Nation’s (USA) first ‘vaccine passport’ coming to New York
 

Nation’s first ‘vaccine passport’ coming to New York

By Gabrielle Fonrouge - March 26, 2021

https://nypost.com/2021/03/26/nation...g-to-new-york/
Talk about Big Brother, discrimination, 4th Amendment and HIPAA violations that want the government and big business to know personal medical information for permission in merely entering a building. We knew this was coming though.

But voter ID... totally racist.

From the same people from the New York government, who are also putting people like New York Commissioner Tracey A. Edwards to declare for people to trust the government. See at 27:20-28:01:


"I'm not asking what's in the infusion,
I'm not looking up all of the ingredients in the infusion,
I'm sticking out my arm,
and I'm taking the infusion! And that's what we have to do!"

But why? If most everyone gets the vaccine won't corona go the way of the mumphs since there'll be noone left for it to infect? I mean by next year the Corona card is gonna be as useless as a Swine Flu card or a Bird Flu card.

Also, where are all of the angry leftist Dromer's screaming "believe women"? Cuomo has been accused of sexual misconduct by several people now.
Why isn't he stepping down? Where is the hate and outrage?

I want f'n heads.

Its not about people's health or corona. Its all about control... just like the d@mn masks.

I don't have a problem with this really. When the whole Small Pox thing was a thing, people carried around cards to prove they'd been vaccinated. At least it's not government mandated. It's up to companies if they require one to have it to use their facilities and it seems that getting these "Vaccine Passports", which have been around for years anyway, is an optional thing. I guess this also doesn't feel like a big deal, because there are times where you have to present your vaccination information that's also been done for years.

To enroll your kids in school, you need to share that information. You have to have a certain amount of vaccinations completed by Kindergarten, but I know some places don't require it. Probably private schools. Also, I think for most universities and colleges these days, where in-person instruction is done, they require vaccination information.

In order to enter certain countries, those people use "Vaccine Passports" (my aunt and uncle had to when they went on vacation in Africa, but forget which countries they visited).

If I'm not mistaken, military officers tend to have them since they do a lot of international travel.

For certain jobs you have to have your vaccination information presented to them to make sure you're up-to-date and if you do not have some of those vaccines, they order you to get one, or you can't work there (unless it's a medical reason why you can't get it). So yeah...I don't get what the big deal is, personally. Been doing this for all of our lives, practically.
Don't get why people keep saying this. Voter ID isn't racist, but making it more difficult for some people is a bit prejudiced. For instance, where I live, the only thing we need to vote is any government issued ID. I sometimes use my driver's license and I have used my passport. For those who do not have either of those, they can use a utility bill addressed to the voter with the current address matching what's on the voter roll registration. It is a problem, though, if legislatures want to put in more strict rules as to what can be used and what cannot be or those who want to have multiple forms of ID just to cast a vote. For myself, I have two and my social security card, but everyone doesn't have those things. Not everyone drives and maybe they'd been using some other alternative to casting a vote. In Georgia, to my knowledge, for those who need state Voter IDs if they do not have the other forms of ID, it is free, which is fine, but they need a lot of documentation just to register for one, which would include having to pay for those things or even taking time out to go to city hall and stuff like that. IMO, to get a Voter ID, providing your social security number (as an alternative), name, and address should be enough to receive one. Some people do not have birth certificates or had them, and became lost over time. In the case of my cousin, the hospital she was born in doesn't exist anymore, so getting a copy of her birth certificate a few years ago was a hassle. Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm not sure if she ever managed to get another copy.

Another thing, the main issue I think most logical people were having a problem with regarding the bill was the cutting back of the hours, cutting back on early voting times, ditching the reason-free absentee voting set up that had been around since the early 2000s (iirc), limiting ballot boxes, limiting the amount of polling places in general even more than what they were, which tend to affect mostly areas with poc which creates super long waits, and getting rid of Sunday voting (which was good for those who work weekdays and for those who celebrate the Sabbath/day of worship on Fridays/Saturdays).He's not stepping down because he's choosing not to. What can anyone do about that? People have been calling for him to step down, left and right.

People were burning down buildings and assaulting people in the streets for less or the same.....

this is horrifying
 

all these “debunked conspiracy theories” are coming true.

