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CyberCubed 03-04-2021 06:54 PM

Have you ever been personally offended by a piece of media so far?
 
Be honest. Whether it be a movie, a TV show, a videogame, lyrics in music, a commercial, virtually anything...have you ever found something personally offensive?

IndigoErth 03-04-2021 07:46 PM

Uh, yeah. As a women it's kind of a given throughout life that there has long been a trend of various media depicting women in ways that were insulting and/or unnecessarily objectifying or whatnot. No mystery there.


edit: If you want stuff that's less broadly insulting... glasses stereotypes have always irked me, as well as my state being treated as nothing or barely existing.

Galactus 03-04-2021 07:53 PM

No but then there is very little media which really goes after straight white males in any severe way.

CyberCubed 03-04-2021 07:57 PM

I am also a straight white cis het male, so nothing offends me even though white people are portrayed as stupid, violent, silly, arrogant or plain evil virtually all the time everywhere.

Case in point, Homer Simpson is "white" technically, and he's allowed to be an idiot and nobody minds. If The Simpsons were black, having Homer act the way he does probably wouldn't fly.

Prowler 03-04-2021 08:04 PM

Personally offended? No. I'll roll my eyes or laugh if I see something completely wrongly depicted in foreign media, like the 1987 TMNT episode where they go to Portugal. All of that episode was entirely wrong. Portugal had bullfighting but there's no such thing as a bullfighting festival in Lisbon nor are there any bulls roaming my city's streets. Lisbon is not Pamplona in Spain. :lol:

And I don't mind the Portuguese fishermen jokes in Family Guy. I can even accept the fact they speak with a Brazilian accent. Seth MacFarlane said the Portuguese jokes in Family Guy are sort of an inside joke between him and his good portuguese friend. It's most likely done on purpose. Plus, it's ****ing Family Guy. They make fun of EVERYONE :lol:

Haven't seen any Holywood movies set in Portugal, but everytime they try to depict a non-American country or nationality they get it wrong 99% of the time, anyway. I think it's either laziness or a running joke at this point. So no point getting annoyed by it.

As for other stuff... I'm not religious nor am I gay or anything like that, so none of the jokes on TV about those subjects or people hurt me.

Really, at the end of the day TV isn't real life. I know exactly who am I. I don't need Family Guy to tell me what portuguese people are like. I'll just talk to my family members or my acquaintances :P. Certain kinds of fictional character archetypes fit certain stories better. No one wants to see a boring average Joe on TV. People want to be entertained.

neatoman 03-04-2021 08:20 PM

If we're talking fiction, no. Fiction can piss me off with how bad it is, or I can feel annoyed with it in some fashion but I don't know if it can offend me. Like I think TMNT Out of the Shadows is absolute travesy of a movie, the production of Power Rangers baffles me in how pointless it all is and I think Star Trek Discovery is a jackass creation. But none of them really offend me.

On the other hand, there can be documentaries and and educational content that actually offends me if their intention is to spread misinformation. That's actually offensive since the goal is clearly to mislead and deceive people.

Andrew NDB 03-04-2021 08:31 PM

Nothing. Not one thing.

Coola Yagami 03-04-2021 08:34 PM

Honestly can't think of a single time, like ever.

I admit sometimes Hispanic characters overdo the 'ese' and 'homes' and whatever else, we get it, you're Hispanic, but like, to say 'offended' is too strong a word. I just carry on with my day.

Andrew NDB 03-04-2021 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami (Post 1882909)
I admit sometimes Hispanic characters overdo the 'ese' and 'homes' and whatever else, we get it, you're Hispanic

If anything, I get offended by interviews and speeches of writers/directors/actors telling me what I want to see (i.e., as a Hispanic, that I must always be craving seeing other Hispanics because only then can I identify with characters on the screen)... but nothing in the Art itself. Even if it's borne of nonsense ideology and the latest "hip" identity politics.

Leo656 03-04-2021 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami (Post 1882909)
Honestly can't think of a single time, like ever.

I admit sometimes Hispanic characters overdo the 'ese' and 'homes' and whatever else, we get it, you're Hispanic, but like, to say 'offended' is too strong a word. I just carry on with my day.

