The Technodrome Forums

The Technodrome Forums (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/index.php)
-   TV and Movies (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/forumdisplay.php?f=26)
-   -   'Captain America 4' in the Works With 'Falcon and the Winter Soldier' Showrunner (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=63895)

Autbot_Benz 04-23-2021 03:55 PM

'Captain America New World Order
 
https://i.imgur.com/EFboTOM.jpg


Spellman will pen the script with Dalan Musson, a staff writer on the Disney+ Marvel series.
Malcolm Spellman is picking up Captain America's shield once again.

The head writer and show creator behind Disney+ and Marvel's The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is developing a fourth installment of the Captain America film franchise for Marvel Studios. Spellman will co-write the script with Dalan Musson, a staff writer on Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

No castings for the project are officially known but Friday’s episode offers plenty of roads for the feature to take. Up until this point, Chris Evans has played Captain America via the Steve Rogers character, appearing in a trio of solo movies, Avengers outings, and assorted Marvel movies. And the question of who is entitled to carry the shield or be Captain America was central to the show.

The feature is likely to continue the story of Sam Wilson, played by Anthony Mackie, and the current wielder of the shield. But as the writers get to work, it will interesting to see how the story unfolds with there now being multiple people who have been Captain Americas in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

No director is attached and Evans’ involvement or return remains unconfirmed. Marvel was tight-lipped as usual.

Falcon and the Winter Soldier, which also stars Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes/The Winter Soldier, has earned strong critical and fan reaction. Spellman assembled a nearly all-Black writer's room for the series, which has been praised for bringing the Black experience to the forefront not quite like any other superhero film or TV show before it. The series has tackled issues as every day as discriminatory lending practices, to the original sins of America building itself on the backs of Black people.

The series premiered March 19, to what Disney+ said was its biggest series debut ever, topping popular shows such as Marvel's WandaVision and Lucasfilm's The Mandalorian.

Evans toplined three previous Captain America films, including Captain America: The First Avenger (2011), Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Captain America: Civil War (2016), and retired the role with Avengers: Endgame. When events pick up in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Wilson opted to forgo the title of Captain America, and sees the government give the role to John Walker (Wyatt Russell), a white member of the military.

Spellman was previously a writer/co-executive producer on Fox show Empire and also acted as a consulting producer on crime show Truth Be Told before getting the chance to take the lead on Falcon. He is repped by CAA and Industry Entertainment.

Musson was the credited writer of what is considered among the strongest of the show's installments, episode 5. He is a rising scribe whose previous credit was on Iron Sky: The Coming Race, an action thriller centered on Nazis on the moon. He is repped by Verve and Industry.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...source=twitter

IMJ 04-23-2021 04:27 PM

How stunning and brave.
See, white people are accepting of real inclusion which is why we don't scream "cultural appropriation" all the time when black people come in and try to take or change our stuff.

But it seems that black people want what everyone else has created, but then get angry if someone does a nod to "their culture". But then again no other cultures synthetically produce their own accent to separate themselves from the rest of humanity, either. Black People Outraged At Asian Girl Who Sounds Black In Film.

CyberCubed 04-23-2021 05:40 PM

People will accept a black Captain America because it's Sam Wilson taking up the mantle which is fine.

neatoman 04-23-2021 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1889940)
People will accept a black Captain America because it's Sam Wilson taking up the mantle which is fine.

Uhm... OK? I guess? Not sure what you mean, the impression I got is that most people think MCU Sam is fairly bland and forgettable.

oldmanwinters 04-23-2021 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1889945)
Uhm... OK? I guess? Not sure what you mean, the impression I got is that most people think MCU Sam is fairly bland and forgettable.

He's definitely "the side kick" type in the existing Marvel movies. It's not easy to elevate that type into a viable top-billing film.

Andrew NDB 04-23-2021 06:53 PM

Everyone has a cool "origin story." We know Steve's. Bucky went through literal hell. And they both became super soldiers... one of them with a vibranium arm.

