Should the U.S. split into two?
 

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As in, should the red states secede from the blue states, or vice versa, and things kind of become two countries?

All states are red states, there are just blue counties... But we need to tar & feather the communists.

Pretty sure they tried that once and it didn't work.

At the end of the day, it's called "The UNITED States of America" for a reason. Whatever our differences, be they political, economic, philosophical, spiritual or otherwise, the POINT of this country has always been that people can overcome those differences and find a way to co-exist. Segregating would be an admission of defeat, saying in no uncertain terms that people CAN'T overcome their differences and are all better left to their own kind.

That's exactly the opposite of what America represents.

If some people seriously think that "It just isn't worth it anymore," or that they'd rather only fraternize with their own kind exclusively... those people should take a long hard look in the mirror. Because they're the problem.

No.

(You know things are sideways when Bill Maher is a voice of reason.)

Even when they hate the country they're in and their favorite thing to do is to say how much they do everyday?

I said that last week when he was screaming at the Democrats for not taking the issues in the schools seriously. :lol:

I mean, the administrators in Loudoun County, VA covered up the sexual assault of a female student in the girls' room, because her assailant claimed to be trans (or at the least, was wearing a skirt so they could have access to the girls' room). The perpetrator quietly got sent to a different school, where they raped another girl just a few weeks ago. All the while, the school board tried to cover it up, even lied about whether or not any of it even happened. Because making some kids feel "more secure in their gender identity" was more important than keeping people safe and exercising common sense. And THEN there's all the CRT stuff schools are being pushed to teach, and kids being told as young as age 5 that if you're white, you're evil and the source of all society's problems.

All the while, Maher's like, "You guys (Democrats) are gonna lose in Virginia, because you're not listening." In typical Democrat fashion, those in power spent the election cycle TELLING people what they SHOULD care about, and How, and not listening to what they DO care about, and Why. We see how that played out. Even in states where Democrat candidates won their positions, there was a bit of a Red Wave. Over here in NJ it was a real squeaker, and a LOT of people are f*cking PISSED that we got Murphy again. When your property taxes under a Democrat governor are $10-15,000 a year, you start exploring any and all other options. Just for example.

Anyways, I generally don't care much for Maher as I find him a bit too smug and some of his takes on things are flat-out garbage. I also can't help but notice that more than anything else, his only true consistent trait is that he rages against whichever side is in power. When the Republicans are in control, he talks constant sh*t about them, but when the Democrats are in power he suddenly has a ton of bad things to say about them, too. I don't think he's ENTIRELY insincere - he always raises good talking points, even if I don't agree with his position on This or That - but I do think that he's more concerned with simply being an iconoclast more than he is in having a consistent point of view.

But yeah, lately he's been on the ball with a ton of what he's been saying. Especially with pointing out how badly Democrats talk down to people as if anyone who disagrees with them is an idiot or a monster. You don't win people over that way no matter how sure you are that you're "on the right side of history". We're seeing that now with Biden and Harris's approval ratings tanking.

I don't actually watch the guy (I don't watch any political TV whatsoever) but my father-in-law watches him all the time, so I see/hear a lot when I'm in the kitchen making dinner.

They're annoying, but pretty sure it was established on Day One that they still have a right to their opinion.

Anyone who hates it here that much can by all means move elsewhere. Some have, most don't. I don't think secession or a mass exodus is the answer to anything. For starters, if all the Liberals packed up and left, inside of five years their socialist utopia would completely fall apart and they'd be begging to rejoin the Union with their tails between their collective legs, because a society needs infrastructure and People In Charge, two things most liberals don't care for or believe in. So it would be a colossal waste of time.

The ones who slay me are the ones who move to Canada and claim that it's because they couldn't stand all the racism in the U.S. I suppose when you move to a place where 99.9% of the people are white, that DOES cease to be a pressing concern. :lol:

No, the country needs to put on it's big girl/boy pants and work out its differences and growing pains rather than running to respective corners and crying about wanting to split up and go home.

Breaking up would probably just completely forfeit any standing we have in the world in the minds of everyone else. If the U.S. can't even work out its own issues, then who would we even be to think we're a world leader. The two sections would inevitably just be weaker. One probably turning too liberal on too many issues and the other turning into the Christian version of the Middle East... Both would likely fail if you take out the balance of needing to find center ground.

