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oldmanwinters 09-09-2021 11:24 AM

End of Mirage Group
 
Don't know if this has been posted or not, but it's a downer for me. An end of an era.
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September, 2021
Mirage Studios sold the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles intellectual property to Viacom/Nickelodeon in October 2009 and, after winding down business affairs over the last dozen years, the four Mirage corporations (Mirage Studios, Inc., Mirage Licensing, Inc., Mirage Publishing, Inc., Mirage Management, Inc.) were dissolved in 2021. Mirage is no longer conducting any merchandise sales, either directly through this site or via eBay as of September 19th, 2021.
This site will no longer be updated and is being maintained primarily as an archival resource related to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comics published by Mirage between the years 1984 and 2010.
While Mirage has gone out of existence, but thanks to you, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turltes will live on forever. Thank you all for your years of support. It has been a pleasure sharing the Turtles’ story and universe with you.
Cowabunga!

https://www.miragelicensing.com/
http://i.imgur.com/O6sksR9.jpg

Andrew NDB 09-09-2021 11:37 AM

Well that's a scrotum kick I wasn't expecting. Also, not very comforting as to the chances of Vol. 4 being continued anytime in the foreseeable future.

oldmanwinters 09-09-2021 11:38 AM

Largely irrelevant question at this point, but did the 2009 franchise sale to Nickelodeon grant the "can publish 18 comics a year" provision to Peter Laird himself or to "Mirage Group," and how does the dissolution of said company affect the agreement, if at all?
https://www.mtv.com/news/2595341/doe...end-of-mirage/

Coola Yagami 09-09-2021 11:39 AM

Damn. I'll always remember them fondly as the creator of the teenage mutant ninja turltes.

Andrew NDB 09-09-2021 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters (Post 1905028)
Largely irrelevant question at this point, but did the 2009 franchise sale to Nickelodeon grant the "can publish 18 comics a year" provision to Peter Laird himself or to "Mirage Group,"

Strictly Peter himself and strictly in terms of projects he himself would have a heavy hand in. Untransferable to anyone, even family members and is void when he dies.

profobligadoo 09-09-2021 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1905027)
Well that's a scrotum kick I wasn't expecting. Also, not very comforting as to the chances of Vol. 4 being continued anytime in the foreseeable future.

I've lost all hope for a conclusion to vol 4.

Andrew NDB 09-09-2021 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by profobligadoo (Post 1905032)
I've lost all hope for a conclusion to vol 4.

Probably reasonable to do at this point. Or even for a "fan" one. Maybe in a few years Lawson might change his tune but any sort of conclusion without him (he won't be involved without Peter) wouldn't be worth doing, frankly.

Sharman 09-09-2021 12:02 PM

Indeed a stark moment. But all good things ...
:tcry:

Andrew NDB 09-09-2021 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharman (Post 1905037)
Indeed a stark moment. But all good things ...
:tcry:

... came to an end? Like 10 years ago? Yeah, I guess.

mrmaczaps 09-09-2021 12:23 PM

Sad day. RIP TMNT. At least decent TMNT stuff. :tlol:

AquaParade 09-09-2021 12:30 PM

My favorite Mirage cover:



RIP.

CyberCubed 09-09-2021 12:47 PM

Goodbye, sweet prince.

They posted more on the history page:

https://www.miragelicensing.com/html/tmnt-history.html

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A BRIEF MIRAGE STUDIOS TMNT HISTORY
Background
The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were the crazy creation of comic artists Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird. With a few thousand dollars of borrowed money, the duo, doing business as Mirage Studios, created, wrote, drew and self-published 3,000 copies of a black and white Turtle comic in 1984. The comic was an immediate success and the first issue was reprinted several times to satisfy initial demand. Over the next two years, sales of the self-published black and white comic grew to a then record-setting130, 000 copies per issue and a small amount of licensing activity took place in the role-playing game, trading card and collectible figures areas. In late 1986 and early 1987, Mirage entered into agreements with Surge Licensing, Playmates Toys, and Murakami, Wolf, Swenson Films. These agreements put into place the marketing, merchandising, and entertainment engine that would introduce the Ninja Turtles to the world at large and fuel the property’s tremendous success.
The success of the TMNT has now spanned decades and has included: multiple theatrical motion pictures, hundreds of half-hours of TV programming, top-10 all time sales status for worldwide sales of toy action figures, over 1,000 worldwide merchandise licensees, record setting sales of video games, sold out live-tour stage shows around the world and record-setting fast-food promotions. Just some of the records established by the Turtles during their first twenty-five years are as follows:

• #1 Rated Saturday morning TV show, and highest rated in its time slot ever for CBS.
• #1 Rated daily syndicated animated TV strip for children.
• #1 Top grossing independent film when released in 1990.
• #1 Best selling toy line in 1991, above G.I. Joe and Barbie.
• #1 Male action figure toys in 1990 and 1991, with over a 70% market share.
• #1 Live touring arena show in the U.S.A. in '90s.
• #1 Nintendo 8-bit and Gameboy video game in the world in 1991.
• #1 Kids' breakfast cereal in the world from Ralston Purina in 1991.
• Only non-Disney characters to appear on cover of Disney magazine and at Disney parks.