As an Irish guy I'm about as white (or "translucent") as they come, and much as I loved the guy Eddy Guerrero's entire WWE run was nothing but cringe. He was never a good promo guy anyways and all his BEST matches were in WCW, but every single promo he ever cut in WWE was just him saying "ese", "ese vato" and "homes" every time he stopped for breath. Like sometimes he'd pause for breath and you could see it in his eyes, "Oh, sh*t, I forgot to 'Spic It Up'!" and then he'd very awkwardly cram one of them in there just to get it in there. It was even worse because while he is of Chicano heritage, he was born in Texas and English was his first language, so the "forced stereotype" thing rang extremely false on account of the fact that Eddy Guerrero was in fact rather "white" for a Mexican, objectively-speaking. Seriously, watch any of his many WCW promos between 1997 and 1999, and then watch him overnight become a completely different guy in WWE. Even when he was the leader of the "Latino World Order" he wasn't a full-blown Speedy Gonzales cartoon yet.

I didn't find it "offensive", exactly, just very annoying because I knew for a fact the guy didn't actually speak like that. I just find his entire WWE career very hard to watch for that reason (the 40 extra pounds of steroid muscle that led him to drop dead at age 38 was also extremely uncomfortable to watch; suffice to say I was in no way shocked when he up and keeled over). I think the oft-corroborated stories about Vince McMahon later telling Carlito to "Spic It Up" (using those exact words) when he spoke was pretty offensive, but mostly because "How does a billionaire not realize that you can't exactly just up and say that to someone's face in the 21st Century?" Like it's less that he said it and more the complete lack of self awareness on his part. But then Vince's lack of self-awareness is legendary.
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As for me myself... I was highly offended by the ChickBusters movie.

Wildcat 03-05-2021 01:06 AM

Honestly...once. The Family Guy episode where Carter has the cure for cancer. Before everyone gets upset I love Family Guy and other adult comedy. I just think this this 1 episode went a little too far.

It goes absolutely nowhere and ends with just...yup he’s horrible or the devil or whatever the joke was. It was all pointless to me and felt like an excuse to use cancer as a plot line.

If he was caught (even by Lois) it would have come off differently. It should have ended on a high note is all I’m saying. Don’t make that the plot of a whole episode just for the sake of it.

Edit: I just looked up the episode and Lois does find out. It’s been a really long time since I’ve seen it. I still think the ending was dumb.

FredWolfLeonardo 03-05-2021 01:17 AM

I am offended by all forms of media that advocate degeneracy and immorality.

ssjup81 03-05-2021 02:00 AM

Personally offended, no, not really. Have I ever smacked my forehead over something completely stupid...sure, but that's about it.

I feel more offended by fools that believe the stereotypes of certain groups of people and try to apply them to the entire group. Well, maybe not offended, but it is an annoyance.

ZariusTwo 03-05-2021 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Galactus (Post 1882896)
No but then there is very little media which really goes after straight white males in any severe way.

You keep telling yourself that. I'm sure one day you'll actually believe it.

Leo656 03-05-2021 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat (Post 1882943)
Honestly...once. The Family Guy episode where Carter has the cure for cancer. Before everyone gets upset I love Family Guy and other adult comedy. I just think this this 1 episode went a little too far.

It goes absolutely nowhere and ends with just...yup he’s horrible or the devil or whatever the joke was. It was all pointless to me and felt like an excuse to use cancer as a plot line.

If he was caught (even by Lois) it would have come off differently. It should have ended on a high note is all I’m saying. Don’t make that the plot of a whole episode just for the sake of it.

Edit: I just looked up the episode and Lois does find out. It’s been a really long time since I’ve seen it. I still think the ending was dumb.

The entire point of Family Guy past Season 1 is that every single character is an absolute sh*tbag. That's like, the entire show.

frank_one 03-05-2021 07:54 AM

Never been offended. I'm very tolerant, for the most part I don't give it a f~ck. Also, as an Italian I can say that most of the stuff you hear about Italians, even the worst, is... actually true :D

Papenbrook 03-05-2021 07:58 AM

Yes.

Plenty of times, in fact.

