So will TMNT soon be "culturally cancelled"?
 

With child restrictions on Disney's "Dumbo" and "Peter Pan" and "The Aristocrats", Looney Tunes' Pepe Le Pew being cancelled as well as Speedy Gonzales, 6 Dr. Seuss children books no longer being published, and in summer 2020 temporarily pausing the cartoon "Paw Patrol" because of George Floyd...

Is it just a matter of time before TMNT (in any universe) is eventually restricted or have trigger warnings?
Due to some believing:

• The American turtles culturally appropriating Japanese martial arts?
• Master Splinter perpetuating Asian stereotypes (as the Mark Dice clip below speculates at 2:31)?
• Having April not being able to fight as proficiently as the Turtles is continuing the cultural misogyny through the damsel-in-distress trope?

See at 2:31:


Welcome to the cultural progression of 2021.

There may be a push to make the Turtles pre-mutation into clearly Japanese turtles, to avoid the issue.

Which isn't an issue. It's only morons.

Except Splinter/Hamato Yoshi WAS Japanese.

Idk,has the twitter crowd run out of targets,so they might come for 30 y.o. cartoon? It's possible,I guess.

I am sure some retards will try to do it.
They believe that until their generation everything was "sexist, racist, e.t.c.", so it is not matter of "what" targets do they choose, but "when".

Also, one should remember they are doing it not for progressive society, but to inflate their limp egos, caused by the fact they are failures at everything else in life.

Didn't TMNT basically get cancelled back in 2017/2018 right before Rise Of premiered?

I remember a lot of arguing about whether April was originally black or not in the Mirage Comics, people accusing Eastman and Laird of racism (especially Eastman), and so on.

No actual claims, just a lot of fan hubbub. Founded in nothing. Based on nothing. And turned out to BE nothing.

I never said there was validity to the claims...

I'm just saying that the series basically got raked through the coals by SJWs during that time.

Well, this is kind of -- actually not even kind of, it IS -- the fundamental problem with all of this. It isn't the SJW types spewing this stuff, it is the people that humor it and fan it. And it always has been. Because there will always be those types... and there always has been. It's just, in the past 5 years, suddenly everyone has decided we need to listen to them and be afraid of them.

So... it's kind of on those people and it's kind of on us.

Nah, it's just snowflake cuckservatives trying to be outraged over something that hasn't happened because they love FAKE news and being outraged just as much as SJW, they're all the same people on the inside.

Eh?

Go through some TMNT Twitter and fandom based blogs from around 2017/2018, and I can assure you that this did happen.

For the record, a lot of the people on Twitter who cancelled TMNT/Eastman and Laird back then seem to be the same ones who tag their Twitter posts with #SaveROTTMNT, and are huge fans of it now. I catch them trashing the other incarnations of the series as well, especially the 2012 series.

Anyone can write an outraged tweet and get 30 likes and 13 retweets, people will post that on a blog because they know the usual gang will see the headline, be outraged and click and then be mad about the article they just read and share it to show how outraged they are. It's how blogs have been making money since 2016 in mass, nothing new anymore. There's always going to be 1 person that will be offended by something, doesn't mean anything going to happen.

Even if it gains "some traction" it takes a lot to get something "cancelled", remember when they tried to cancel Marilyn Manson, that one had plenty of media but it's flippin' Marilyn Manson, of course he's a degenerate, not going to hurt his career more than when they tried to cancel him in the 90s.

He's already been cancelled. Lost his agent, and they edited him out of the episodes of "American Gods" he was yet to appear in.

True, however, I do remember there being a lot of outrage going on due to the controversy with April being black in ROTTMNT, and whether she was originally black in the Mirage Comics and subsequently whitewashed after the fact. It caused a huge stink in the fandom for a time.

I don't think the series itself got cancelled, mostly because ROTTMNT ended up having April being black, and many of those folks who sided with the show being progressive ended up loving it while deriding other parts of the franchise like other shows and comics.