Along the way to setting the above records, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles became the most successful “character introduction” in history and redefined the children’s entertainment and trademark licensing and merchandising businesses for all time.

Movies
Between 1990 and 1993, three live-action theatrical motion pictures were produced by Golden Harvest Films and distributed by, then fledgling mini-major, New Line Cinema. The total amount grossed by these films translated into some of the industry’s highest rankings. The first picture ranks in the top grossing movies of all time, and it was the 4th highest grossing movie of 1990. Furthermore, both the first and second movies have spots on the list of the most rented videos of all time. All three of the live-action Turtles films continue to be broadcast on TV on a regular basis around the world.
In 2007 Warner Bros. and The Weinstein Company released the CG animated movie TMNT produced by Imagi Studios. Like the 1990 movie, the 2007 movie won the opening weekend box office race and the film went on to rank in the top 50 U.S. and worldwide films for the year.

Television
The immensely successful long run of the Turtles animated series began in syndication in late 1986, when Murakami, Wolf, Swenson Films produced an initial five episode mini-series. Despite the immediate popularity of the mini-series, no one could have predicted at the time that the first series would last 10 years, set all sorts of ratings records and produce an animation library of almost 200 half-hour shows. It was only a programming decision by CBS in 1996 to go with an all FCC friendly educational line-up on Saturday mornings that led to the cancellation of the original series.
In 2003 a new animated series, produced by 4Kids Entertainment and Mirage, debuted on the Fox Network in the US. Over 150 half-hours were produced and broadcast around the world in over 20 languages.

Toys
Playmates Toys, Inc. has been the worldwide master toy licensee since 1986. Since that time, Playmates has sold hundreds of millions of toys, making the Turtles one of the top action figure toy lines of all time. In 1990 and 1991, the Turtle toy line held over 70% of the action figure market. And, in 1992, it was estimated that 9 out of 10 boys age 3 to 8 in the U.S. owned at least one Turtles action figure. Playmates continues to sell Turtles toys around the world.

Merchandise
Ninja Turtles merchandise, including everything from sleepwear to shaped ice cream, has been sold and distributed through a network of over 1,000 licensees in virtually every country on the planet.
Interactive
Over the first 25 years, Konami produced and released several hugely successful video games and arcade games, including: "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles", "Back From The Sewer", "Turtles in Time", and "Tournament Fighters". In fact, in unit sales, the Turtles are one of Konami’s best-selling video games ever. In January, 2006, Mirage awarded the video game license to Ubisoft, and they released several successful games based on the 2007 CG animated movie.

The Turtles popularity has lasted much, much, longer than any of the “experts” predicted in the late '80s, when they first burst on the scene. The combination of its many records and longevity truly establishes the Ninja Turtles as one of the few evergreen properties in the entertainment world, and one of the few properties to accomplish worldwide gross revenues in the billions of dollars.
https://c.tenor.com/lwoEK94gr8EAAAAC/crying-sad.gif

The end of an era for sure.

oldmanwinters 09-09-2021 12:49 PM

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Only non-Disney characters to appear on cover of Disney magazine and at Disney parks.
Now THAT surprises me. And I'm also surprised that anyone could have access to enough data to make the claim! Is that still true to this day?

Andrew NDB 09-09-2021 12:51 PM

But still... what does this really change from yesterday? Or a year ago? Or ten years ago?

CyberCubed 09-09-2021 12:53 PM

Because now Mirage is officially dissolved as a company? They were still in existence as a skeleton crew for last several years. Mirage essentially now is no longer in operations, they're out of business.

oldmanwinters 09-09-2021 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1905048)
But still... what does this really change from yesterday? Or a year ago? Or ten years ago?

