"The rest of the world is laughing at the U.S.!"... but should we care?
 

(be it about an imagined lack of gun control, or how "racist" we are, or so on). And if so, why should we care?

It really depends on what the U.S is being laughed at about, a very broad and vague question which I would answer either way depending on the subject.

Live life. Care little. Be free. You fought for that.

Ehhh... yes and no. Depends on why.

Our choices and mistakes are up to us to make, just as they are for any other nation. (Not like others haven't made laughable bad choices, too.) But, figuratively speaking, no nation is an island, we share this planet and have an impact on each other whether we want to or not, so no one, including the U.S., should ignore that they also still need to try to be a good world neighbor as well, so in some ways it matters what the "neighbors" think. And if it is losing the status of this nation, yeah, that matters a bit.

Well, so this one might need some explaination. In Sweden, you can only buy alcohol from Systembolaget, a stateowned corporation that charges more than what you'd expect in other countries. The only exception are bars, where the price will be even more jacked up due to taxes. The general idea is that people will buy less alcohol, to minimise accidents or poor people wasting money.

In this commercial, an American marketing expert is used to demonstrate why it might be questionable to sell alcohol in such a way that the customer is inclined to buy more. The thing is, the expert obviously didn't need to be American, plenty of other countries have loose regulations regarding alcohol. So make what you will of the decision to cast an American in this role.

What should be laughed at is those who laugh at others (as in at others' expense). Those who can't find humor in things other than someone's misfortunes, are the biggest objects of ridicule in this world, regardless of where they're from.

The rest of the world has laughed at the U.S. in terms of blanket statements, hate and bias the the big dog always gets for decades. Probably since the inception of the country.

It's always been whatever bottom feeders a society has in other countries delivering armchair-commentary about the U.S., talking bias and out of their asses all the time. "All Americans are fat." "All Americans are cowboys". "All Americas do is have things and throw them away". It's always been ******** from people in other parts of the world, usually in countries with huge problems of their own, pointing fingers at the U.S. as if they were some authority on civilization.

Until recently. The last few years, the mouths of America have painted a disgusting picture of a generation of people doing internally what the low level thinkers of other countries used to do externally.

So in that particular context? Yes we should care because the regular people of the nation have given rise to it. Back when it was the foolish of other nations pointing fingers because of their own emotional nonsense, no we shouldn't have cared. But now? It's a generation of mouth breathers who better stabilize their personalities and understandings because Russia and China are coming fast, boy.

As an European (Italian) I'm not laughing at the U.S., not at all! But, honestly, if I ever were to visit your country I would be afraid of being killed just crossing a street with all those weapons around. Having a gun is very uncommon here, unless you are a hunter or... a criminal.

IDK about the cowboys part but they sure got us with the other two.

That's ironic because you would brand me a conservative solely for my countering of extreme liberal views regularly, but I stay in shape even in my 40's and re-use things where I can while making every effort to recycle. I'll drive to recycle packing foam because we can't throw it in the bins and I give things to Habit for Humanity, Goodwill and Toys for Tots all the time without throwing them away. And most of the people I know do these things as well. Actually on that note, most the people I know who the rest of the world would define as "white problematic America" are just as conscious about day to day living and are in relatively normal, average shape as well.

But you are an SJW yet here you've cited agreement and experiences in a world view towards the negative end of the countries spectrum. It's just an interesting thing to note.

I don't share your world view. They don't have us on those things at all. Of course there are always examples - it's a big country. But by and large? No, not in my life.

I get it, but it's a pretty silly notion (I've lived in rough neighborhoods most of my life -- even Tukwila, WA for a good portion, which was once ranked the worst city for crime in the U.S. -- and have never even met anybody shot by somebody else... except a British guy I know who moved here and claims to be a "shooting victim" but later on admits it was a kid with a BB gun that "shot" him and equates it as one and the same).

Unless maybe you attend one of the "peaceful protests" we've been having. Then maybe your odds of getting shot go up significantly (probably by one of the other attendees).

While it sounds like shootings happen all too often, have to take into account that it's also a much larger country and the chance of actually being one of those unlucky people to experience it is still rather small. I'd worry more about aggressive drivers when crossing a street than someone with a gun.

I live in one of the most densely-populated states in the Northeast and I've never seen a single person with a gun outside of their home property, except for cops where it's "part of the uniform.". And yes, sadly, I've been to New York City, more times than anyone ever should have to in a lifetime; never saw a gun out in the open there, either. I'm sure someone had one, but I never saw it.