Personally, I don't mind April being black. I remember there was a rumor that they wanted to make her black in the 2012 series (I can't find an actual verification of this, the concept art has April as a blonde 'party girl' that Raphael had a crush on instead), and I didn't care as long as she was interesting/entertaining. I am not pleased with other aspects of ROTTMNT (but then again, I have criticisms for all of the cartoons in one way or another).

Yeah, there's talk about getting the FBI involved in the investigation. He's not doin' too good.

For my part, I am shocked that a guy who presents as he does and lives off of nothing but cocaine ALSO beats and rapes women and chases them with an ax when he's angry. "Allegedly". I am very, VERY shocked by this.

I never, ever bought that "It's just a persona" stuff. To a point, sure, it's exaggerated, but he gave himself that "persona", nobody stuck it on him. If that's the way you choose to present yourself to the world, then bottom line, there IS something f*cking wrong with you. And what makes it worse is that he has tons of fans who don't get that some of it is a "persona" and they take it as 100% sincere, then turn around and perpetuate those things into Real Life. Some of the Manson acolytes I knew in high school have almost certainly killed someone by now. Those people were f*cking warped; it was far beyond just music or "I think he dresses cool."

What's really gross is that some of those people are women, and some of those women sincerely push the "If he was married/dating those women then he couldn't have raped them, because you can't rape someone you're in a relationship with" narrative. Seriously, this is a thing women who like Marilyn Manson tell me, and it's not an isolated thing, it's a LOT. Some of them openly say "I WISH Marilyn Manson would tie me up and beat me, I think that would be hot." And those people need f*cking therapy. Or cyanide. Whichever. Frankly I think they're beyond all hope, but that's me.

F*ck Marilyn Manson. I kinda hope he doesn't see the other side of this. He's quite clearly a Very Bad Person.

btw cuckservative is being used ironically, it's just as retarded as "libtard", this thread is silly and needs to be treated as such.

So? He's Marilyn Manson, he's been in bigger controversies and gotten banned from many more places. He's a metal singer not an actor, people will go see him in concerts and venues will have him. He's dealt with actual controversy with consequences in the past.

Who ever thought Marilyn Manson wasn't a bad person?

The tumblr type crowd is always going to be outraged, will always ship every character in a show, will always make characters gay in their fanart. It's what they do, no one actually pays attention to them, they're like the furry community they do their thing and it rarely crosses over to the "real" world.

And when it does then sure people can complain about it, but it's silly to be outraged over what people something that most likely is just within a small niche.

Sick people, sure. People who probably should be forcibly sterilized.

"Back in the day" was a different time. R. Kelly got away with his pedo sh*t for a long time, too... until people finally got fed up.

Times change. Values change. When your number's up, it's up.

I separate artists from the art, I wouldn't be able to listen to most of the music I listen to otherwise. Artists tend to be messed up and fame only exponentializes that.
First saw Marilyn Manson at the 2004 Ozzfest, great show but post 2001s manson records haven't been great, same can be said for most bands after their first few records though. It really wasn't cool to like Manson during that time anymore though, since he was a relic of the past.

Mechanical Animals amazing album
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XPSvXs1H5uo/hqdefault.jpg

and you know why we're talking about Marilyn Manson? Because this is non-news and the TMNT have 0 possibility of being cancelled.

TMNT will get canceled because the Turtles live in the sewer and represent the LGBT crowd of "coming out of the closet" since the Turtles cannot mate with any female Turtles.

This stupid thread got pretty far without a mention of Kevin Splinter Clash being accused of diddlying kids. Whatever happened with that?

Nothing really. He still works with the Henson company, he did stuff on that Dark Crystal show apparently. Allegedly there was no "diddling kids" involved in the accusations, although at least one of the guys he was in a relationship with was underage when they first met but before they had a relationship, thus there's a bit of a gray area. But such things are supposedly not uncommon in gay relationships.

But yeah, it would seem that there wasn't much fire to the smoke, and so his name took a big hit but he still gets work in the industry.