Andrew NDB 03-05-2021 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Papenbrook (Post 1882980)
Yes.

Plenty of times, in fact.

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Leo656 03-05-2021 08:32 AM

Dawg, I heard that Kraken got deeply offended by her own breakfast this morning. :lol:

The waffles and the toast were clearly conspiring against her already, but the kicker was when the Rice Krispies got together and sang out loud "Snap, Crackle, F*ck This Kid." :lol::lol::lol:

To be fair, I think I might also be a bit miffed if I found myself in that situation. But I'd probably get over it pretty quickly.

CyberCubed 03-05-2021 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo (Post 1882945)
I am offended by all forms of media that advocate degeneracy and immorality.

That's most of fiction.

sdp 03-05-2021 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo (Post 1882945)
I am offended by all forms of media that advocate degeneracy and immorality.

That's my favorite type of media.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1882981)

To her defense you get outraged just as much as Papenbrook.

ABrown 03-05-2021 09:39 AM

No, not even close.

Coola Yagami 03-05-2021 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wildcat (Post 1882943)
Honestly...once. The Family Guy episode where Carter has the cure for cancer. Before everyone gets upset I love Family Guy and other adult comedy. I just think this this 1 episode went a little too far.

It goes absolutely nowhere and ends with just...yup he’s horrible or the devil or whatever the joke was. It was all pointless to me and felt like an excuse to use cancer as a plot line.

If he was caught (even by Lois) it would have come off differently. It should have ended on a high note is all I’m saying. Don’t make that the plot of a whole episode just for the sake of it.

Edit: I just looked up the episode and Lois does find out. It’s been a really long time since I’ve seen it. I still think the ending was dumb.

I mean in all honesty, Big Pharma would hide or kill whoever created the cure for cancer. Helping people fight it off is big business and you know they value money over human lives.

CyberCubed 03-05-2021 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami (Post 1882909)
I admit sometimes Hispanic characters overdo the 'ese' and 'homes' and whatever else, we get it, you're Hispanic, but like, to say 'offended' is too strong a word. I just carry on with my day.

Every time a black or spanish person is on TV they always seem to be written the same way:

- They're from "da hood"
- Or if they're educated, they have family or "came from the hood" and now they "made it in the world"
- They say things like, "Dat's phat," "Yo, dawg," "Homie," "Oh snap," "ese," and, "Dios mio."
- Most of them either do drugs or know people who do drugs, weed, crack, crystal meth
- If they're black/spanish in a primarily white show, they're always the "token minority" who interests with all the white characters
- They all own guns
- They all face discrimination of some kind especially if they're in interracial relationships

It's the same thing with Russians, where they all say, "Da!' and "For the glory of mother Russia!"

I wonder if everything I learned about other races from TV shows and movies was a lie.

Leo656 03-05-2021 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami (Post 1883002)
I mean in all honesty, Big Pharma would hide or kill whoever created the cure for cancer. Helping people fight it off is big business and you know they value money over human lives.

I am almost 100% certain that this has already happened.

Although interestingly enough, they recently publicly announced a link between abusing pharmaceutical medications and various common types of cancer. Which is interesting. Now, I'm no doctor, but I kind of already knew (or assumed) that much to be true. I mean, smoking causes cancer, alcohol abuse can cause cancer, steroids cause cancer, artificial sweeteners cause cancer... even as a kid it just seemed like common sense to me that "You consistently introduce foreign substances into your body over a period of several years or even decades... yeah, I *think* that's probably how you get cancer." Like maybe not ALL the time, I'm sure that there's like a "random tumor generator" since it does sometimes seem to happen for no reason to some people. But I'm also pretty sure that if you take a lot of medications, then your odds shoot through the roof. Again, I'm no doctor... but the math checks out.

And I'm pretty sure that link was never investigated or spoke of out loud before now because keeping people hooked on pills has been big business for the past few decades, and if they came out and said "By the way, these things absolutely give you cancer" then more people might just take a risk on being bipolar or depressed or tired or whatever else they take pills for. But if that's true, it's odd that they'd suddenly come out and say there's a link, or a suspected link.