“imagine a vaccine so safe you have to be threatened to take it, for a disease so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it” -unknown

They are introducing vaccine passports and other liberal-tracking nonsense and people are flowing to it. What are you going to do next year when you need your next series of vaccines and you stop suddenly and go "Durp but urt I got mine dah last year oneeee!"

When is it going to end? This vaccine isn't a one time thing. You are going to have to get it every year with the new strain.

I don't think people realize that this isn't like the measles when you were a kid with a one and done shot practically for life.

In my opinion, not really.

1) COVID-19 is classified in the family of "coronavirus", and it's similar to the common cold in which you can only vaccinate for a strain or closely related to it. For example, take the flu shot for the common cold. It has to be made every year because the cumulative effect of the viral mutations leads to different strains, and researchers have to predict which strains will be global as they develop the flu shot.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6481390/

It wouldn't surprise me that these new variants from South Africa, the UK, and etc. might trigger a perpetual cycle of new vaccines for other variants just to profit Big Pharma.

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2) But don't put too much faith in Big Pharma's vaccine trials though...

"Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designed To Succeed" by William A. Haseltine of Forbes Magazine
https://www.forbes.com/sites/william...h=cae916652479
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3) Add to the fact that you can not sue Big Pharma for any adverse reactions from the COVID vaccine:
"You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won’t compensate you for damages either" by MacKenzie Sigalos of CNBC
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covi...n-lawsuit.html
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4) Then there's also the emergence of "breakthrough cases" in which some of those who are vaccinated, are still getting COVID-19. Now whether these are new variants, or as the Forbes article suggested a mediocre vaccine is a whole other area of investigation.


Therefore, it's understandable for some people to be very reluctant to have this COVID vaccine with this new novel mRNA approach, if one takes an overall viewpoint of the whole matter. ...Though you won't see these news stories, or this perspective, on the national evening news from the mainstream media.

Point #4 is duh, of course, because no vaccine is claiming 100% immunity. So you would expect a small percentage of people immunised are still going to contract Covid afterwards. But the argue points are valid, until more testing, you can't tell if that's due to not being effective for that person, or it's a strain that the vaccine isn't able to handle.

As for point #3, that's the one that the missus and myself were like "woah" when he heard in the US. If you happen to be one of those SooL on the jab, you've got no one to blame and no one to help you. That's bad.

Double-R needs to post more. This place needs more common sense.

Promoting conspiracy theories that evil Jews are weakening the white race by degrading traditional marriage is not common sense.

Great post, man. Much the same position I was taking right above you.

Agreed. But see we used to do that more here. But for my part in it I still make the same points but I don't want to contain the vitriol at all in certain circumstances because academic points don't matter here when it comes to the target audience here. They will say it matters, but they are lying as a matter of convenience. If you let the vitriol out, they'll say you make points without support, if you make points with support they'll just say what's easiest to counter that.

I'm past the point of pure academia, although I'm still on life experience. Where it goes from there though just gets darker. :lol:

I think you're confusing Reflections with FWLeonardo. FWL is the outspoken anti-Semite, RR simply speaks the truth.

It's pretty funny how Reflections posts stuff that is all very easily looked up and proven, and some people just "Nope" it because they don't like the message.

Remember that nutcase ex-Mod who used to give me sh*t for not posting sources because I have better sh*t to do than spend my entire day on Google? Yeah, turns out that's not what the issue is, the issue is that people on The Left disregard any factual evidence that runs counter to their nonsense. Because Reflections goes out of his way to present factual evidence of This or That and people still go "Nah, I don't think that's right." In spite of the mountain of evidence that yeah, he is right.

Good thing Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings, as a "controversial" wise man once (and often) said.

If that's true then I owe RR an apology for the mix up.

If you're reading Refractive Reflections I'm sorry.

Happens to me here all the time, dude. It's like some of us have discussed privately. The more galvanizing you are in your points, the more the trouble-making, weak-link snowflakes just meltdown. It proves that between level head's there's a lot to be said and that between ultra liberal nuts and the "life angry" there is no real conversation. There is only their "life angry" vengeance. Like said ex-mod....