The only times I've ever seen or encountered a gun are:
- My father was a hunter, so he had several hunting rifles, until he got arrested on felony drug charges and he couldn't own guns anymore after that.
- A friend of mine is a "survivalist" and outdoorsman; as such, he owns several guns, which he keeps securely in a giant safe that's bigger than a refrigerator. He let me hold one, once, a Glock I think. Didn't much care for it. Pretty heavy.
- I've unfortunately had the cops point theirs at me a couple of times. Not a lot of fun, but it seemed very much like a procedural thing and so while I was nervous I didn't much feel like I was in any actual danger. "Shut Up, Do This," so that's what I did, situation resolved itself immediately.

Like, I really shake my head at how in some parts of the world the U.S. has this reputation, like people just run around like Yosemite Sam or something. The truth is, not hardly. The vast majority of people will never even SEE a gun in their entire life outside of a photograph. You've honestly probably got a better shot at getting hit by lightning than of getting shot by a bullet. Depending on where you live, of course. But if you can avoid places where there's a lot of crack and crystal meth, Surprise Surprise, people otherwise don't generally get shot that often.

I assume it's the hysterical mainstream media that perpetuates the whole Gun-Crazy American myth throughout the rest of the world. The truth is far more boring. Yes, people occasionally get shot. In Cracktown. And yes, people also get shot by police sometimes. Also in Cracktown. It would seem that the most obvious way to avoid getting shot is to just stay out of Cracktown; your odds of survival increase exponentially. :lol:

Yeah. Bingo.

Oh ho ho ho, I am the farthest from being an SJW.

Which country has an ever-growing obesity problem? And which country it trying to sweep it under the rug with fat-acceptance movements?

Our country has a million faults. The only way we'll ever change and try to strive to be better as a country is to at least admit we have them.

What's next? You gonna tell me this country doesn't have a racist problem? Or homophobia isn't a thing here?

I'd argue that Fat People are our biggest problem. Pun fully intended.

Maybe not the most "dangerous", but unlike other problems you can't just wish it away or pretend it isn't there. I actually have to look at these f*cking people.

Yeah, there is definitely a growing obesity problem (in a culture attempting to shift glamor on being obese), but I don't think that's what he was talking about.

A racist problem? In tiny pockets of the country where you could expect to find it, sure, but it's hardly like a pressing issue that needs solving. Like if it is, it wouldn't even make the "Top 50" list. Nowhere near what the media is implying. They make it seem like you'll be tripping over 20 "white supremists" a day just going about your business. I've never met one. I've never known anyone that knows one -- that's fake (oh, but go on Facebook and every SJW with a keyboard is finding "nazis" everywhere). Now, there IS growing -- actual -- racism coming from the left and especially the media, with corporations bending to it. That's concerning.

Homophobia problem? No, not really. At least, what little there is is on its way out. In the 90s you would be stuffed in a locker by 20 laughing kids if even a rumor got spread about you being gay, let alone if you actually were... now? You even use "gay" in a derogative way your parents might get sued and you might get expelled. And nobody is getting stuffed in lockers anymore. Turn on the TV and 80% of all new shows have some (mis)representation of the LGBTQ on them. I think the WAVES of acceptance that have happened since then should be celebrated, not the few outliers now and again focused on and whined about to propagate victimhood. Also, that shouldn't be attached to a ramp that ends with 12 year olds being taught about 30 genders in the classroom either.

I still say stuff is "gay". :ohwell: But to be fair I'm pretty old and set in my ways.

I voted as a non-American citizen who feels that US citizens should indeed care, inasmuch as I was repeatedly told and read everywhere for the last four years that the former President was laughed at the world over, which I know full well isn't the case either at home or abroad, and yet only now is the American (fraudulently elected, and yes, Virginia, there was election fraud) "president" a joke in every single regard but no one seems to care. And those that do care do nothing about it. By all means, wait until the bastard and his handlers turn the country into North Venezuela, install a fascist dictatorship, racial quotas to promote "diversity" (ie, keep the leftist electorate happy with the illusion of change), cause a full-blown humanitarian crisis at the border, and just in general leave the US bowing down to China with Xi's tiny penis in its mouth for all time. /rant

America is the beacon. Please don't let it go out.

I honestly can't tell how serious you are... which makes this a pretty good example of why I don't care (on a broad scale) about how other countries view the US.

