Paramount Plus and TMNT
 

Paramount Plus has launched. It's a streaming service that brings the content from their previous service CBS All Access together with new and legacy content from Nickelodeon, BET and others under a new umbrella to better compete with Netflix, HBO Max, Disney+, Apple TV+, and the other popular streaming destinations.

TMNT Social media accounts have posted that lots of legacy TMNT content is now available there to stream. It looks like this service will be a hub for lots of TMNT content down the road, especially after the upcoming Netflix deals have come and gone.

I won't get into all the offerings of the service. You can research more here and here.

My question is, if new and exclusive TMNT content like a new series, direct-to-paramount-plus movie or the like came to Paramount Plus, would you want that? Do you think a streaming service might have more to offer TMNT than the standard Nick channels (larger budget, possibility for teen or adult rated content, etc.)

Look at the new CGI Spongebob companion series launching there for an example of the quality it might have if they did.

I suspect we may see some exclusive TMNT content there at some point, possibly starting with the upcoming "TMNT: The Next Chapter", so I wanted to get a thread started where we can discuss the service and what it might bring for TMNT, as well as get peoples current impressions of the service if you already subscribe or are thinking about doing so soon.

I guess my dream would be for a new live action series featuring suits like the 90s TMNT films, only done at a higher production level similar to DC's Titans or modern Power Rangers shows. Next Mutation was a long time ago, I think it's something worth looking into for them.

According to the TMNT twitter. Rise will be added later this month.
https://twitter.com/TMNT/status/1367502317289955328

I can see some exclusive stuff from TMNT coming to Paramount+ down the line. Also that CGI movie from Seth Rogen, I bet that one will be on Paramount+ after 45 days of its theatrical run.

Well, first off, the 2003 show should already be on there and I know Rise is coming. I would also also assume the PD movies, the 2012 show and possibly those shorts will be on there. I assume the Fred Wolf cartoon, the OVA, the 90's movies, the 2007 movie and Next Mutation won't be due to copyright issues.

As for original content? As in what I would like or what's more probable?
In terms of what I would like... I do have some ideas of what might work:

• A series of more accurate animated movie adaptations of the major Mirage Studios arcs.
• A series adapting IDW up until issue 100 (Just change it so that Jennika and Krang really die, Hob's bomb fail and a few other key changes to tie up the loose plot threads).
• An movie, possibly live-action, based on Last Ronin.
• Standalone shows featuring characters like Casey and the Fugitoid as main characters, not so much spin-offs as attempts to make these characters work divorced from the TMNT.

But as for what's probable... Nickelodeon is on life support, it'll probably get shut down around 2025 or so, maybe it'll last beyond 2030 but I seriously doubt it. The kiddy section of Paramount+ (which might get labelled as Nickelodeon) will probably replace the channel, meaning the new TMNT content on the service won't be too disimilar from the 2012 show or Rise.

Hm, why do you say that? All TV channels ratings are down from 10+ years ago, but I don't think the channel is in trouble. They can just air Spongebob 24/7 and that alone would keep them afloat.

A channel that literally only exists for the purpose of airing episodes of a single show is practiacally dead already. It's a goddamned zombie of a channel at that point.

I would like a continuation of 2003 series,but I doubt that would happen.

I will not be giving Paramount+ money.

As far as I’m aware the cast were all non-union, so they’d have to replace the entire cast as well as creating new stories etc, probably without the old creative crew (and certainly without Peter Laird), so I doubt it’ll happen

I really hate that so much has become streaming exclusive. We’ve literally gone backwards in TV formats. Netflix makes sense and Amazon Prime but that’s about it. Maybe Disney+ is ok (I don’t have it though).

Now everyone thinks they’re worthy of having a streaming service when it’s just breaking apart franchises and new content that would have been widely available to anyone with a decent tv provider.

I know companies just want part of the success that Netflix started but I really believe it’ll balance out at some point and someone will figure out how to bundle things again or at least make them more practical. It’s ridiculous how many there are now.

I complained when Cartoon Network/Boomerang created a streaming service moved new Scooby content to it. They do eventually air reruns on TV but after like a year. Sorry but all those old cartoons are NOT worthy of a paid streaming service when they’ve been in reruns for decades upon decades.

They still show old cartoons on Boomerang so I don’t know what the point of their service is. Portability?

