250 dead in heatwave in U.S. and Canada
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/climat...-b1875368.html

Over 250 reported dead due to heatwave.

Is this the next covid-19?

I woke up to it being 116 degrees here in Seattle 2 days ago... and the power out in my city and many others (everybody using AC). Too many damn people.

Too awful. Heard that part of western Canada supposedly got to over 120. Wtf.

We know people in areas of Oregon that got that 115, 117 temps... Luckily they are okay. Bad enough we've got heat warnings over here on this side as well and our heat index over 100 and itself dangerous, but almost grateful to have it "only" this hot.

If it can be upper 90s and the skin feels like it's going to be seared off you when you get into the car, what the heck does 117 feel like. >.<


Careful out there Andrew, hope you and your family are managing to keep cool, or cool enough.

Damn, here in Moscow we had about 35 C (95 F) for two weeks and I nearly boiled alive. But 46 F!? I would be very very...troubled, if that happen.

Stay safe!!

I guess global warming is real.

Sometime I feel lucky to live in Europe.

I feel bad for the individuals who are currently with this horrific situation.

I wish them well.

Southern Europe has experienced a lot of heatwaves and wildfires during the 21st Century.

I think it's less that and more that... there are suddenly big spikes one way or the other, and not consistent traditional weather anymore. I will explain. Used to be -- at least here in the Pacific Northwest -- there was a nice even Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter (like in the 1980s and 1990s through about the early-ish 2000s). Like you would expect from the dictionary definitions. Now in the Pacific Northwest it is mostly super rainy from the Fall and Winter into Spring... but as Spring sets in, suddenly crazy snow blizzards for a few days randomly (like even in February, March) in between rainy weeks and 0 snow in the actual winters. Similarly, in the Summer between rainy spells it's like a consistent heat... with sudden spikes here and there. I think if you were to straighten the entire crazy curve over the year out... it kind of balances out. "Climate change" for sure.

It was bad. Very bad. I mean, you assume you get an AC and if your AC itself doesn't fail... you're going to be safe. I guess even so, you're not safe anymore. Very troubling. As the population is going to continue to swell, "going green" with power is going to prove to be untenable. I think we have like 1 nuclear power plant here in WA and I doubt it even reaches over here.

Then let our powers combine!

We have wrecked the environment, it's not global warming but climate change since it doesn't have to reflect as just hot weather. The earth will always have crazy changes but you have to lack any conscience to think human's haven't influenced negatively the climate.

Frankly I think we are already "too late" to be able to change things positively, we can only help it not get much worse than it's going to get. It boggles my mind how people, mostly in the US make it a political argument, everyone in the rest of the world seems to agree, with the exception of china/india who know it's bad and just don't care. Even if it were a huge elaborate hoax, I don't see how anyone can be against trying to pollute less the environment a bad thing.

Everything has to be political in America now. The problem is there are way too many people who are fine just prescribing to whatever set of beliefs their political party has majorly ascribed to. It doesn't even need to be an inherently political issue. For many, it's just a team you are on, that you defend to the death. If that requires mental gymnastics, you use mental gymnastics.

I lack conscience, because, I don't believe humans have a lot to do with climate changes. By this margin might as well say, that humans somehow started ice ages or something.

It's our future and even more our children's future unfortunately. That's how mankind will die (if nothing worse happens before).

Fingers still crossed for a Godzilla/King Ghidorah attack. That'd be the most awesome way to go out.

No way. You only think that because Godzilla vs Kong has softened your idea of how terrifying it would be. You can't help it. The trash has warped you.

It would suck so bad. That's why it's great for a movie. It wouldn't just be destruction, it would be our entire line of reasoning collapsing on itself.

Anything we ever thought about science or religion being tossed out the window, with only the knowledge that we'll be dead before we get any type of resolution to our perception of reality being turned completely upside-down.

I mean, I love the idea of it too, I'm just having fun with how terrifying it would be.

Sounds good to me, nothing against it.

I mean it be fun like... watching it on the news in Japan and whatnot. Sounds terrible I know, but it falls under the typical 'eh, it's not my problem' line of thinking. But I'd stop laughing when the reports say 'Rodan was seen flying towards North America, Godzilla soon to follow'.

You assume much.

All of those things are just more reasons why it'd be great. :lol: Every other Apocalypse scenario sucks sh*t by comparison. Global Warming? Boring. Solar flares? Meh. Giant meteor? It's been done.

Giant f*cking nuclear dinosaurs. The only reason God didn't pull that sh*t FIRST before those other things is because He knew it'd be impossible to top.

No, it isn't. Seasonal changes will always exist, Hot or cold. Man has you controlled to believe it's real.

Psh, either way something is obviously different. I miss spring. Any period of comfortable spring temps seems so brief anymore, at least in my region, and hot summer temps showing up a lot sooner than they used to compared to when I was a kid.