It's all very strange. But I do think that "they" know, and have always known, a lot more about cancer (including what causes it and how to get rid of it) than we mere mortals are "allowed" to know. I mean, that's what happens when the scientists who did the study that said Aspartame was safe were paid to do the study by the company that was manufacturing Aspartame. Just for example. It's not a question of "Are they lying to us?", it's a question of how MUCH, and How Big.

Coola Yagami 03-05-2021 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1883011)
I am almost 100% certain that this has already happened.

Although interestingly enough, they recently publicly announced a link between abusing pharmaceutical medications and various common types of cancer. Which is interesting. Now, I'm no doctor, but I kind of already knew (or assumed) that much to be true. I mean, smoking causes cancer, alcohol abuse can cause cancer, steroids cause cancer, artificial sweeteners cause cancer... even as a kid it just seemed like common sense to me that "You consistently introduce foreign substances into your body over a period of several years or even decades... yeah, I *think* that's probably how you get cancer." Like maybe not ALL the time, I'm sure that there's like a "random tumor generator" since it does sometimes seem to happen for no reason to some people. But I'm also pretty sure that if you take a lot of medications, then your odds shoot through the roof. Again, I'm no doctor... but the math checks out.

And I'm pretty sure that link was never investigated or spoke of out loud before now because keeping people hooked on pills has been big business for the past few decades, and if they came out and said "By the way, these things absolutely give you cancer" then more people might just take a risk on being bipolar or depressed or tired or whatever else they take pills for. But if that's true, it's odd that they'd suddenly come out and say there's a link, or a suspected link.

It's all very strange. But I do think that "they" know, and have always known, a lot more about cancer (including what causes it and how to get rid of it) than we mere mortals are "allowed" to know. I mean, that's what happens when the scientists who did the study that said Aspartame was safe were paid to do the study by the company that was manufacturing Aspartame. Just for example. It's not a question of "Are they lying to us?", it's a question of how MUCH, and How Big.

Yeah cause after years and years and YEARS and YEARS of money being donated to 'the fight against cancer' and 'the search for the cure', like... what has been happening? What the **** are these eggheads actually DOING? Like I know we don't have flying cars and self-lacing shoes but still, it's 2021 and you telling me these studies that have been going on for decades have still not found a cure or some sort of preventive measure? ********.

Like even HIV/AIDS, I believe, have developed enough meds and stuff where someone that has it can still live a full life. Why are the cancer researchers napping on this?

Andrew NDB 03-05-2021 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sdp (Post 1882995)
To her defense you get outraged just as much as Papenbrook.

In a world where just pointing things out = outrage... I guess?

P.S. That's weird.

Leo656 03-05-2021 10:36 AM

D'you ever wonder what "sdp" stands for?

Something tells me that's seriously key to all of this.

I mean, I know what it stands for in my head... but none of those things are probably The Truth. :lol:

IndigoErth 03-05-2021 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1883020)
In a world where just pointing things out = outrage... I guess?

P.S. That's weird.

I mean... in theory, if something lands on someone's radar enough that they feel it worth discussing/complaining over, then it may be at least somewhat true...



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Everyone keeps saying things are more of an annoyance, but that's a pretty thin line. What is an annoyance but an irritation that insults someone's limits of patience, tolerance, sensibilities or standards.

Andrew NDB 03-05-2021 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth (Post 1883038)
I mean... in theory, if something lands on someone's radar enough that they feel it worth discussing/complaining over, then it may be at least somewhat true

No, I don't think that's what that word means. It's not even close.

IMJ 03-05-2021 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndigoErth (Post 1883038)
I mean... in theory, if something lands on someone's radar enough that they feel it worth discussing/complaining over, then it may be at least somewhat true...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1883083)
No, I don't think that's what that word means. It's not even close.

This was quiet possibly the most telling and important exchange on the forums in relation to Clown World and I don't know if anyone really understands why.....

I'm stone serious too.

mrmaczaps 03-05-2021 06:08 PM

Being offended is a choice.

Leo656 03-05-2021 07:01 PM

Not if you went to college in either NY, MA or CA.