I don't know about all THAT. If you look at the places in the U.S. with the most violent crime, homelessness, and people sh*tting in the street and passing out with needles in their arm on the steps of the elementary school... those places are OVERWHELMINGLY Democrat-controlled.

For better or worse, the parts of the country that are predominantly Republican have their sh*t collectively way more together. Some things go beyond political opinion into simple statements of fact. That's why when people get old, they almost always move to places that are predominantly conservative. They're just nicer, safer, cleaner places to live. Or why rich people send their kids to schools in conservative districts and not liberal districts; same thing. They want their kids to learn actual skills, not be spoon-fed gender studies and critical race theory nonsense.

So I think if things DID fracture along Red and Blue lines... not much would change on the Red side, things would be pretty much the same as they are now. The Blue side, though, would fall apart pretty quickly. San Francisco used to be nice; not so much anymore.

I think they'd probably realize they screwed up the first time they sent a social worker instead of a cop to try and defuse a violent domestic dispute, and three people ended up dead as a result. You'd see a lot of that.

Wait... There is something familiar about this concept... I could have sworn there is a point in history where something similar almost happened... Hmmm... I don't know, it just seems like it was something that has already happened before... I just can't put my finger on what it was...

All depends. If they keep going with the mandates, if they sneak the social credit system here, and slowly turn the US into China 2.0, hell yeah, divorce this country. I'm sticking on the side of sanity and common sense.

Commies won't allow this.
They are parasites - until everything is consumed - they won't stop.

Eventually, it won't matter what they allow. We keep going down this route, it WILL happen.

Absolutely not.
But you better believe that if it was ever going to happen it would be born of some cross section of the younger $#!(bag generation out there wandering around now.

Thing is, without workers (i.e. proletariat), which Leftards are supposed to help with, those smoothie consumers won't be able to do anything. Because, hi-tech is impossible without raw materials and for raw materials you need factories and workers in your home land or you need to buy **** overseas.

Obviously smoothie lovers won't go into mines, so they will give this task to the migrants (or force them to, like commies do). It won't turn out well, since there will be constant mutinies about payment and quality of life, which eventually result in the brutal rules established to keep migrants in line, which maybe will produce some results.

But since after hypothetical division, economy would be in shambles they won't be able to buy stuff overseas, so basically in order to do anything, they will NEED a brutal dictatorship to make things work.

So, as we can saw back in 2020 with all those CHADs territories, it will boil down to the tyranny and enforcing rules. But since, modern commies are imbeciles, it will crumble ASAP.

Please don't. It would only weaken the West in favour of the People's Republic of China.

4Didn't you guys fight a civil war a long time ago? You don't want another one do you?

Anyway, where would that leave Alaska and Hawaii?

Alaska would be relatively fine because its isolated. Hawaii is also isolated but democrat controlled so a slow burn & everyone ends up dead. America is at war already yet most refuse to believe it & just keep doing what they're doing...

I think eventually we will. The left will never get along with the right.

However the left just wants the right gone. Even if the US split, the left will continue to bother the right. They'll still demand the right states turn left anyway. They just can't leave **** alone.

I don't know about gone, but they would sure like the right to be more ideologically in line with them. The Democratic Party has greater control over American society (Politics, Arts, the press etc.), but they need the services of all the Republician factory workers, soldiers and blue collars if they are to continue exercising control and power, which I don't see the left losing anytime soon.

There couldn't even be a "war" because Lefties not only shy away from conflict, they wilt whenever confronted with it.

They'd have no military because military people all lean Right. They'd have no manufacturing, farming, trucking, or construction, because all of those people lean Right, too. Basically, anybody who works a "real job" leans Right. And if you lose those people, your society can't function.

If there was any kind of "split" it would go very poorly for the liberals. Whether they like it or not, everything that makes the country run is indelibly wedded to Conservative people with Conservative values. Only elitist types who've been raised with privilege and never lived outside of their bubble skew liberal, because they lack perspective on how the real world works. They believe in things that sound good on paper, and come from a well-meaning place, but simply wouldn't ever work in reality. As mean as it sounds, they have too much empathy, and they care too much about feelings.

It just wouldn't happen. As much as they screech, they'd very quickly realize that the people they look down on for being "uneducated" and "backwards" are the ones who actually get things done. Someone has to drive those cups and those bags of coffee beans to Starbucks, someone has to tear down that bookstore and build a Starbucks in its place, and so on... and the people who drive those trucks and do those construction jobs are mostly Conservatives. At some point, Liberals would realize that.