Sam? When you remove race and how "important" that is right now from the equation... what is he? A nice guy with no superpowers with a sister in debt who taught himself to kind of throw a shield over the course of 1 episode, basically. That's not much of anything. Again, I don't think it was even suggested that he invented or can repair (himself) the Falcon wing tech.

neatoman 04-23-2021 07:12 PM

As far as I can tell, it was created by the air force.

IMJ 04-23-2021 08:22 PM

I love Anthony Mackie's Sam. I thought he made that character relevant and likeable as a relevant and very human touchstone for Steve and for good living.
Lost a lot of love for the character during his "put yourself in service to them" speech to Bucky though.

Zulithe 04-23-2021 08:38 PM

Bucky just doesn't have that same cool factor without the Star on his arm. I get why it's gone but his 'costume' is kinda boring. I wish he'd get something cooler.

Wasn't thrilled with the season but it was entertaining. Glad I watched it. Wandavision way better. Looking forward to Loki, which I hope to be closer to Wandavision quality.

Coola Yagami 04-25-2021 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1889945)
Uhm... OK? I guess? Not sure what you mean, the impression I got is that most people think MCU Sam is fairly bland and forgettable.

He means that Sam Wilson is an actual separate character, not that they went and cast a black Steve Rogers. Not that hard to understand.

CyberCubed 04-25-2021 02:02 PM

People are also huge fans of black Captain America.

AquaParade 04-25-2021 03:16 PM

I'm getting a kick out it how many online pundits don't want to admit they like John Walker. Everyone has to temper it "I don't want to say I liked him, but..." as they go on to lavish the character and his arc.

He was a complicated character who was portrayed well. And he was likeable in some ways. I feel like people think it is some kind of political statement to admit they like him.

CyberCubed 04-25-2021 05:14 PM

Eh, I didn't really like him, but I guess that was the point. His character and basically the look of the actor himself were basically designed to be unlikeable.

AquaParade 04-25-2021 07:50 PM

I felt like most attempts to make us dislike him were actually pretty weak.
Up until episode 4, his only real sin was being prideful, which we’ve seen with a lot of Marvel heroes. Even then, he was a pretty friendly guy.

Then episode 4 mixed things up, but when you look at the context, it’s more of a tragedy than anything else - Walker struggles to succeed as Cap, takes serum in hopes to save more lives, loses control of mind from mix of serum and seeing his friend die. So obviously he did the wrong thing there, but I don’t hate him or “love to hate him” as I’ve seen a lot of people say.

ZariusTwo 05-31-2021 06:20 AM

Plans are already changing for the movie. Sharon was supposed to be the villain, but her role will now be 'reduced' due to fan backlash

https://www.cbr.com/captain-america-...-role-changed/

Andrew NDB 05-31-2021 06:25 AM

What? Dumb. I think. But I guess I assumed her big payoff was going to be in the Secret Invasion series as a Skrull. So... she isn't actually a Skrull in Falcon & Winter Soldier? Wow. Maybe TPTB read everyone saying she is obviously a Skrull when she wasn't supposed to be... and rethought everything.

Vegita-San 05-31-2021 07:09 AM

has anyone brought up how they gave us an 'old steve out' in endgame?
that scene with scott turning all different ages is the perfect way to 'young' him again.

my question with old steve was....where was he when his wife was in the hospital dying of Alzheimer's?

or at her funeral? hiding from young steve?

Sumac 05-31-2021 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1893733)
What? Dumb. I think. But I guess I assumed her big payoff was going to be in the Secret Invasion series as a Skrull. So... she isn't actually a Skrull in Falcon & Winter Soldier? Wow. Maybe TPTB read everyone saying she is obviously a Skrull when she wasn't supposed to be... and rethought everything.

Terminator Salvation again?
Could those idiots learn anything from the past mistakes?

