Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
 

I'm really looking forward to it. I expect a jump in quality from the first Black Panther film.

Bless Chadwick Boseman. Story wise, I think this shakeup will be good for the franchise. I really don't know what to expect.

The movie is tainted by no real Black Panther. It's a real shame what happened to him.

I'm super curious as to what they are going to do with this one. Boseman was so good in the roll - he played a likable guy, a regal king, and a tactical badass.

I almost feel like maybe they should let it rest and give it a reboot in it's own "alternate Universe" or something rather than shoehorning strange events or material in to fit the continuity.

The notion of the Black Panther as a mantle rather than a character is built into the lore, in the comics T'Challa is at at least the ninteenth Black Panther, the movie also makes it explicitly clear he's just one in a long line of Black Panthers. Replacing him should not be that hard in theory.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YkhruCP-2...c42/RCO008.jpg

Yeah yeah. But I'd imagine most/all of the comic book ones lasted more than the equivalent of ONE film.

That and even general audiences nowadays know that the Black Panther moves across time with different panthers.

So I think when someone says "I wonder how they will proceed" it's more about how they will address it, in-story - the absence of T'Challa, etc.

Not to mention the in-story irony of him dying so soon after he just got un-snapped.

https://thedirect.com/article/marvel...martin-freeman

Seems like Martin Freeman ain't too confident about Ryan Coogler's ideas.

Que him being canceled for daring to doubt BLACK OPPRESSED MAN!

I'd love to see M'baku as the next Black Panther. Not really feeling Shuri as a character or actor, to be honest. Nothing against her as a person, but I don't buy her as The Black Panther that I want to see.

Sub-Mariner to debut in this, played by Tenoch Huerta

https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/re...erta-as-namor/

I wonder if he'll be the villian. Sub-Mariner is such an asshole, 90% he's more the villain than anything else. He's like Aquaman but in permanent asshole mode.

Also a good point. What a legacy! He was Black Panther for like 5 minutes. And during that, hm... he failed (or rather, refused) to avenge his father, lost the throne to someone who almost destroyed the world, failed to protect Vision's stone from Thanos, then for an encore vanished from then until the last 5% of Endgame.

I'm wondering if they will have his character be in some kind of limbo the entire film, and not actually dead, that way they still have an 'in' to bring him back in a future movie. Maybe they weren't ready to do that just yet, but want to keep the option there.

I like seeing how creative they can get to continue this story without the central and most important character... but I really don't think they can salvage this the way they think they can without recasting the part.

Yeah. This is an example by natural cause as to how Marvel is too tied to their continuity at this point. Yet the continuity is what has made this whole thing a series of "event films" and let's face it - the continuity has given some of the Marvel flicks a bigger box office than they otherwise would've had without it.

I wonder if the multiverse concept is going to be their way out for certain recasts and other returns.

i've said it many times, superhero movies should've taken the classic james bond route of casting a different actor, continuing the "continuity" not worrying about slight differences in tone or if certain smaller things don't fit 100%. new actor and it's a soft reboot but still the things that they already made movies of " happened".

Kevin Feige used to say that Iron Man was like James Bond - that the character would go on.

But Kevin Feige says a lot of things in the moment and passes them off as if they are by design. During the Iron Man special features years ago who talked about the scene where Iron Man boosts a punch at the Iron Monger on the rooftop. Feige described it as a "Marvel Moment" and explained that every Marvel film will have a great visual moment like that. It couldn't have been more obvious that people thought that was a cool thing in the first movie and Feige came in and branded it after the fact as a "special thing" that was done by edict of their brand.

We all love Kevin Feige, but if you follow him long enough you begin to realize that he's often full of $#!( and chases the zeitgeist - exactly how he went overboard on Captain Marvel being "stronger than an infinity stone" and countless other examples. The point? People are drugged by Marvel "events" and overlook a lot of the nonsense that could lead to the bottom dropping out of the entire thing.