I don't think splitting a huge country in two would work.

At most maybe a couple of states could secede or attempt to do so and become independent nations.

Like I dunno, Texas and California. They're both huge, highly populated and very large economies. They'd still be top 20 economies in the world if they were independent nations, I believe.

Not saying it's going to happen. It won't. But if any states left the country and became independent nations it would be those two. It wouldn't be Wyoming or some place like that.

Also, didn't USA buy Alaska from Russia? I guess that ended up being a good move after all.

We got Sarah Palin out of it. She's pretty hot for an old broad.

The Democratic Party establishment is well aware of this reality, they just prefer being the bosses and not the workers. Better make their opposition work for them, while their own kind enjoy the riches.

Meh never did it for me.

I like brunettes. I like chicks with big boobs. I like older chicks. I like when they're so stupid they don't even know how stupid they are.

What can I say? She ticks several of my boxes. :lol: I was mad McCain didn't win the election because we would've had four straight years of seeing that Palin bimbo on TV.

I mean, there's also the fact that McCain would have been an infinitely more qualified President that Obama but nobody honestly cares about things like that. I just got used to seeing Palin everywhere and I wanted that to keep going.

Also, the porn parodies were incredible.

I like older brunettes with big boobs as well, but I don't find Palin attractive.

Anyway, McCain ran at the wrong time and place. After 8 years of Bush Jr., it was gonna be hard for Republicans to win again. Plus he ran against Obama who was young and charismatic and also had the whole the bonus of his possible election being inclusive. And Adding Palin as his VP didn't help either. So yeah, the odds were against McCain from the very beginning.

That being said, McCain seemed like a very decent fella. He was very respectful to Obama and during his entire campaign from what I remember. He's much more sympathetic and gets more respect from me and most people than Trump and Romney do, that's for sure.

All of that is very true. The Republicans already had the deck stacked against them after having been in office for 8 years, but the Democrats were savvy in putting the entire thing on the "Change" slogan. People were worn out from the war and seeing Bush on TV every day for so long; "change" was something that sounded refreshing, even though it was just a bullsh*t marketing slogan.

Plus, this was the beginning of the "Blame everything on Evil White Men" propaganda campaign which we're still seeing in action today. You literally couldn't criticize Obama because then "You're racist". Nobody wants to be called a racist, so most people just fell in line, even though the guy had no record to speak of, and what record he HAD from his days in Chicago was pretty terrible if you actually dug into it. Stuff like staging sit-ins at banks where a bunch of poor black people would demand home loans they could never pay back, and scream "racism" if they didn't get them. Like NO, you're not getting denied for a home loan because you're black, you idiots, it's because you work at f*cking McDonalds and are therefore considered a bad risk.

Most of the people Obama led on those little "protests" did in fact get the loans they asked for, and - Spoiler Alert! - couldn't pay them back, and then defaulted, and it's a thing that went on nationwide and had a catastrophic affect on the real estate market. The housing market collapse circa 2008 wasn't JUST because of that... but a LOT of it was. It was predominantly all from people being given loans they could never, ever pay back; the banks were called "predator lenders", and yeah, a lot of them were... but in many cases, their hands were tied, because they "had" to give out those bad loans or else they'd be called "racist".

So it was f*cking comical to me that Obama was the one promising to "fix" all of it, and furthermore, that people trusted him to do so... he was one of the people responsible for the market collapse in the FIRST place! HE forced banks to give out bad loans, and then he called them assholes over it! :lol: This is the stuff you find out when you actually f*cking read. Which nobody who voted for Obama actually did, or else they wouldn't have f*cking voted for him.

But yeah, that campaign was the beginning of using race politics to rig things in your favor, and so the Democrats were able to manufacture an unbeatable, un-criticizable "bulletproof" candidate while taking advantage of the fact that people were just plain sick of the Republicans being in charge. It was a perfect storm, and they did well in taking advantage of it. Just sucks because the wrong guy still won, regardless.

McCain would have done a much better job, even though it would have likely only been one term. But he actually served his country and knew how to get things done, while all Obama ever knew how to do was make speeches. And now after eight years of HIM, we're still seeing the fallout. Race relations are worse than they've been in 60+ years because of him and his nonsense and how in the wake of his Presidency everything was suddenly all about Evil White Men.