The international understanding of life in the US seems to be based on a handful of grand caricatures about life and politics here, largely narrated by cable news, Twitter, and Reddit. I have a lot of opinions and critiques of the same topics that get repeated in those places, many of those opinions are rooted in frustration at the people in charge of local, state, and federal politics. But reality isn't just what you see on the internet, and making changes for the purpose of "looking good" for anonymous people on the internet (especially people who are probably never going to like anything that we do) is never going to work in the favor of the people who live here.

Which, unfortunately, is somewhat held back by those people who are very touchy about questioning American exceptionalism and suggesting that anything is in any way imperfect and has room for improvement.


Thing is though, maybe American exceptionalism was more of a thing at one time, when we were by far a unique snowflake and kind of our own brand, so to speak, but we were so eager to suggest that the rest of the world should adopt what we were doing -- including good things such as encouraging some parts of the world to adopt democracy -- that we pretty much eradicated our stance as being that unique and a step above most others because we wanted them to be more like us. Comparatively now, yes, there's notably plenty of issues for us to work on and room to grow. But that's a good thing (albeit not the having of issues, just the ability to recognize it), no nation should stagnate and cling to the cruddy stuff forever. If we can't work on that stuff and improve on it then it's going to be us who is falling behind.

Only country in the entire world where you can be born a pauper and die a millionaire.

That potential exists nowhere else on Earth. And that's pretty damn "exceptional" from where I sit.

As for "room for improvement", well... duh. That's the process. America isn't the country it was 200, or even 100 years ago. As for the things people like to pick at and cry about as to how supposedly "bad" we are, like racism, homophobia, and even violence... all of that sh*t was WAY worse even in the very recent past than it is Right Now. The media loves to squeal and moan about how "things are worse than ever", but... the numbers and Actual Historical Fact simply don't support that narrative. Not at all.

Like, for example, as recently as 25 years ago you could potentially get away with killing a gay person by using the "Gay Panic" defense. Lots of people, in fact, did just that. Not so, anymore. The media will run a story about "So-and-so killed a gay person for being gay", and use that as "proof" that things are getting worse, when in truth, you're simply never getting rid of homophobia or people lashing out with violence about things they think are "gross" or "wrong" or whatever. You will never eradicate Those Incidents, because for all the education and empathy and whatever else that people are being brought up with nowadays, Some People Just Plain Think That Sh*t's Gross.

You can't change or eliminate the thinking. BUT. The people who use that thinking as justification to commit violence and hurt people who are "different" from them - be it racism or homophobia or whatever other prejudice behind it - ARE held more accountable nowadays and they ARE punished for it, FAR more than they were even in the fairly recent past.

That's Progress. Again, you'll never completely overcome these challenges, but it's enough that people can no longer act with impunity as they once did not so very long ago. And, as usual, it's This Country that pretty much leads the way in this sort of "progress", anyway. Out of all the world's "Superpower" nations, America is by far the least racist, homophobic, and "whatever-ist" by ten miles.

I mean, let's just Be Real. When it comes to "leading by example", as imperfect as we are we've still done the best at it compared to anyone else. And we're a lot farther along Today than we were 100 or even 50 years ago. People can try and dispute that, but they're not being honest with themselves.

The only really "bad" thing I see where it seems like we're regressing as a nation, is that we're only about one or two decades away from corporate monopolies once again becoming the standard, and what's worse is that it's coming at the behest of the public themselves, most of whom obviously flunked Social Studies. But you hear them say it out loud, "I just wish Disney owned everything, it would be easier"; "I wish I only had to shop at Wal-Mart or Amazon", etc. etc. THAT is going to be a Very Real Problem in the very near future, and it's way bigger and more important than "systemic racism" or who gets to use what bathroom or which crackhead died in police custody this week while blatantly resisting arrest. Those are, to be blunt, non-issues.

And if you pay Very Close Attention, you start to notice how the media uses those non-issues as a way to distract you from the Big Issue, that being the corporations swallowing up the smaller companies like whales. You're not supposed to notice or talk about that. You're not supposed to remember how the first half of the 20th Century was about the government being forced to step in and dismantle multiple corporations who had done Exactly That before, and how it's all repeating itself (except with public and government approval this time, rather than outrage). "Don't worry about it. Don't think about how Amazon bought out another competitor this morning, don't worry about how like three companies own every single magazine, newspaper and website in America. You don't care about that; Let's talk about George Floyd, instead (just not all the Really Awful Stuff He Did, we purposely don't want to talk about THAT Stuff)."