This was the same position that another.... poster.... here on the forums recently took with me. Except that it was worse because I cite facts and hands on experience all the time.

You want a secret to operating in confidence? You know your opposition is full of $#!( and has no education when they demand sources for everything that is otherwise common sense, or personally experiential. I think you learn what and whatnot requires citing in English 100 where they teach you to write the three paragraph essay for God's sake. But some people just weaponize "cite" as an attack.

I agree with you regarding what you've said about Reflections posts here, but full transparency - I'm internalizing it because let's face it - I... ahem... mirror ahem Reflections point making all day long on these forums. But I used to be tolerant here. Now I'm just pissed off at these MF'ers.

When did the drome get so red pilled? Seems like that used to be the minority around here....

everyone else was driven away and now it's an echo chamber of the same old people ranting at clouds

It's easy to hide fear of a topic by ignoring it, but it's easier to hide cowardice of a topic by trampling on valid conversation by trying to discredit it.

Maybe we do have more of an "echo chamber" here now because normal thinkers got sick of the extreme leftist nonsense here and pushed back on the vitriol - first with conversation, then with facts and then finally with their own vitrol when nothing else worked. Which is completely reasonable considering we are talking about a group that hated on a group of people based on their vote to the point of mania for years, supported the destruction of city areas, and were beating people on the streets from behind in the back of the head at random, and doing anything they could to tear down any establishment that makes a country function normally and successfully for everyone. All while justifying their actions through the most uninformed, non-experiential opinions & thought processes many of us have ever seen.

Maybe the lingering few of you here should try to compute that for a while before you fire back from your f'n keyboards.

Yep.

For my part, I certainly wasn't gonna sit through any lectures on goodness and morality from Certain People who would say, without irony, things like "It's totally okay to cheat on your partner and it doesn't make you a bad person", when No It Isn't and Yeah It Totally Does. Or "My enjoyment of A Thing increases exponentially by how much it makes certain people angry. I love drinking Salty Male Tears." Sh*t like that. People like that can take their "progressive" ideas and cram them in whatever orifice they choose. They're not missed. And sooner or later, SANE people are inevitably gonna get sick of Those People pretending they stand on some kind of Moral High Ground. They're degenerates, and they're insufferable. And when people finally had enough of their bullsh*t, they ran back to their little Twitter safe space because they can't handle being told out loud, "No, you're absolutely, provably full of sh*t. And you're also a Bad Person."

Good f*cking riddance.

And not to speak for anyone else, but I think maczaps was just thinking out loud with his comment. He's quite clearly the most right-leaning person on the entire forum. :lol: For whatever that is worth to any individual. I'm actually way more in the middle than I come across, it's just Certain Things I skew more to the Right on and Those Things just have a habit of coming up more often in the conversation around here.

Mostly I'm just shocked cuz I left the forums for a while because any time I voiced an opinion or offered facts & evidence to prove a point, I was attacked. Not just by people publicly but a few people PM'd me with a few loosely veiled threats. Not that I took those serious or care cuz I'm armed for bear & zombies, but because it gets old after a while.


Its nice seeing that other grew a backbone & are sick of the sh¡t from the woke mob.

And yeah, I know sometimes I just say "x" and that pisses people off but I'm not a candy bar so I ain't around to sugar coat sh¡t. I stand on the side of Freedom.

Here in Russia some governors wanted to make COVID passports for people who took the jab, but Kremlin disagreed with them and this idea was buried. Most likely they saw potential for a civil unrest, if people on top of the other problems would be demanded to receive COVID passports. Not to mention most Russian don't trust our vaccines.

As for why next to no lefties here: snowflakes have melted.
Those people have only few methods of discussion: lie and misrepresent your arguments, appeal to emotions or simply ban you. First and second works only if they majority (they do not have a majority here), third works only when they have power (they do not have power here).

And since they are so fragile that even mentioning opposing points in passing might trigger them to scream "violence", they naturally break down and escape when they encounter a real opposition.

before covid-19, I was getting sick all the time. I have to ride public transit to/from work and people in the USA are incredibly self-centered in how they act, so if they happen to be sick on a bus/train it's everyone else's problem. And if a sick person did board, most people would just ignore it and act like it's no big deal, even though they could be catching something right then and there.