I don't think anybody knew JUST how much worse off we'd all be, they just thought it would be "neat" to have a Black President. Well, I knew how it would turn out. Now we're Here. This is what happens when you pick the President like it's a big popularity contest. Sadly, nobody's learned anything. They want The Rock in 2024. Jesus F*cking Christ.

Have you seen how common it is for people to say they want all Republicans to drop dead and people either cheer or don't bat an eye? It's a cult. Full lockstep or they wish you dead.

I've seen it both ways. I think both sides are full of extremists now who will cast you out if you don't act in full lockstep with them. I should know, the lefties and the righties basically banned me from...life since my opinions don't fully align with either side.

Also, I don't trust any politicians. They're all snakes out for themselves. All of them. That's not a very popular opinion because people will always say "But what about (insert politician)!? He was great!" and I say "Nah" and then the fireworks really begin.

Oh, and on the topic, should the US split? No. That would be stupid and destructive for very obvious reasons. However, will it actually happen? Seeing how divided nearly everyone is on basically everything to the point where liking or disliking a movie is a punishable offense nowadays, I think it could happen, and it will mess everything up...and I do mean everything.

IDK

Usually I see things like conservatives are more willing to put up with inviting their liberal family member over for holiday events and whatnot while liberals have forever banned their Uncle Carl for all holidays, even Thanksgiving and Christmas for who he voted for in 2016.

I know a lot of the right are racists and bigots, but there are also a lot that choose to live and let live. I'm sure there are some lefties that also feel that way but the ones that speak loudest want everyone that disagrees with them to just drop dead or be thrown into woodchippers.

That's all propaganda for the masses, intended to rile them up in unity against a common enemy. The Democrat leaders themselves don't want a genocide, because dead Republicians can't produce labour for the state.

I'm seeing a lot less of this, honestly, especially since 2020. Actually, things have been on a general decline for years, and the political divide is getting larger. It's getting really bad, if you ask me.

I feel like both sides are becoming more radicalized, trying to sit firmly in their own echo chambers. I've been noticing many people becoming more extremist in their views even when they weren't like that originally. One of my few irl friends stopped talking to me recently because of a difference in opinion about Pokemon (yep, you read that right) that he basically made into a political issue, and went off on me for being a woman, and using my p*ssy pass. This argument was about the quality of the Sun/Moon versions, but he made it into a more personal, political thing. We tended to agree a lot politically....but he's become more of an extremist right winger recently, and now we've stopped talking since this happened in February.

And before anyone says anything, yes, this has happened to me with former leftist friends as well. Actually, a lot of my leftist friends dumped me long ago. But now the righties are doing the same. It sucks.

Yeah, I lost a friend I've known for years just cause I told her I wasn't gonna get the jab. It hurt cause I felt so easily discarded, like all those years meant nothing over a difference of opinion.

Oh then she tried to poison my ex against me, which didn't work cause while she got jabbed, she shares my views and agrees it never should have become a political issue and it's up to everyone and their choice.

Over time I came to terms that she wasn't worth keeping around even if she were to ever apologize cause even if I were to put something in my body just to keep a friend.... what's to say she won't end it again because I won't get the booster, or because I won't agree with the next big hashtag cause?

Most of my buddies I can tell are left leaning, they don't have to tell me, I see all the BLM, I stand with Ukraine and selfies with their vax cards and masks, so I keep our convos apolitical. Most people that know me know all I ever talk about is anime and wrestling anyway so I'm usually the last person anyone would think of calling up if they want a deep political discussion with. But I know better than to bring it up with any of them. Since I'm 'one of the good guys' as in I'm a cool and easy-going and easily-approachable person, I guess it's assumed I'm vaxxed and support all hashtag causes.

I mean I do stand for equality (within reason) and respect for all and whatnot, but a lot of these people that say that really mean they want to replace and remove. I'm sorry but dealing with injustice doesn't give you the right to say 'now it's our turn whiteboy' and dish out the same level of injustice.

I don't quite have the same problem as most of my very few friends are mostly apolitical, or tend to lean right, so I don't see the hashtag stuff on my Twitter/Facebook. Which is nice since I hate all of that. I tend to be mostly apolitical. I know and understand politics, mind you (because people seem to think apolitical = ignorant), I just...have a life, and don't want my life to revolve around whether I prefer the blue or the red. Unfortunately, I am seeing more and more people I know have their lives revolve around that. I don't want to discuss privilege, I just want to talk about Pokemon and TMNT without involving political debates.