Galactus 05-31-2021 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegita-San (Post 1893735)
has anyone brought up how they gave us an 'old steve out' in endgame?
that scene with scott turning all different ages is the perfect way to 'young' him again.

Sure, that's how they were going to fix Thor until Hemsworth talked them into him remaining fat. I imagine though that unless Chris Evans wants to commit to properly returning as Steve Rogers (as in not just a one off or infrequent cameos etc) then it would be pointless turning him young again.

In-universe you could say that the tech is unreliable so not worth the risk and Steve has lived his life and that's enough for him

Quote:

my question with old steve was....where was he when his wife was in the hospital dying of Alzheimer's?

or at her funeral? hiding from young steve?
It's strange to me these questions still come up. It's made clear in the movie that going back doesn't alter history but creates a new timeline that splinters off from the original.

Steve went to live in alternate timeline before returning to the main MCU timeline to reunite with Sam and Bucky. We don't know how his presence affected that history although we know he retrieved that universes Steve Rogers' shield to replace the one Thanos broke.

Vegita-San 05-31-2021 06:01 PM

because of one simple thing. if it was an alternate timeline, how come old steve was there at all? he should have stayed in that alternate universe. if they wanted us to think that it was one, then they should have shown old steve popping up like ant man coming out of the portal.

that's one thing that confuses people. I always assume he got his shield back from the capvrs cap fight. or made another one

IMJ 05-31-2021 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegita-San (Post 1893767)
because of one simple thing. if it was an alternate timeline, how come old steve was there at all? he should have stayed in that alternate universe. if they wanted us to think that it was one, then they should have shown old steve popping up like ant man coming out of the portal.

that's one thing that confuses people. I always assume he got his shield back from the capvrs cap fight. or made another one

Because there was no alternate timeline. Everything that happened happened because Steve went back in time and replaced the stone so as to stop the creation of an alternate timeline.

That was the entire point regarding the conversation between Banner and the Ancient one. The only reason she let him have the stone was because he said that could replace the stones back into the appropriation place to stop the creation of an alternate timeline.

Vegita-San 05-31-2021 07:07 PM

I realize that. the point being debated here is, why does everyone still think old steve was in our timeline?


Lets assume he stayed hidden all these years. where did the new shield come from? make another? if not, then he created another alternate timeline where a steve didn't have one.

but the fact that he seems to simply just appear there naturally would assume he got to that point the long way, so no alternate timeline.

Andrew NDB 05-31-2021 07:27 PM

He was definitely hiding in the shadows in every flashback we've ever seen. Or like when Peggy died... he knew when to avoid the spotlight.

IMJ 05-31-2021 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1893775)
He was definitely hiding in the shadows in every flashback we've ever seen. Or like when Peggy died... he knew when to avoid the spotlight.

Exactly. As for the shield, they don't precisely explain it. There are a lot of possibilities though. It can't be his original shield because it was accounted for across the entire timeline that he was hiding in the shadows during.

Knowing about Wakanda, he could've had another one made there.
During his time jumps to replace the stones, he could've revisited the battle field or reclaimed the two halves of the original and had it repaired in the past.

I mean not much about speculating on that can yield a perfect solution until they cover it in canon at some point (if ever), but... you know... "science fiction answer xyz". Infinity War was damn close to a perfect superhero flick. Endgame, not so much.

ZariusTwo 08-18-2021 02:37 PM

Quote:

Anthony Mackie has closed a deal to carry the shield and his first superhero picture in Captain America 4, sources said.

Kevin Feige’s Marvel Studios keeps its details well under wraps and it isn’t clear whether the movie will involve Sebastian Stan, who starred with Mackie in the well-received Marvel Studios Disney+ limited series The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

Anthony Mackie Captain AmericaThe unofficial title indicates this is Mackie’s vehicle, and it’s an exceptional career moment for the Juilliard-educated actor who has been a bright spot in every film he’s appeared in. That includes the Best Picture winner The Hurt Locker, 8 Mile and The Banker, to his turns as Falcon, the wingman of Captain America, who was handpicked by that superhero to succeed him. The series involved his conflict in taking on the superhero persona. Mackie played Falcon in five Marvel films beginning with Captain America: The Winter Soldier.