The biggest problem with America isn't that we're "arrogant" or "mean" or "self-important" or "______-ist", or any of that. No, the biggest problem with America is simply that, on a good day, WAY too many people are supremely naive and gullible, to the point where they get distracted by petty nonsense and can't see the Bigger Picture. But even that comes from a "good" place; it's just unfortunate because it allows them to be manipulated easily by those who absolutely do not have their best interests at heart.

I don't think anyone laughed about US.
Lefties love to pretend that US has becoming a laughing stock due to Trump's antics, but in reality most people do not conflate the whole country with behavior of one single person and US was not in the bad position under him at all.

If anything, a lot of people were laughing / puzzled by rampages of BLM and crazy SJW culture US Left cultivate. In fact, both France and UK are fed with this crap enough to take explicit measures against SJW culture.

By "caring", what do you mean exactly? Caring as in losing sleep at night based on what foreign countries think of you and consulting with them when it comes to your own domestic issues? Then no. Caring in the sense of how messed up your own foreign policy has been for a long time now, like the Iraq War, for example, and how it has affected the public opinion of your allies to the point of questioning whether USA is a good ally or not? Sure.

As someone born in 1990, my understanding is that Western/Northern Europe as a whole had no problems with USA in the Post-WW2 years up until the end of the Cold War. But ever since the Wall fell and the Yugoslavian War has been over, Europe has largely been at peace and the European Union has gotten even larger. So people began viewing USA as a less useful ally in the past 20 plus years and thus have been more openly critical of its foreign policy. Fighting against groups financed by the USSR was understandable, but things like the Iraq War were nonsensical, and it's no wonder countries like France told Bush to **** off.

No idea how most of the rest of the world views USA. I know a lot of Latin Americans dislike USA based on the several coups USA has been responsible in that part of the world. And naturally, a lot of people in the Middle East and some Muslim majority nations don't like USA either for being the biggest ally of Israel, which is like the mortal enemy for a lot of those countries.

That's pretty much it, I guess.

The whole Iraq thing made sense in that we put Saddam in power, and he motherf*cked us by turning out to be a real sh*tbag, like way bigger than expected. Ergo, he was our mess to clean up, and it just took a really long time to do it but it did seriously need to be done. Dude was a monster.

Obviously, the whole "destabilizing the region" and "give lots of Arabs a new reason to hate America" thing didn't quite go as we planned, but... "Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs" yadda yadda. It was easy for f*cking France to say "Who gives Le Sh*t?" about Saddam when THEY weren't by proxy responsible for all the sh*t he ended up doing. Like, mass graves, genocide, torture and f*cking little girls is all bad enough, but the fact that he only got to do any of that sh*t in the first place because we helped put him in power... yeah, that makes US look bad by association. So I mean... f*ck it, at least we cleaned up the milk we spilled.

We may have accidentally splashed a few drops ELSEWHERE in the act of cleaning up said "milk", but... GeoPolitics is F*cking Complicated.

In any case, "Starting a war" in that region is like popping a fart. We didn't do anything that wasn't going to happen eventually for one reason or another, anyway, and at least we got the f*cker. As usual, we do what needs to be done and come out looking like the Bad Guy while other people sit back going "War's Bad, mmmmkay" as if platitudes have anything to do with Reality.

I mean, "You guys destabilized the Middle East!" sounds all well and good and all, and everyone loves to lay blame... but it all falls apart when you realize that Those People kill each other in genocidal numbers every day over who owns what patch of f*cking Magic Sand. WE are in no way the Bad Guys in that whole ordeal. No WAY.

Actually, it wasn't just USA who ****ed up things in the Middle East. The British sorta did that by suggesting the creation of the state of Israel in Palestine years before WW2 when that region was controlled by the UK.

And the Treaty of Versailles dismantled the Ottoman Empire, stripping control of that area at the time. That probably didn't help either. So the roots of the instability in that part of the world go back a long way.

Well, yes, you put Saddam in power. And didn't CIA also train Bin Laden in the Afghanistan war in the 80s? I mean, it's a big naive to support shady guys and then being surprised the animal bites the hand that fed it.

Saddam and other dictators of that region are/were pieces of ****, ofc, but at the same time did things really get better with their deaths and removal from power. Is Iraq even what we can call a country anymore? And the Arab Spring didn't seem to do Northern Africa anything good either.