Prove that we're racists or bigots. Prove it. And for the record, we only throw pedophiles into wood chippers, as it should be as ANYONE who abuses a kid has that coming to them. No one I know on "the right" has disowned any of their leftist, braindead liberal relatives. But more than a few of them are no longer welcome at their lib families homes or events. None of my friends burned down a wendy's over a dead pos criminal. None of my friends have been part of any riots in town screaming BLM while kicked and throwing stuff at cars & anyone they don't like... none of the black people I know have jumped any Asian folks... but all the liberals I know are more than willing to wish us death & talk a lot of trash or jump folks from behind or throw punches while no one is looking. If America was going to split, the Lunatic Left would lose hands down without a doubt.

I don't know how that one person turned Pokemon into something political.

Yeah, I don't seek out the hashtags, but when your friends have either a 'Make America Great Again' or a 'BLM and my pronouns are...' thing on their bio or profile pic, you kinda know which way they swing without needing to ask.

And I still think this mostly happened because social media was closer to what it's become now in 2016. That's why we didn't see all this virtue signally crap before, because Obama was still Myspace/early Facebook era. Obama never did 'mean tweet's cause Twitter wasn't the cancel culture cesspool in his day like it is now. Plus people weren't do obsessed back then with the president as they are currently which is why everyone was waiting on baited breath to either agree or disagree with whatever Trump would tweet next. Like I know the TDS went too far with the left, but the right glorifying him as if he was the next Messiah brought to this Earth handpicked by Jesus Christ Himself wasn't helping make them look sane either.

But yeah, nowadays I can appreciate people that can talk about anything other than politics. If you're so entrenched into them that it's become your whole personality, bye Felicia. I'd much rather have an in-depth discussion about barb wire matches and Lola Bunny with a true intellectual from Jersey than talk about the current political landscape.

Easy there buddy. I never speak with absolutes.

I'm just saying, just like the average leftist stereotype is someone with crazy colored hair, a millions pronouns and all these hashtags and BLM stickers and whatever all over their bodies, the average right stereotype is some old redneck, polishing his gun muttering something about 'I can't stand those gays'.

Obviously there's bad people on both sides, but I never deal with absolutes.

Most of my friends tend to be a higher and more even-keeled class because when it comes to dealing with me... what you get is What You Get, and I make that pretty clear upfront. I treat everyone the same, I make the same jokes and scandalous quips in front of everyone, I poke the same fun at everyone, and you either Get It or you don't. We can talk about anything, but you're not changing my mind, if my mind changes it'll be after I've put my own thought and time into the subject. I'll consider your opinion on my own time and inclination but your opinion will not "sway" me, especially not in that moment.

I don't generally have time for people, and I mostly stay to myself in real life. I don't have time to go out and hang on a whim, so I only spend time with people who genuinely want me around, and I them. I am not a "mean" person, I'm just a real wiseass and I have no time for bullsh*t, and I call Obvious Bullsh*t when I see it.

So people can either handle All That, or we're not friends. It's that simple.

I've mentioned before that one couple we hang out with once a month or so, we agree on almost nothing politically, but we still shoot the sh*t about politics and the news because it's Stuff To Talk About. Nobody's mind is ever changed, it's just conversation. Killing time, filling the silence. It shouldn't be a confrontation.

I've noticed people tend to like me even when we agree on very little because I'm obviously not a f*cking phony, and also, I am generally nice to people. Some people here may not believe it, because of the sh*t I say, but How I Talk and How I Treat People isn't the same thing. And so "That guy's just plain too nice" is something a lot of people say to describe me - especially in regard to how often I get f*cked over. But f*ck it, I am nice. I'm nice to people I have nothing in common with or nothing to gain from. Why not? It doesn't cost anything to just be nice to people. I have a big mouth and no filter but I don't just go around being a dick. That seems to win a lot of people over.

The whole "We can't be friends because of your politics", or treating someone like a pariah because they didn't get a shot... I don't get that kinda sh*t at all. Anybody who'd sh*tcan a friendship over stuff like that was never even a friend. Thankfully, I tend not to attract those types of people in the first place.

I mean, I guess if they can't handle the raging sexism and dead baby jokes they're not gonna be hanging out with me long enough to even find out about my political opinions. :lol: You pretty much get All Of Me right upfront, and if you can't handle it then we just don't talk.