The lack of being able to marvel over the sale prices of vintage items on Mirage's ebay store.
http://i.imgur.com/zSPyYDYl.jpg

Andrew NDB 09-09-2021 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1905049)
Mirage essentially now is no longer in operations

But they haven't operated anything in over 10 years now. Again, nothing has really changed. Just... instead of sporadic eBay auctions of nick-knacks that 99.9% of the fandom didn't even know were happening at ninjaturtles.com, now there will be 0.

frank_one 09-09-2021 01:00 PM

How come those four Mirage corporations were still alive after more than 10 years? :|
Irrelevant news, we all know Mirage died in 2009. This isn't in any way related to the possibility of new Volume 4 issues coming.

Andrew NDB 09-09-2021 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by frank_one (Post 1905055)
This isn't in any way related to the possibility of new Volume 4 issues coming.

It is a little bit. If Peter intended to "publish" Vol. 4 #33 it'd reason to think he'd at least bother to protect the "Publishing" part from lapsing.

Chris 09-09-2021 01:13 PM

Sad to hear. Not unexpected, they’ve been in wind down for a long time now, but this is the official end of the Mirage era (even if it was technically over a decade ago). I have fond memories of getting almost all of my Mirage comics from them around 1999/2000 and getting to know the characters beyond the original cartoon and it’s the reason I’m still a fan today.

Roseangelo 09-09-2021 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters (Post 1905046)
Now THAT surprises me. And I'm also surprised that anyone could have access to enough data to make the claim! Is that still true to this day?

I can't speak for the Disney magazine covers, but in the parks they had Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and the Muppets. Disney owns the first and third now, but didn't when they were added to the parks. And they still don't own Indiana Jones.

oldmanwinters 09-09-2021 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo (Post 1905065)
I can't speak for the Disney magazine covers, but in the parks they had Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and the Muppets. Disney owns the first and third now, but didn't when they were added to the parks. And they still don't own Indiana Jones.

I don't recall any LucasFilm or Muppets characters appearing informally for picturing-taking with park goers during the three times I visited the Florida parks (prior to their Disney acquisitions), but I did get photos and autographs with the Turtles and April at the old Disney-MGM Studios park after their stage show, so maybe that's what the Mirage website had in mind.

I DO seem to remember Power Rangers making a few appearances on the old Disney Adventures magazine (which were not owned by Disney at the time) plus a variety of movie franchises like The Mask and Batman during the 1990s. The Turtles might have been the first:
https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Disney_Adventures

IndigoErth 09-09-2021 03:51 PM

Sad. Granted, I had assumed it pretty much already had, for all intents and purposes, but still sad to see it made official. :ohwell: I suppose the stock of stuff they wanted to sell off on eBay has reached its end and that'll be that.

Andrew NDB 09-09-2021 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo (Post 1905065)
I can't speak for the Disney magazine covers, but in the parks they had Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and the Muppets. Disney owns the first and third now, but didn't when they were added to the parks. And they still don't own Indiana Jones.

Don't they? I know Paramount has some distribution rights, possibly forevermore... but Disney owns the IPs, surely.

Roseangelo 09-09-2021 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1905077)
Don't they? I know Paramount has some distribution rights, possibly forevermore... but Disney owns the IPs, surely.

Just looked it up. I guess it was included in the Star Wars/Lucasfilm acquisition. Now I know!

MikeandRaph87 09-09-2021 04:23 PM

I only go to Miragelicensing every six weeks or so since it's just random retro figures sold on Ebay. That being said I have yet to see the message. It's sad. It's ninjaturtles.com. I remember discovering it in July 1998 on one of my earliest explorations of the internet. It was a Friday ritual for over a decade in the closing of my formative years. Like Winters despite it already being a dead studio I feel a gut punch and sadness about this.

neatoman 09-09-2021 04:45 PM

Well... Considering something I wrote this or last week, it kind of feels like nothing. Like sure, this is the official end but in any practical sense the company has been dead for a decade, it essentially didn't exist long before this news. The last time they published something new was in 2014 and that just a 30 page comic that was literally given away for free. And I literally haven't ever benefited from their direct existance ever as all my copies of Mirage Studios comics are IDW reprints, nearly all comics they could reprint legally have been reprinted by IDW anyway, I could not buy directly from them anyway because I don't live in the US, there is no secondary source to buy their publications from and the only Mirage TMNT comic I have that isn't an IDW-reprint and IDW haven't printed is one I came across used by luck. In a symbolic sense I guess it's sad but I'm not going to act like this is something to care about in any meaningful way.

The only actual meaningful question is, does Peter Laird lose the rights to finish the comic nobody here thinks he even cares to finish?

King Kahn 09-09-2021 05:13 PM

bit of a bummer but honestly they were just a shadow the last 12 years anyway.