Then "being offended" is a sacred oath you swear to carry to your grave. :lol:

IndigoErth 03-05-2021 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IMJ (Post 1883092)
This was quiet possibly the most telling

No, using terms like "clown world" wins by a long shot.

Wildcat 03-05-2021 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1882976)
The entire point of Family Guy past Season 1 is that every single character is an absolute sh*tbag. That's like, the entire show.

I know they shifted from typical storylines to whatever they think is funny but I don’t think they needed a whole episode on this.

I’ve always felt Family Guy is good at setting up jokes and punchlines even if they don’t really matter to the story. They usually fit the narrative and are funny. I don’t hold it against them or anything. I’ve never stopped watching.

I just thought this was one episode was a little too much. We already know Carter is horrible. It’s not like they were trying to expose him. He’s not real.

If it had a clever ending it’d be different. Maybe have someone else discover a cure so he rushes to reveal his because he wants all the credit. Could have had Stewie or someone pretending to be a doctor that tricks him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami (Post 1883002)
I mean in all honesty, Big Pharma would hide or kill whoever created the cure for cancer. Helping people fight it off is big business and you know they value money over human lives.

I read the other posts but didn’t wanna quote all that.

Seriously? There’s no cure for cancer because it can happen in literally any part of the body all with different reasons. That’s why it’s worse if it spreads because it’s no longer 1 type. Even if there was 1 cure there’d be multiple other types without one.

If there was a cure for any cancer “Big Pharma” would make a ton of money from it. It’d be a medical phenomenon. Every company would want to get in on it because it’d more valuable than most anything.

Leo656 03-05-2021 11:47 PM

"Treatment" is where the money is. Not "cure". Cure means fewer sick people paying into the system, treatment means keeping people "just okay" but still paying huge amounts of money into staying alive.

Long game, buddy. All about the long game.

Wildcat 03-06-2021 12:20 AM

It’s technically true that long term treatment would cost more but do you actually believe the medical industry would hide a cure for any type just to milk some extra money when they’d have a the ultimate solution?

Anyone who would need it would be willing to pay for it. Every pharmaceutical company would want to produce and distribute their own versions.

Leo656 03-06-2021 12:31 AM

My Dad worked for Big Pharma for almost 30 years, so... yes, I do.

"These people don't give a f*ck about anybody. It's all about the money." That was an oft-quoted refrain. He was pretty sure they had the cancer gimmick on lockdown back then, too. These aren't new ideas.

Whatever a company would get as a one-time payout for a big cure, it's a pittance compared to what they've taken in over the last 50 years in treatments. As well as what they stand to earn in decades to come.

I've said this before, but you could stand to be less naive and more cynical, sometimes. Just because people (or a corporation) are in a position to "save lives" doesn't mean they're actually going to do that because it's "the right thing to do." Not when they can make a lot more money doing the alternative.

I bet you think people actually become doctors because they get off on helping people, moreso than the fact that it's a guaranteed way to own a Mercedes. That's cute, but it's also not really the reality of things. Do doctors like helping people? Sure. Would anyone be a doctor if they couldn't get rich doing it? Absolutely not.

Morals and ethics have nothing to do with economics. And in life, ALL things are a matter of economics first and foremost, with everything else way in the background. The sooner you accept that, the sooner the world in general will start making a lot more sense.

Wildcat 03-06-2021 01:59 AM

I get the cover-up and why it’s used in tv but I have a hard time believing it because every company would have to in on it. I’m sure scams and such happen in someway but not to that scale.

Aside from that like I said Cancer is so extremely intricate nobody can honestly believe it’s that easy to cure and it’s just been kept a secret all this time. That’s beyond cynicism.

There’s things I’m quite cynical about but some of the stuff people say, this and that...I don’t know.

Andrew NDB 03-06-2021 02:12 AM

It's less "coverup" and diabolical cloak and dagger stuff in dark rooms as much as it's just the simple fact that at the genesis of these things, none of these are made not-for-profit. And even if they were or we're talking about people who just altruistically want to "do what's right for mankind because it's the right thing to do" and nothing else, that doesn't get them out of all sorts of a never-ending gauntlet of insurances they must carry to even begin the study of these kinds of things. This money has to come from somewhere.


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