I’d have to agree with this to an extent. I don’t even have Netflix, admittedly, because, while some of its exclusives are tempting to me, I wish I didn’t have to pay monthly for a service I wouldn’t even be using 24/7. Sadly, I know I’m in the minority there...

As for TMNT in particular, whether it becomes exclusive to Paramount Plus or not, I admittedly don’t have the best hopes for the franchise, especially since it’s already been established that Nick only has one real hit show right now, which isn’t even a new one.

People must stop paying for streaming services and then they will all die. When this happens Diseny, Netflix, Warner Bros and Paramount will be forced to make again some real tv channels(not stream services) and air all of their series there like they used to do until this crazyness with streaming services started!!

You don't have to pay for any streaming service, I certainly don't and I watch whatever I want.

Meh, streaming won’t go away. This is the future.

Even before we have exclusives on each tv channel, this is no different. I think it’s a healthy competition.

What’s in store for TMNT, we’ll see. If it’s really good, people will come flocking to the platform just like The Mandalorian and Wandavision did for Disney Plus.

Not everyone wants to be like you.

Yeah, there's nothing more vulgar than a rich f*cking thief.

Guy's got half a million in the bank and he's nickel-and-diming on how he watches TV. And bragging about it incessantly. That's how you make friends. :roll:

"Bread for your starving family" this ain't, and you ain't Robin Hood. You're not "fighting the Man," you're just a selfish, greedy bastard who thinks rules don't apply to you. That doesn't make you smart, it just means you're a narcissist and a sociopath.

I try to like you, but you make it really hard sometimes.

For a franchise whose cartoons are partly dependent on toy sales and needing to draw enough attention to get that interest, what good would it be to restrict viewership to only those willing to buy the streaming service. Sure, put it on there for people who have given up cable and can't see it on regular tv, but don't put it there exclusively.

It's almost as if paying for cable used to be understood as already paying for content from these companies.

I just gotta be blunt... I don't think Nick has made one single good decision since they bought the franchise.

They've made some money, sure, but one figures they could make a lot more than they have, if only they tried a little harder. Like yeah, they already made their money back, but every effort they've put forth was pretty halfhearted, except maybe the NickToon.

I always get the feeling like Nick went into the whole TMNT endeavor with very low expectations, and so long as those expectations are met they have no urgency to actually try and grow the brand or improve the situation.

This will fail, way too late to the party. HBO Max will likely never be big despite all the money AT&T is pouring into it, Disney was only able to make it because of their strong brand & all the money they put into it but mainly also releasing during the pandemic and a year earlier. I see no TNM so no subscription from me. Paramount just doesn't have the money to keep up with the major players in the game.

Yeah, for the most part.

The 2012 show did well and that's great. They let the Batman vs. TMNT thing happen and for the most part it turned out pretty awesome. Probably because they must have just let DC do their thing and kept their own hand out of it, but still, they were brave enough to allow it. (And more shocking, have aired it on Nick, albeit a little edited.) They've also allowed Last Ronin to happen and sounds like it is also doing well. There's some small ray of light there, but so far they aren't taking it and running with it. That we know of.

But for some reason they keep on failing to acknowledge that an older audience would be a viable target for a series. :tgrumble: Maybe they have behind closed doors after the bombing of Rise and not capturing their target audience for it, I dunno. But it has bugged me that they haven't bothered despite their overall company owning more channels than just Nick. If they ONLY had Nick and were simply clueless and unable to go elsewhere, fine... but they have plenty of other channels with content for older audiences. I don't think it would be that hard to just hand it off to someone else under the company umbrella that might know how to do something that isn't just for little children.

I just started a free trial. I won't subscribe, as I really try to limit my monthly fee's, but I thought it might be fun to browse around. I was hoping they'd have the original cartoon, because I was feeling nostalgic.

I ended up watching like 5 episodes of "The Real World" from the early 2000's. Pretty disgusted with myself. I'm not one to be shy about ripping on reality television, but seeing it for the first time in a while, it's almost as addictive as it is grotesque. I suppose just appeals to the lowly versions of ourselves that like to judge others and eavesdrop on drama.

I also watched a few episodes of the animated "Aeon Flux". I'd always meant to check this show out and I'm glad I did. Utterly strange and fascinating. I can't decide whether it makes me even more uncomfortable than "The Real World", but either way, it's much more impressive and recommendable.