I didn't follow that situation all that closely, but one would think that if there was a lot of truth to the accusations that the Henson company wouldn't still employ him, especially given their reputation for family entertainment and whatnot. It would be a bad look for them to retain him if those accusations proved to be more than just accusations.

One would think, anyway.

Why are these things so confusing and compelling to people that they need to fact check it, egg it on, or investigate therefore giving it life?

I mean by even asking if something is "problematic" you are breathing life into the whole situation by legitimizing that these things are valid enough to inquire within the framework.

The new "Problematic sensitivity" is the anti-life equation. It's the circular thinking that basically triggers the bottom feeder population by design because they don't know what to do with it other than being drawn in and acting on it. It turns the lower part of Earth's humanity into Parademons.

Don't you guys get it? LOL! Do you want to be Parademons or regular people?

He was apparently cleared of all charges in court: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...cleared-698645

He seems to have always maintained that everything that happened was between consenting adults.

I lost track, what has happened to R.Kelly, or is the dude still performing?

I think he's actually in a Chicago prison right now.

Holy ****. I thought I'd never see the day.

He's been there for a while now. I can't remember if his court cases are ongoing at this point though.

You can only literally sit in your car outside of elementary schools hawking little girls, and keep women in cages inside your home, for so long before ultimately people stop making excuses for you.

It blows my mind that people looked the other way on that guy for SO long, because they liked his music. "I Believe I Can Fly" does not excuse peeing on little girls. I'm sorry, it doesn't. You can keep the songs on the radio but the human being behind those songs does not need to ever see daylight again.

That would actually keep them on the air nowadays. At the production companies expense where they would air on the CW.

I wonder if his latest songs were starting to suck.

In this sick money-driven world it would not surprise me in the least if the powers-that-be decided to look the other way all this time cause 'maybe we can still get another few hits out of him and make some more money' and then finally decide to rain justice down on him once his music started to 'not be what it used to be'.

Hmmmm....

Canceling happens very arbitrarily and as I said - its just a way for losers to inflate their egos.

For example, this man was hired as a moderator for the Reddit, despite his past. And as an administrator he started to delete posts which criticized him.

Of course, "brave and stunning" left pretend that nothing happens.

Well that's good to hear! :)

Yeah, I'd feel differently if there'd been a lot of evidence that the guy was a pedo or a "groomer", but apparently that wasn't the case. There's a nuance between "they met when one side was young but they didn't have a relationship until later on." Also consent is a factor.

I mean, I can't in good conscience be a hypocrite. I've mentioned before that my first time was with a woman twice my age, and despite a lot of people telling me that I'm "supposed" to be angry and horrified about it... I'm not. I have no regrets at all about the situation as it happened. We had a bad falling out years later on for unrelated reasons, but I absolutely would not have wanted her to go to jail over what happened, not even after we were no longer friends. Nothing "bad" happened.

Meanwhile, my wife just got back onto FB after a 30-day ban, for telling that story to someone else and disagreeing with that person's assessment that I should have had the woman arrested. To be clear, my wife absolutely hated that woman, but in a conversation such as this she simply told the story and reiterated, "He wanted it to happen, though, so it's not a big deal." This other person reported my wife to FB for "promoting 'grooming'" and they slapped her. Nonsense.

Lots of gray areas, lots of double standards. Stuff gets complicated.

STOP TALKING ABOUT MY BEARD! :tmad:

:lol: Yours and mine both, brother. :trazz:

I'm rather lucky that my hair is an interesting mix of dark brown, light brown, red, dirty blonde, and gold, and that it changes tint based on lighting and seasonal factors (darker in Winter, lighter in Summer). Because that really hides the strands of silver I see more of every day and other people swear they don't notice. :lol: It just kinda blends in.

Frankly, I don't care if it turns Bright Pink, so long as it stays on my head. :lol:

eh, you know how it is, the whole double standard. Now while in your case, you had a blast, as a guy everyone is kinda expecting you to, even if some other kid would have been traumatized cause he wasn't mentally ready for that or whatever else.

