tears and virtue signal. Bill doesn't assist Ellie's journey because they never even meet now, or can ever meet.

Totally stupid, totally transparent.

IMJ 01-30-2023 02:17 PM
The show has been very watchable so far, but it has a lot of time and a lot of space to jump the shark. I'm just going to watch it as long as it's entertaining and as soon as it starts with the bull$#!(, I'll just stop.

oldmanwinters 01-30-2023 04:00 PM
So I never actually played the game/games or watched any of the show, but I've seen some folks take issue that the series romanticizes assisted suicide. Any legitimacy to that?

Andrew NDB 01-30-2023 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters (Post 1954567)
So I never actually played the game/games or watched any of the show, but I've seen some folks take issue that the series romanticizes assisted suicide. Any legitimacy to that?
This latest episode, yes. Literally romanticizes it.

Spoiler:
Bill helps Frank kill himself and then takes the same poison himself to die. Frank tells him, "That's the most romantic thing I've ever seen."

oldmanwinters 01-30-2023 05:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1954568)
This latest episode, yes. Literally romanticizes it.

Spoiler:
Bill helps Frank kill himself and then takes the same poison himself to die. Frank tells him, "That's the most romantic thing I've ever seen."
Geez, somebody buy that poor guy a dvd of Pixar’s UP or something.

CyberCubed 01-30-2023 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters (Post 1954567)
So I never actually played the game/games or watched any of the show, but I've seen some folks take issue that the series romanticizes assisted suicide. Any legitimacy to that?
If you have a PS4 or PS5 I'd advise to just play the games. They're basically a modern take on Resident Evil, with third person shooting and some puzzle elements but they're more story driven with high production values.

oldmanwinters 01-30-2023 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1954573)
If you have a PS4 or PS5 I'd advise to just play the games. They're basically a modern take on Resident Evil, with third person shooting and some puzzle elements but they're more story driven with high production values.
I do own the original on PS3, just not the dedication to really dig into it.

Dpooly84 01-30-2023 10:18 PM
I'm really enjoy this series, but didn't care for this episode. Episode 3 doesn't seem like the episode to throw away on characters that have no effect on the story. I don't have any problems with the homosexuality, it just seems like a big nothing of an episode. Also why does Hollywood seem to think that gays and women will be the ones to survive a zombie apocalypse? I'm not saying they can't but Hollywood seems to think that gays and women will just be running **** if the world falls apart and natural selection says different.

Andrew NDB 01-30-2023 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dpooly84 (Post 1954598)
I'm really enjoy this series, but didn't care for this episode. Episode 3 doesn't seem like the episode to throw away on characters that have no effect on the story.
A bunch of people right now are going around saying, "This is the best piece of TV I've seen in years" about the episode but C'MON. It was well acted and staged and all but it didn't do anything to further Joel or Ellie's journeys. They took a whole sequence in the game that actually advanced both characters (mostly Ellie) and decided to actually completely change it to where it has nothing to do with them.

Dpooly84 01-30-2023 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1954599)
A bunch of people right now are going around saying, "This is the best piece of TV I've seen in years" about the episode but C'MON. It was well acted and staged and all but it didn't do anything to further Joel or Ellie's journeys. They took a whole sequence in the game that actually advanced both characters (mostly Ellie) and decided to actually completely change it to where it has nothing to do with them.
That's my only problem, it literally did nothing to progress the story. What's the point? Love will prevail? Isn't that the point of the whole series?

Andrew NDB 01-30-2023 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dpooly84 (Post 1954601)
That's my only problem, it literally did nothing to progress the story. What's the point? Love will prevail?
And barring that, hey, let's join the Suicide Squad.

Separately, they made such a big thing about Bill's combat preparedness and training (as they should)... yet raiders finally come and his strategy is to stand in the middle of an open street, standing still and just shooting at them?

Dpooly84 01-31-2023 12:59 AM
It just didn't fit.

ChosenOne 01-31-2023 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Dpooly84 (Post 1954601)
That's my only problem, it literally did nothing to progress the story. What's the point? Love will prevail? Isn't that the point of the whole series?
Rewatch the last five minutes, this episode shifted Joel's focus towards becoming Ellie's protector at all costs. It's quite a big deal in retrospect, considering their relationship thus far. Plus, it'll nab the show an Emmy or two, which isn't too shabby either.

IMJ 01-31-2023 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1954603)
yet raiders finally come and his strategy is to stand in the middle of an open street, standing still and just shooting at them?
That was the first thing I said when that scene played out and the boyfriend goes out looking for him.