Wow, I remember catching Aeon Flux sometimes as a young teen back in the day...and rarely knowing what was even going on. lol

Is there much new content, or is most of the service just paying to watch reruns?


Saw an ad for it that showed a quick glance at the 2003 TMNT. They need to use them more. Remind people what a good show looked like.

Either that or if anything, they had high expectations thinking "TMNT is a brand as big, if not bigger than Batman and Spiderman so anything we do with this brand will make $$$." :P

Though I'm torn because I'd like to think any company could do better but I also fear any company could do worse. :(

Nah, the TMNT franchise was in dire straights by 2007-2009. The 4th movie didn't exactly light the box office on fire, and of course the 2k3 series was wrapping up its run with the final seasons. Then Volume 4/Tales more or less ended by 2010 (besides the few issues PL got out after).

TMNT would have been dead the entire 2010 decade if it wasn't for the 2012 cartoon and IDW getting the comics license.

Viacom doesn't mind having evergreen IP die, that's why it was always a concern to me. They now want to be late in the game in reviving franchises for fans. I think they'll still take a break after the movie and cartoon failure they just had and focus on what's hot like Avatar. But we'll see I do think Viacom was a mistake but can't see any other company that would've treated the franchise better really, no matter who bought them it was going to be 1987 Turtles all the way.

What idiot honestly thinks that? :lol:

No Things > Lots Of Things, All Bad

For as much as I bang on them for some of their business decisions, WB/DC would absolutely not have been that. They would have put out several different projects aimed at different audiences the way they did with He-Man for 10 years. Their main series was a very grown-up and violent PG-13/R-rated series that was like a more serious Lord of the Rings, whereas their Thundercats and Injustice cross-overs were more suitable for all ages in their presentation.

I don't love a lot of the decisions WB makes. But they're the only major company that understands that popular licensed properties don't have to be 100% Kiddie Town, and their general output reflects that. There's zero chance that they would have spent all of their time regurgitating FW.

I guess they simply didn't care enough at the time to pay an exorbitant amount of money to buy what was at the time a "dead" brand. Shame. Unless Viacom gets bored and sells it to them, there's no chance to fix that particular mistake.

Yeah, if someone else was to buy them, I'm not even sure who would actually be reasonable. :ohwell: With Nick I guess there at least isn't really a sea of similar properties for them to get lost among, the way they might if one of the big comic companies had them, but Nick really needs to hire people who know what to do with them.

I literally just explained it. :lol:

And I'm literally skeptical of that.

That's because you didn't see how masterfully they handled the He-Man license. :trazz:

Seriously though, if the question is "Can any big-name corporation balance the TMNT brand on multiple fronts, while appealing to both the kids and the older audience?" then the answer is, "WB has been doing that with several properties for a very long time already." They're more or less the ONLY company at present that even makes an attempt to do so, if we're looking at it objectively. Who else even tries?

All the VAs continued to work after this,so IDK if that's still a big deal.
Why couldn't they get the original writers back? Im pretty sure all of them still work in the field. (I know this is just theoretical and will probably never happen)

True, and if the union thing is an issue...even if they weren't union back then, they very well could be by now.

I mean,freaking Goku voiced a dozen or so episodic characters.

I found a 30 day trial code and made an account just to look around.

They have every season of the 2003 series on there, just wanted to share.

Video quality appears to be 480p (DVD), but might be upscaled. Just in case anyone was hoping for some new HD versions... no.

Thanks for the heads up Zulithe!

Im surprised 2012 and Rise arent on there as they were fully made by Nick.

Im guessing the movie rights and 1987 show are not owned by Viacom since they are not there either?

Viacom split the TMNT catalogue across at least 3 streaming platforms. Original cartoon is on Amazon Prime IIRC.

There is a website where you can buy bootleg versions of the complete 2K3 series on blu ray. No clue what the resolution is, but it looks like at least a little effort was put into the packaging, which is cool.

I find Etsy to be a really fun website to browse for things on.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNYEQtxJOmh/

Eps 1 - 20 of Rise Season 1 are now on paramount plus

Why not the full series?

I can only presume that they want to roll out the episodes over time so that they can ensure they have a steady stream of new content

That image is a homage to the first movie's poster.

https://scontent-mia3-2.cdninstagram..._nc_sid=86f79a