One thing I'm very thankful in this post-covid-19 world is I think that has now changed, at least for the near term (and hopefully forever.) People need to be more considerate in public about getting other people sick, rather that be covid-19, the flu, common cold, or whatever else you might be carrying. If you know you are sick, you have a responsibility to not spread it to the best of your ability.

So as an extension of that, I'm fine with some form of proof that you have had important vaccinations in order to do certain things, such as travel on a plane.

Yeah, that really gets old for me.

"I'm fine with medical tyranny."

Sorry bub. I'm not. I'm not sick and have not been sick and therefore cannot make you sick & will not get the vaccine for a sickness I do not have and can't pass on to others, that could kill me or make me seriously ill as it has not been fully tested over YEARS & PROVEN to be SAFE & EFFECTIVE. There are, however, naturally occurring supplements out there that have been PROVEN to work that keeps the flu (covid) at its least harmful if you have it and no serious, life altering or life ending side effects.

I never get the flu vaccine. I did once and the shot made me damn near deathly ill. Haven't since and will not. Big Pharma is NOT your friend. They WANT sick people, not healthy. There is no money in curing illness. I could write (& did, but deleted it) a long @$$ story about why I don't trust Big Pharma or the current level medical industry but its pointless if you have your head in your @$$.

You cannot legislate morals. People who don't give a crap about anyone but themselves (those folks you say that get on public transport while sick) won't ever care no matter what law or rule is in place (much like most politicians on either side). You are responsible for you. Wear a mask, gloves or a full hazmat if you feel safer that way but forcing a vaccine on people is tyrannical and should never occur.


On the flip side, if you still think of those people who refuse the vax as lesser people, then flip it to pregnant women and try your argument. The government can now force you to either get pregnant against your will or abort your child at their will and either way, you have no say.

Or lets say, you cut your dominate hand/arm. Now the Government steps in and decides "eh, ain't worth fixing it so just cut it off"... Now you're down an arm. Or leg. Or insert whichever favorite body part you have. Lol.

I get that people are scared of covid but shut off the damn tv. Stop reading the local paper. Stop being afraid of your own shadow.

F¤ck it. Rant done. No one is reading all that anyways. Lol

You're still here. Lucky us... :lol:

This is how I conducted myself since day one, but also in respectful conversation. I even used to try to keep conversation smooth between some of the stunted f's that come here, calling for patience, explaining that you never know who is posting here - some handicapped person, some lifelong retail rat who has formed opinions but has no valid experiences outside of their tiny bubble. You can search the forums, I literally used to call for patience on it. But as that became more impossible with lefties lying, twisting facts, condescending replies that weren't even in truth; I stopped conversing and just started flinging truth. Those people are disingenuous liars for whatever personal psychology they have. Don't believe them.

Either that or they are so far gone they are playing the martyr when they leave. As if they are taking some high road or something. Let them think what they want. I want f'n heads now. That's where I'm at.

Pretty much why I stay pointed & direct. There is no point sugar coating anything for the weak minded msm/liberal zombies. I'm the same way in real life too.

Meh the only ones that will have issues with is anti vaccine people, sucks to be them. Me and my entire family all got ours so will be fine with this. I think amusement parks should do this as well honestly than will know they'll be a safer place to hang out in. You just know States like Texas and Florida will make a big deal about this idea but pretty sure Joe Biden will like the idea.

If he remembers where those places are or who he is. :lol:

Lest we forget all the people who weren't sick until they GOT the vaccine, a few of whom even died. They were Perfectly Fine all year beforehand until the Magic Shot made them sick and/or killed them. "Whoops".

Let's not over-simplify this sh*t. Any human being is perfectly within their rights to have been (and stayed) suspicious at Every Single Step of this fiasco going back to Winter 2019. They're right to be suspicious about where the virus supposedly came from, they're right to be suspicious about how it develops/spreads, they're right to be suspicious about how severe it is, they're right to be suspicious about any "official" information coming out (since so much of it is and has been contradictory), and they're right to be suspicious of a vaccine that was rushed through development with a minimum of testing in order to score political points and make the ex-President look bad.