Naw, for some reason these movie fans were eager for characters to die and stay dead. It never made sense to me, these are characters that have faced countless villains countless times, why would they want them to be killed off unless it was comic book related thing. Then they cheered when Superman died in BVS as if he was really gonna stay dead and as if nobody knew he was gonna come back in JL. It was stupid, but that's what the fans wanted after all.

So going the route of Iron Man and whoever just living on via numerous actors would have pissed off the fanbase that insisted on character deaths and 'lasting consequences'.

IMO all the MCU movies have consequences that lead one into the other, especially the entire premise of Civil War, but people don't care about collateral damage, they want character deaths. They pointed more to Superman killing Zod and Superman himself dying rather than the destruction of Metropolis which was what BVS centered itself on.

The thing is, MCU fans should already be braced for such a thing. All the way since getting like back to back to back new Hulk actors, right at the start of the MCU. Or Rhodey? Now suddenly it's a problem?

I mean, by all means let's definitely get all the mileage we can out of each actor that we can until they, A) Age out of the part (and, hey, Ruffalo himself is looking about 80 years old lately), B) Don't want to play the part anymore, or, C) Die. And then it's time to recast. I'll always say this, but the idea of throwing the character into the casket with the actor playing them because the actor dies is INSANE to me, particularly in something like the MCU. It doesn't do anything to preserve T'Challa's "legacy"... it stunts it and makes it something much smaller than it should have been (also, whether or not there have been a bunch of Black Panthers in the past 60 years of the comics or whatever... is showing T'Challa is so easily and quickly replaceable really helping their overall goal here?). And yeah, again, no one is even asking, "Is this what Chadwick really would have wanted?" Like, they don't even want to talk about it. There's just this general vibe of "We know what's best for Chadwick and T'Challa's legacy" despite, you know, everything.

Maybe their solution will be that there is a bunch of Black Panthers at once (I just can't imagine them positioning Shuri as simply his replacement... nobody is going to go for that except out of a sense of guilt). Meh.

Marvel movies are relatively new to the modern audience. But like we've had so many different actors play Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, and Peter Parker...we'll eventually see all the Avengers recasted and people will accept it over time as well.

The MCU has been going on since 2008 that's over a decade, remember how ancient of a movie Return of the Jedi seemed to us as kids? well ROTJ was only 13 years old same as the first iron man movie right now in 1996 when the special editions came out.

Also by the time Iron Man came out Marvel wasn't some new game in town, we had been bombarded by Marvel movies since the year 2000, we averaged 2 marvel movies per year basically, by the time Iron Man came out the super hero genre had already been bloated for a while, the only reason it succeeded was because it tried something new with continuity.

Well even the MCU seems to pretend The incredible hulk didn't really happen, so it's not surprising. Rhodey also happened in the third MCU movie so people were forgiving and it was mostly nerds who noticed, I bet many didn't realize he was the same person from the first Iron Man movie and overall less people invested in the characters. The bigger the MCU got the more you get these crazies who want characters retired.

It was the same crap when Heath Ledger died, I remember there were petitions for the character The Joker to never be played by anyone else ever again in live action. Had TDK not been an ending to the nolan trilogy and they had left it open for more movies I sure as hell would've wanted ar ecasted joker to fight batman in that same continuity.

Nolan did it right in his first two movies by not really killing the villains. Scarecrow escapes and shows up in the sequels, Joker doesn't fall and die but is caught by Batman. Sure Ra's "dies" but we don't actually see him die so you could argue he survived somic book style. They did mess up with Two Face, they should've kept him alive, no reason in killing him, would've given us a good secondary villain that was already set up for the third movie.

I think after ledgers death nolan just didn't care to continue it to leave it open ended so that's why he decided to give everyone a definite end.

Abomination is literally appearing in She-Hulk, reprised by Tim Roth (and I guess he very nearly appeared in Avengers 2). With Ruffalo as Hulk in tow. And there's been General Ross since Civil War. And the events of Incredible Hulk seen on-screen in Iron Man 2. Also in newspapers on the walls of the New York Bulletin in Daredevil.

And yet, recast Katie Holmes and nobody fusses over anything.