I think attempts at exporting democracy to a lot of those places doesn't work. They're just not ready for it like the Western world is. A lot of the locals from those places have views that are still considered backwards and that doesn't seem to combine well with democracy. So no wonder there's a lot of instability in the area.

I think one of the biggest issues here is people just like to see the worst in others so they can feel better about themselves, and it's been going on for years. Heck, I've had this problem for years, wishing more people would flip their sh*t so I relatively wouldn't look like such a raving loon with a short fuse. Even the entertainment industry has been doing this for years. Just look at all the miserable fictional characters out there... Archie Bunker, Squidward, the entire cast of Everybody Loves Raymond. Even worse, they've start retconning pre-existing characters like Superman who was always meant to be a symbol of the good in people... up until now.

Archie Bunker is a gem you godless heathen. Siddown an' shaddap, meathead! :trazz:

Not "nice", but pretty fair.

Frankly, my own ideas about how we "should" be dealing with groups of people who insist on living like it's the Dark Ages when we're a quarter of the way through the 21st Century are a bit... "extreme". To put it kindly, most of the time I think that if they're not willing to smarten themselves up, then we probably ought'a make 'em, by this point. Middle East, Latin America, Asia, just pick 'em... if your people are disproportionately poor and starving and riddled with disease, and you don't have flushing toilets while Over Here we're about to send the Space Force to colonize f*cking Mars, then yeah, Your "Culture" ain't working. And calling it "culture" and "Just a different way of life" as an excuse to handwave all the rape and abuse and slavery and human rights violations just gets harder and harder to justify, to me, now that we have the internet and these people aren't just pictures in a Geography textbook.

But the same people who just shrug and say "Well, It's Their Culture!" and that we should stay out of it, are the same exact people fighting a war about who gets to use which bathroom at school or who has to bake who a gay wedding cake. :roll: Like, "Priorities", y'know?

The whole Israel thing is stupid, and it's just plain anti-Semitism to suggest otherwise, I'm sorry. That's where THEIR "God" told them to be and that's where they wanna be. So the Palestinians think it's "Theirs". Boo-f*cking-Hoo. I'd tell them what I tell the American Indians, "If 'Your God' wanted you to have it so bad, he would'a done more to let you keep it, don't ya think?" I mean, come on already. It all comes off as even more stupid if you're an Agnostic or Atheist. People killing each other in the desert over some mythical "Holy Land" and who owns it. I bet none of them ever stop and think for one second that if God is real, he probably think it's all pretty stupid too. Just let 'em f*cking be, Jesus. That whole situation over there illustrates how much religion ultimately probably does more harm than good. Millions of people dead, for no reason other than their personal Invisible Boss In The Sky told them 'This is YOUR patch of sand!" Abso-f*cking-lutely ridiculous.

Like, it's a good thing for a lot of those people I'm not Lord Super King Big Nuts. Because my "foreign policy" would be "Smarten Up and Behave, Or Else I'll F*cking Spank You." But like I always say, I'm not one who believes in Platitudes or "Soft Solutions". I believe you either Fix the problem, or Shut Up about the problem, but you can't have it both ways. And I'd always rather Fix The Problem, even if the solutions are... "excessive".

But again, are we making the world better, or just jerking off? That's the thing. No "real solutions" ever come easy.

Culture and society are a tricky thing. They both hand in hand. So sometimes it becomes a chicken and egg kind of thing.

A lot of cultures and civilizations go through down periods and golden ages. Back in the Middle Ages, Europe was actually one of the most backward places in the world. The Middle East was a much more enlightened place. They've clearly had been going through a rough period for a long time now, though.

Then the Age of Discovery, the Renaissance and the Enlightenment periods came and Europe became the center of the world.

Funny thing is, the Israel/Palestine region is the holy land for all the 3 Abrahamic religions.

As an Atheist, I have to wonder what made the Abrahamic God decide the land belongs to the 3 religions. Either that god was pretty naive or he just liked watching the world burn. I'm surprised more Christians, Jews and Muslims haven't pondered that. "Why didn't our god just assign different holy lands for each religion?".

Apparently, Madagascar was once suggested as a location for the Jewish nation which would turn out to be Israel. Not sure if that's factual or one of those myths from history, but boy, what a different world we'd be living in right now, right?

I like to stay open-minded. But I have to feel like God sure would have had a bit to say Out Loud by now about all that sh*t. The fact that He hasn't said a word says an awful lot. Either He ain't real or He likes the Chaos. I'm uncomfortable with either, frankly, but I can't see any reasonable Option C.