Tortuglio 09-09-2021 08:29 PM

Saw it just now over on Facebook and came here right away.
My only question is, as a few have expressed, if this means that Peter Laird is definitely not finishing vol 4.
It was a long shot for sure, but this would be a 100% "NO" and that's a big downer really. :tcry:

Andrew NDB 09-09-2021 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tortuglio (Post 1905127)
Saw it just now over on Facebook and came here right away.
My only question is, as a few have expressed, if this means that Peter Laird is definitely not finishing vol 4.
It was a long shot for sure, but this would be a 100% "NO" and that's a big downer really. :tcry:

It's not so much a for sure "no," it's just not a good sign at all. Like, it wouldn't have cost much of anything to keep the light on in the "Publishing" side just in case. Which isn't to say he NEEDS the light on with Publishing to do more Vol. 4. Again, it's just not a good sign.

Powder 09-09-2021 08:43 PM

The last time we got a new Vol. 4 issue it kinda just came out of no-where. I'm not getting my hopes up at all, I don't think we'll ever see any new material again, personally, but the site shutting down has little to do with it. All Mirage had been the last decade was a liquidation sale. Most of the guys had emptied their offices & worked on stuff from home, as I understand it. One person popped in a week to ship orders, & occasionally another of the gang would pop in to grab art supplies or an old collectible. The ship sailed with the buyout in 2009, so I'm none too gutted by this. We all knew it was coming & may well have already happened ages ago. Most old-school fans did their mourning already, so to speak. Mirage will live on in our hearts & through future commissions from Dooney & fan projects featuring Lawson. I only wish I had the opportunity to see the place in person while it was still active, that would've been super cool.

Jephael 09-09-2021 09:23 PM

I was pretty taken aback when I read the news on Facebook during my break at work earlier. I even tried to contact Dan Berger about this on Facebook, though it looks as if he may have left that site, so I'm writing him an e-mail. To be completely honest, I'm more upset over the idea that Dan isn't going to bother posting the Archie comics stuff on the Mirage Group website than Volume 4 possibly never being concluded.

IndigoErth 09-09-2021 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by King Kahn (Post 1905088)
they were just a shadow

Or... just a mirage.

frank_one 09-09-2021 09:45 PM

What makes me REALLY sad is Peter not updating his blog(s) since 2018. He completely disappeared from the web three years ago.
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Originally Posted by IndigoErth (Post 1905137)
Or... just a mirage.

Good one :)

CyberCubed 09-09-2021 09:56 PM

I mean when you stop to realize all of the Mirage staff are in their 60's now, it is pretty obvious they're all senior citizens. Within the next 15-20 years, as morbid as it sounds, most of them will be dying off. It's obvious most of them are in retirement or heading there soon.

With no TMNT comics to publish, there was nothing to do.

oldmanwinters 09-09-2021 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephael (Post 1905135)
I'm more upset over the idea that Dan isn't going to bother posting the Archie comics stuff on the Mirage Group website.

Not sure I follow what you mean.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1905140)
Within the next 15-20 years, as morbid as it sounds, most of them will be dying off.

There's no guarantee any of us will make it that long either, bud.

mrmaczaps 09-10-2021 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1905140)
I mean when you stop to realize all of the Mirage staff are in their 60's now, it is pretty obvious they're all senior citizens. Within the next 15-20 years, as morbid as it sounds, most of them will be dying off. It's obvious most of them are in retirement or heading there soon.

With no TMNT comics to publish, there was nothing to do.

15 to 20 years? No one has that long. :tlol:

CyberCubed 09-10-2021 03:51 PM

PL is 67 right now, how long do you think he'll live? He seems like he takes care of his health so I can definitely see him pushing way passed 80. Maybe 85-90.

The-Shredder 09-10-2021 04:33 PM

End of an era. :tsad:

TMNTChris1980 09-10-2021 10:12 PM

I'm looking at the end of Mirage as the literal end of the Mirage turtles, and the independent comic scene of that era. Mirage has always had that underground vibe to it. They were the punk rock of comics. They published their own stuff, worked with their friends, and made the comics they wanted to.

I know the TMNT are Nick property, and have been for close to ten years now, but Mirage was always in the background, with a possibility of V4 getting completed, or a random comic that one of the guys would do. I know that a lot have them have done Kickstarters, but to me I had always thought something new would get a Mirage release.

In this era of giant corporations owning every license, and changing them into one homogenized product, Mirage Studios serves as the benchmark for what a studio/publisher can be. Make the comics you want, with the artists you want, and don't worry about the bottom line.


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