May now is always like the premier of the early summer preview and the suffering summer has in store for us. :ohwell:

Or Filo Sopho is messing with Earth's orbit again? :)

EDIT:
How you think that would go down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYzc3aMI-y4

How it would actually go down:
@1:24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdLpdErVnAY#t=01m24s

And the weird weather continues. Here in Texas, it's been rather balmy, in comparison to our usual 100+ summer days. With rain a relatively frequent occurrence since the end of April, keeping the temps lower than they normally would be. But then I see the Pacific northwest getting what is usually OUR kind of summer temps, and it's sobering to see just how crazy the weather is becoming. Unpredictable and dangerous in so many ways, in places it would never have been expected. When it's still "spring" in Texas in June or July, while Washington and Oregon get late-summer "Southern US" temps, you start to realize just how badly out of control we have allowed it to get. And yes, WE are responsible. We are the ONLY species capable of literally changing our entire planet's biology and water cycle.

Guess, humans are responsible for the Ice Ages as well. :lol:

The transition from gas, coal and oil or nuclear power to Solar, wind and water power, and fom fossil-fueled cars to electric cars shouldn't even need be a climate issue at all. It should be about the development of new and more effective technology, and completed between circa 1975–1990.

It shouldn't be more controversial than the transition from NES to Super NES.

If WA is getting Texas' heat spells and Texas is getting WA's rainy spells this is not "global warming." It is climate change, I guess, but more like "climate redistribution." And if we're not talking about either global warming or cooling, then I'm not sure people are responsible for climate change.

For this reason it was renamed to human-induced climate change to better encompass what was happening since not everyone is going to experience the same.

Climate change will happen regardless of what we do but we can definitely affect it as well. It'd be a fairly big coincidence that climate change has been happening at a ludicrous rate since the industrial revolution and that as fossil fuels have increased so has the rate of change. Funny how the three biggest polluters of the world (US, China, India) are also the 3 biggest against change, since their economies would be affected.

And again, even if it wasn't human made, why would anyone be against some inconveniences if it means polluting the environment less, affecting wildlife less, having more green areas and animal diversity, giving a cleaner world to our children bad?

Within reason.

I read a few theories that Fukushima and all that came with that slightly altered Earth's orbit around the sun. *shrug* Maybe.

I am not against it per se, but most of those "fights for the clean energy" are just rat fights between corporations for influence and money.

Any positive outcome is just incidental to their real goals. And statistics mean little, when they are created by the same corporations.

This is kind of where I go at odds with the right -- though not in terms of any kind of climate anything. There's just too many people. At some point I think even the people furthest on the right must accept that. There just is, or will be in the foreseeable future.

Because this touches on everything. You have a house now and a livelihood (I do, for now)? Great. But will your grandchildren or even children, when stuff like basic rent goes up 300% in 10 years, as it has been since I graduated high school? Because it isn't just going up willy nilly (it is supply and demand), and big government stepping in to "solve" rent control is just a bandaid (and right now they show no signs of even doing that). Sooner or later we're gonna have to face the fact that we can't just keep crapping out kids however we please and tripling our population every couple of generations.

I'm no tree hugger... but at a certain point what are we supposed to do? Just start demolishing apartments and stacking them up 30 stories high? And then 60 a decade later? Or if not, should we just keep burrowing into forests or desert-esque land? Forever? None of these things seem like overall survivable business models.

The whole world can comfortably fit in Texas, it's not a question of how many people as much as its how we use resources.

The world population is currently 7.9 billion people, is that really possible? If you build apartment buildings that go 30-50 stories high everywhere and everyone gives up houses forever, then sure. People would have to give up owning houses and land forever, and the other land would be government owned for farming to grow crops and livestock, etc.

That's very likely to happen. Are there any other solutions? And when there won't be any space left in the sky we will start digging holes into the ground and building subterranean cities.
What's next? The Moon? Mars? I'm glad I will be dead already.

As a matter of fact.... Overhunting of megafauna by early humans DURING the ice ages helped bring about the warmer climate that allowed the development of agriculture. Which then allowed permanent settlements to be established and grow. We hunted many of the largest mammals to extinction, helping to alter the ecologies of their habitats. Which in turn altered the global climate. And now we're doing it again, except this time, we've added massive amounts of garbage pollution just for funsies.

Any prove of that? Source? Links?

Last I've read it was vice-versa - climate change led to the death of mega-vegetarians, than predators had followed. Which is why humans had to become more creative to find food for themselves. Also, I hardly can believe there were enough humans to kill all of the mega-fauna.

At the very least, it was a combination of both factors, though, I still don't buy "overhunting" theory, since it smells of tree-hugging idiots hating on humanity, because, Mommy didn't buy them pony.

Population is not a problem - ineffective usage of resources is. Theoretically Earth can handle about 30 billion people, but for that its resources needs to be carefully managed, which is not the case.

As of now? I dunno, unless all Earth governments cooperate we gonna see more and more crisis and wars in near future. Not necessarily tied to the overpopulation, but to the war for resources.