You know if the genders were reversed, even if the girl initiated it, allowed it, and had an absolute 'no other man made her see stars the way he did' blast, everybody and their mother would have wanted the guy in jail if not flat out dead. Even if the dude looked like Aquaman. (Idk is it just me but are all these guy teachers creepy fat old guys that obviously can't get laid any other way while most of the female teachers are hotties that you wonder why they bother with kids when they could land a man at a bar without much effort, like I always think it would be a poor girl crying and begging the dude to get off her while with the female teacher it would be like that Rikki Roxx/Steph McMahon sex tape that recently surfaced).

I mean in your case, I'm just glad it worked out, and like there were no mental traumas or consequences. At your age you were still mature enough to understand it was just hooking up and might as well enjoy it while it lasted.

I am pretty sure that by age 14, as I was, a person of either gender has a pretty good idea as to whether or not they want to have sex. I do admit that at that age they still may lack the foresight to be able to tell if they're making a "good decision" in doing so, measuring the consequences, etc.

But I don't think that lack of judgment or foresight magically goes away at age 18, either. A girl I was good friends with in High School, when she as 18, was having an affair with a married man in his 30s who had kids. She knew it was wrong, she just completely did not care. If the guy's wife found out? "I'm not scared'a her, I can take her." If the guy lost his entire family over it? "That's all on him, I never put a gun to his head, he's doing what he wants to do." That was her rationale. No idea whatever came of that, but I definitely lost some respect for her over the whole deal. She showed an incredible lack of foresight, judgment, and even basic empathy in the way she handled that entire situation.

But, she was an "adult" and thus free to do Whatever. Even if the "adults" in the situation (either her or him) showed no more common sense than the way a child would behave. Common sense doesn't magically hit you when you turn 18; some people younger than that have a lot of it, and some people make it their whole lives to old age with none of it.

Mine beard's pretty grey too. 2 kids'll do that too ya. Hair on my head also has some too it. My dad's been grey as long as i can remember, so it's my fate really.

But as like Leo, I often say, "I don't care what color it turns, as along as it doesn't turn loose."

My Dad was half-silver AND half-bald by my age. I count my blessing every single day. :lol:

My stylists sees the back of my head way more than I do, and they assure me that all's well. One annoying thing is that I have a growth spot on the back of my head that everything circles out from, like a "nexus point", and it's a little bit thinner than the rest because of that. So ever since I was like 4 years old people used to tease me about having a "bald spot" even though that's not at all what it is. :ohwell:

Whenever I watch a video of one of my matches, I'm watching my head like a hawk. :lol: "Whew! It's all still right where it belongs!" :trazz: When I let it grow really long and just brush it back, it does make my forehead line look like it's receding even though it's not. When I get the top and sides cut short it looks more "normal".

I would know if it was actually falling out. I'm like Uncle Jesse in the mirror with the ruler and the tape measure with that sh*t. :lol:

Eh, if they stick with Yoshi becoming Splinter then the Turtles are basically adopted by a Japanese guy, so the Turtles have an excuse since it would be an adopted portion of the dual cultures that influence their upbringing. Easier to just tweak any stereotypes brought into question.

Sure, try to avoid the damsel in distress thing for the most part. Nothing wrong with a friend needing a save once in a while (and visa versa!), but don't overdo it and don't make that character incapable of even trying to help themselves. April doesn't need to be as good of a fighter, or a fighter at all, she's not a Turtle nor their sister and hasn't spent a lifetime training in martial arts. She has her own life and separate career choices. Were she much more like them and the Turtles were human or one of these girls Turtles among them sometimes were downplayed in comparison, then that itself would be an issue. April however should at least still be capable of trying to help herself in situations, not just waiting for rescue.



How did this turn into another hair thread. lol


edit: Of course, people objecting to things and wanting to "cancel" it is nothing new -- see: TMNT "Exposed!" and "Saturday Morning Mind Control" books -- we just didn't have a dumb term to apply to it back then.

My hair is dark brown, but my beard/facial hair is black. There's some brown hairs mixed in too, but they're not noticeable unless I look myself in the mirror up close haha