I'm very serious, and meant to say that Americans should care not about how others perceive them but about the path their country is going down due to the way they (or at least some of them, mostly insane leftists) perceive others to perceive them. If that makes sense. So, I guess we're on the same page. Care not for others, but for yourselves. If you don't care for yourselves, those who do care for the perception of others will change who you fundamentally are in the name of that. Virtue signaling on a grand scale. And it's already started. One day you might wake up and not recognize your own country anymore.

That will be a very bad day for the rest of the world too. I'd prefer not to see it.

Eh, the world forgot how to be good anymore. I'm 110% convinced if Jesus Christ came back in modern day he'd be dead again in a day, and killed by his own people. I detect a very strong 'He has risen! The jig is up! SILENCE HIM NOW!!!!' from all the so-called Holier-Than-Thou Christians.

Not sure he'd ever convince them he was the real deal anyhow. If he didn't come back reflecting the same kind of vitriol and whatnot used by some of their preferred media and talking heads and instead tried to preach unity, compassion, etc, he'd just be dismissed as some bleeding heart leftist commie.

And thus... they "cancel" Jesus and that goes over real well.

Sure, fair enough on that, but it doesn't mean that the country has some obesity problem as compared to the rest of the world that doesn't even take those metrics for themselves. And also, the fat-acceptance movement is a social problem of personal psychology. It's not actually evidence that "all Americans" or even anything close to most Americans are fat and slovenly.

This is how successful people live. We aren't seeing the successful, well adjusted people out in the streets in the last years of news stories.

This was asinine amidst the rest of the conversation. It completely lacks focus and is a commonly used manipulative point any just about any conversation. I know you think you are driving some phantom point home with it, but it's not connected and you didn't.

This post is exactly what I was talking about it in my post just above it. It's completely uniformed and given life by some kind of media perspective that isn't true at all. You are widely by and large safe walking around America in my a total of 99% of the country - even in a place like Chicago this is true. You'll never hear that truth or have it given perspective amidst how the media covers "shootings" and whatnot.

YYup. This is what I mean about foreign people hearing stories and just subscribing to the shallow thinking. It's like here we are in the 2020s and you've still got simple minded ass wipes who hear these stories and can't think for themselves.

I know that I'm growing increasingly vitriolic in these statements, but I have no tolerance anymore. I want the f'n heads of the stupid who propagate this nonsense.

Exactly what I'm saying regularly as well. Again you have people of focus trying to explain this to the people of the internet who have no other outlet but to propagate some extreme narrative which makes it worse.

I want. Heads. From stupid f'n people.

My biggest failing is that I began having these conversations with "the people of the Technodrome" years ago under the thought that it was conversation with normally established people. My failing was not recognizing the situation and joining whereas I should've just observed with the rest of successful America who lols and shakes their head at the thought processes here. But I failed at that in good intent. It's like I said - I used to post here about perspective and remembering that you are talking to swaths of people that you assume are well adjusted but most likely aren't. But now i'm sick of it. I want f'n heads from the idiot population. These will be the same people that read this and then say that I'm calling everyone on the Technodrome group the "idiot population". It's those mouth breathers I want. It's ironic because I have a more positive and realistic world view than the people I'm describing have, but at this point I'm far, far more vitriolic about them. Extremely ironic.

Of course he was a gem, dude! You missed my point though. He was way too much of a hot-head. From what I understand, actor Carol O Connell even had some reservations himself about the role, hence the issues he had with the series creator (or atleast that's how I interpreted it)

Maybe he's really just some Steve Buscemi looking goofball who doesn't know his @$$ from a hole in the ground!

Don't believe the MSM bs machine. You'd get run over for jaywalking long before getting shot. :trolleye:

He's right you know...

If you're serious, this is pretty spot on.

If you're joking, you still nailed it perfectly.

Way better than I could ever write it up.

I'm serious. Member of the European branch of the Church of MAGA over here. The world needs the America you/we had before 2001 back, but it's gonna go away for good, and soon, unless the good people of your country really start caring and do something to preserve that. I grew up on the notion of America as a paradigm of all things good and decent, and while I came to understand that's not always the case - as in any country -, even with its flaws and missteps it's still the best damn example of what a nation should be in the whole of human History. It terrifies me to imagine there will ever come a day when all of that is swallowed up by the utter lunacy we're having pushed on us daily. Not the least because it means my own country and all others are next.