I'm like - "he's got an entire block of houses, retaining wall and other cover but he's standing in the middle of the open street while firing with a scoped rifle nonetheless. He could've been in his upper bedroom window, ten feet back from the glass in a corner with that scope and never been seen while firing. My guess is that the writers needed him injured for the sole purpose of conveying that Joel had become a trusted person in their lives when Bill gives him the "Joel will take care of you speech".

It was a solid episode. The newest excuse for liberal media and award shows to do a messy jerk-off on each other while grunting and screaming "stunning and brave! Stunning and brave!"

Bahamut810 01-31-2023 04:02 PM
I agree with both sides of this argument.

Should the show be more centered on our beloved protagonists?
Yes.
Was Episode 3 good?
Yes. Very good. I felt feels, and normally I don't feel feels.

Both can be right. I only think there are two other characters that this may happened to in the series where they take focus away from Joel and Elly and that probably wont happen till later on. The Firefly lady and another guy who is...
Spoiler:
the cult leader

IMJ 01-31-2023 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bahamut810 (Post 1954657)
I agree with both sides of this argument.

Should the show be more centered on our beloved protagonists?
Yes.
Was Episode 3 good?
Yes. Very good. I felt feels, and normally I don't feel feels.

Both can be right. I only think there are two other characters that this may happened to in the series where they take focus away from Joel and Elly and that probably wont happen till later on. The Firefly lady and another guy who is...
Spoiler:
the cult leader
Were those two guys in the game? I've never played the game, but I know that it's a liberal social-justice jerk-off fest when it comes to character design and counter-culture this or that....

I thought the episode was solid, but it was so cliche that it bordered on melodrama as for the feels part. It lacked tact and awareness for caricature, but it was still able to make you feel for and have respect for the two guys for sure.

Andrew NDB 01-31-2023 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by IMJ (Post 1954664)
Were those two guys in the game?
Bill was a big part of the game, joining Joel and Ellie on their journey for a decent portion of it. At the end of it we met Frank, but he'd already hung himself and left a hate note for Bill that basically he was sick of him. Bill referred to him a few times as having been his "partner" so the seed was planted early on that they may or may not have been gay lovers.





So, yes... radically different than what the episode did.

AquaParade 01-31-2023 07:14 PM
Episode 3 has some beautiful moments but was too painful and slow for me. I don’t need that many quiet, depressing, drawn out moments in a row to drive the point home.

Maybe this is why I like movies more than television series. You don’t have time to draw stuff out like this.

And I’m not talking about stories being “slow”. I like slow. “2001” is one of my favorite films.

I’m still into the show, I just didn’t need quite that much of Bill.

IMJ 01-31-2023 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AquaParade (Post 1954691)
Episode 3 has some beautiful moments but was too painful and slow for me. I don’t need that many quiet, depressing, drawn out moments in a row to drive the point home.

Maybe this is why I like movies more than television series. You don’t have time to draw stuff out like this.

And I’m not talking about stories being “slow”. I like slow. “2001” is one of my favorite films.

I’m still into the show, I just didn’t need quite that much of Bill.
Well you know... you've always got Swamp Thing coming to slowly move around a swamp and then slowly go back into the water after softly radiating some green swamp energy into the world. So you can look forward to that. There will even be a scene where a flower slowly opens up and you can watch the pedals. It will be nice - you won't have to take your lithium that day!

:lol::lol:

:teek:

AquaParade 01-31-2023 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by IMJ (Post 1954697)
Well you know... you've always got Swamp Thing coming to slowly move around a swamp and then slowly go back into the water after softly radiating some green swamp energy into the world. So you can look forward to that.

:lol::lol:

:teek:
“The Brave and the Bold” is a Batman movie set in the DCU.

In case you stilllll don’t get it.

Dpooly84 02-02-2023 01:52 PM
Cbm is saying the episode 3 is being review bombed lol no people just didn't like it. Why is it every time people don't like something they claim review bombing?

ChosenOne 02-02-2023 02:57 PM
Who didn’t like it? Everyone I've seen discuss/react to it or talked about it with loved it.

Bahamut810 02-02-2023 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ChosenOne (Post 1954884)
Who didn’t like it? Everyone I've seen discuss/react to it or talked about it with loved it.
I have seen *very* few people say they didnt like it. Most of the dislike I have seen was about how it took focus away from Ellie and Joel by a long shot and offered a fluff piece which is completely understandable.

Dpooly84 02-02-2023 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Bahamut810 (Post 1954893)
I have seen *very* few people say they didnt like it. Most of the dislike I have seen was about how it took focus away from Ellie and Joel by a long shot and offered a fluff piece which is completely understandable.
That part. It was a very stunning and brave and I guess beautiful love story but it halted the progression of the story for no reason


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