When they still don't even know if their Magic Shot is dangerous to pregnant women or still-developing infants, People Are Right To Be Suspicious.

When otherwise-healthy people abruptly got sick or dropped dead after getting the Magic Shot, People Are Right To be Suspicious.

When the year is a quarter over with and they still don't know if you're going to still need to get one or two Magic Shots every single year for the rest of time in order to be "safe", People Are Right To Be Suspicious.

When your government is making the Magic Shot mandatory, and neither you nor your family can hold ANYONE at fault or be compensated in ANY way if you get sick or even die after getting it, then guess what? People Are Right To Be Suspicious.

The fact that some people are 100% willing to ignore all common sense because "Well, they wouldn't LIE to us, would they?" is pretty disheartening. The problem with looking at the world through rose-colored glasses is that all the Red Flags just look like regular flags. But there are way too many to ignore or handwave, just because some people think getting a shot is going to magically make all of this go away.

Get in the boxcar, for your safety.... You realize YOU are the POS, right? The vaccine isn't a cure. And people that have been vaccinated HAVE gotten covid again, while masked & distanced from people.

And Joe Biden is mentally checked out. He is just a puppet. At some point, after its too late, you will be forced across a line you find disgusting & there won't be anyone left to save your stupid @ss.

Exactly ALL of this. Its INSANE to believe the MSM narrative. No real pandemic requires 24/7 bombardment from media and entertainment to be real & a legit threat. Homeless people aren't dropping dead in the streets. People would not be forced to get "life saving" shots.

The Government is NOT our friend. Or our Boss. They work for us.... at least they're intended to and at least once in the past they did...

Again, I said it a few pages back but.. you know IGNOOORREEDDD! by the onboarders - but I think it's a pretty valid consideration for people to realize that this vaccine isn't a one and done.

Wouldn't it be completely different if this was like the measles? One shot and we wiped it out for developed humanity? That's good.

But this isn't like that. So we are going to get on board for this brand new, unproven chemical to be mainlined, and you did what? Contributed? Do you get a flu shot every year? Some of you might, sure but just as many or more will lie and say yes to defend their Covid position when in fact they are just scared and will on board with anything that brings them peace.

And so to be clear for the confirmation-bias-lefties - I'm not an anti-vaxxer and I'm not building a pyre against this vaccine. But I am saying that it's a deeply personal choice and the fact is if you haven't lived your life getting a flu shot every year, then why are you getting this one? Are you going to get the next one next year? And after that? Because if not, why are you having this pumped into your veins?

I'm not rejecting it, but I would like answers for these things before I get jabbed. I would like answers because I don't believe for a minute that some of you here who got that shot already considered what I said above, yet you'll go on about "anti-vaxxers" which diminishes the real questions about this thing.

I listened about some studies that say if you get the vaccine, even if you come down with one of the new strains later on or your immune levels drop to where you can just get the same strain again and then you do... in either case, it apparently wouldn't be as severe as it would if you hadn't gotten the original vaccine at all.

That makes a little sense, I guess.

Okay so if that's true, then the current vaccine is predicted to have some efficacy against future strains, maybe diminishing the effects a bit.

Yeah alright if that's true that's a good reason to get on board. Sure.

But now my question is where is the leftist brain trust who could've added that to normal conversation? My guess? They didn't know. They didn't give any of this any consideration, but they'll "yell at clouds" about anti-vaxxers. Fools.

Getting the vaccine doesn't prevent catching covid. Some folks out there have gotten it despite the jab and more than a few have gotten it very bad just the same as not getting jabbed. Its cleared for emergency use which means humans are the test subjects.

Then there are these pcr tests which were supposed to test for just covid, but the data collection range was set so high, anything & everything flu related has been deemed covid.

I'm not anti vaxx. I was vaccinated as a child. All those shots. I got the flu shot one time & was ill for over 3 months time. I've never gotten the flu shot since & not had the flu since. I'm anti THIS test drug which could kill me or further disable me.


For us to get back to living, just throw away the MFing masks. Enough people have gotten the jab that NOW is the time to stop masking up to prevent the variants from causing havoc & further deaths. States that have already opened PROVE masks HARMLESS.