Captain America 4 is being scripted by The Falcon and the Winter Soldier head writer and creator Malcolm Spellman, along with series staff writer Dalan Musson. This is not believed to be the top-secret project tipped by my colleague Justin Kroll that might bring Chris Evans back into the fold. A director hasn’t yet been set for Mackie’s film.
https://deadline.com/2021/08/anthony...an-1234817327/

Andrew NDB 08-18-2021 03:23 PM

Pretty sure the title of Captain America 4 was always going to be the title revealed at the end of FATWS. So of course Bucky will be in it.

Andrew NDB 07-08-2022 04:10 PM

They have a director. Yes, of course it's a black guy.

https://screenrant.com/captain-ameri...dF5hXw4D2TGAhU

CyberCubed 07-08-2022 06:41 PM

Since Captain America is black now I hope it's not all about black lives matter.

superstaff 07-08-2022 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1936681)
They have a director. Yes, of course it's a black guy.

https://screenrant.com/captain-ameri...dF5hXw4D2TGAhU

So, basically, if the movie has a black lead, it can only ever be directed by a black person. If it's a female lead, only female directors allowed. And so on. There's no room for 'different voices' in entertainment now. Movies and TV are being segregated by race, sex, orientation, etc. It's no surprise that entertainment is stagnating. This isn't diversity, it's 'keeping the groups from mixing together'.


Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1936710)
Since Captain America is black now I hope it's not all about black lives matter.

Judging from Falcon and the Winter Soldier, I'd say that's unlikely. They're likely going to shove racism moralizing right in the audiences' faces, and there will be absolutely no nuance to it.

Andrew NDB 07-08-2022 08:00 PM

Yeah, the Falcon & The Winter Soldier show shows us exactly what we can expect in that department.

Autbot_Benz 07-23-2022 07:38 PM

https://i.imgur.com/EFboTOM.jpg

CyberCubed 07-23-2022 07:57 PM

Can't wait for Black America.

Andrew NDB 07-23-2022 08:26 PM

I'm fine with it but just please, please don't make it a big "America is racist" thing. They can make a good Captain America movie with Falcon and not need to play that card.

Coola Yagami 07-23-2022 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1939057)
I'm fine with it but just please, please don't make it a big "America is racist" thing. They can make a good Captain America movie with Falcon and not need to play that card.

No they can't. The left loves all race, all the time.

Cowabung-Gal 07-25-2022 04:38 PM

“New World Order”?

:teek:

Andrew NDB 07-25-2022 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal (Post 1939307)
“New World Order”?

:teek:

lol... I know, right? They're just saying it out loud now. Next it will be Shang Chi: Right Side of History.

mrmaczaps 07-25-2022 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz (Post 1939035)

I wish I could say I hadn't seen this coming, but ffs, lets be real. Fvck Marvel.

Autbot_Benz 09-10-2022 02:27 PM

Quote:

DiscussingFilm
@DiscussingFilm
·
4m
Tim Blake Nelson will return as The Leader for ‘CAPTAIN AMERICA NEW WORLD ORDER’ as the main villain. #D23Expo
This should be good

Coola Yagami 09-10-2022 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz (Post 1944002)
This should be good

The Hulk better be in this, or they might as well make Magneto the Fantastic Four villain.

I wonder if New World Order was put in because Cap America- Black Lives Matter would been a little toooooo on the nose so they had to backtrack just a wee bit. Just a weeeee bit but still on the nose.

Autbot_Benz 09-10-2022 02:49 PM

Quote:

DiscussingFilm
@DiscussingFilm
·
25m
Julius Onah describes ‘CAPTAIN AMERICA NEW WORLD ORDER’ as a paranoid thriller. #D23Expo
this sounds interesting


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:59 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.