I dunno. If the intention was for Nolan to grow the Batman corner of some kind of nascent DC cinematic universe... then of course they should have recasted Ledger and that should've been that. But just as some 3 movie and done thing? It's unfortunate, but whatever. Joker could have added a lot to TDKR, though.

Official plot details reveal Wakanda and Atlantis will clash in the movie over Vibranium, and their interconnected histories will be explored

https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-2-...ampaign=CBR-TW

Well, that means Namor for sure. And I'm guessing they're not going to cast an elfish-looking white dude. Which is fine. I don't really know a lot of Namor fans anyway.

AFAIK, Nolan specifically didn't want to make anything resembling cinematic universe.

Yeah... but given different reports, some tell a story of him being pressured into doing so and basically being like, "No, F off" or at least convincing them to stop pressuring him so. Some say that it very nearly was that. Though even going into "Man of Steel"... if they'd wanted to they could have even then made Nolan's movies part of it. I tend to think that Nolan knew they might consider this... so he intentionally "salted the earth" a bit with TDKR to make sure they wouldn't (basically everybody knows he was Batman, retired, Wayne Manor is an orphanage above the batcave, etc.).

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/black...a-coel-a186644

Something dawned on me this afternoon as my wife and I were discussing the MCU...I think it started with a way to bring in Dr. Doom...but eventually we hit on T'challa.
It started with wondering if Sakovia still existed post snap, and if T'challa's plan to open Wakanda was reversed since he was snapped....and then realizing that he was gone for the whole 5 years, presumed dead anyway just like all the snapped, so who is the monarch of Wakanda? Would T'challa fight to get the mantel back after being gone for 5 years? Or would he let the person who now sits on Wakanda's thrown stay, and leave Wakanda and see the world, where he meets an unfortunate end?

https://www.nme.com/news/film/marvel...ther-2-3025016

bumped to

11/11/22

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/ma...se-date-delay/

Temporarily shuts down production:

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/bl...dRMARpS7zSXrRE

Reportedly the ending to the movie has been changed, due to ongoing drama with Letitia Wright (major spoiler)

https://twitter.com/MyTimeToShineH/s...ad%3Fpage%3D95

Dumb. Dumb that they were going to give it to her, dumb that they're giving it to him, and dumb that they took it away from her for vaccine blowback. Assuming any of this is true.

They're going to market this as a big "farewell to Chadwick" wake to get everyone teary eyed to get those Heath Ledger/Paul Walker dollars while throwing everything he worked so hard to build into the toilet. Or the grave. Or both.

I don't want to believe its all, because, of vaccine drama, but with Holyweird today, who knows?

You can bet the farm it's vaccine drama. If she was a white guy they would have plastered that all the over news and look down on um.. him as the main cause of all this trouble. But she's a black woman so.....

These are problems caused by following the retarded mandates and also by being so glued to the narrative they don't know what to do when one of their fellow woke leftists decides to go off script.

Are you gonna believe some random tweet as the source? I did a google search and non of the big news sites are reporting this, Or anything about her being fired, So this is all fake.

I think it's so unfair how Letitia is being bullied by Disney with their vaccine mandate

They fired Gina Carano for sharing a meme. What do you expect?

Fired AND vilified to the point where bringing up her name causes arguments depending on your politics.

That's the part that gets me. Rather than everyone seeing how stupid and unfair Disney was for doing that, there's this small divide among the people that agree it's stupid and those that actually side with Disney and think she is a terrible person.

I've learned to shut my mouth about her whenever people bad mouth her and act like she deserved to get fired. The woke crazies jump all over you if you bring up 'but Gina did nothing wrong though?'.

I need a new group of friends, it sucks that longtime friends I had are the same people I can't openly discuss Gina, vaccines or Rittenhouse without causing a shitshow or losing some of em. Like everything is good until these 'hot button issues' come up and I'm getting sick and tired of having to either have no opinion or feeling forced to agree with the majority. I have a voice too and I'm sick of it always being the wrong one. I guess it was easier in the old days when everyone just hated Trump.