Rittenhouse/ self defense
 

Odd to not see this thread already going on over here...

So, Rittenhouse... self defense or killer?

Why?

Not arguing he should not have been there or not and it was lawful for him to be armed... I know where I stand & why.

What say you dromers? Lol

Someone pointing a gun at you loses the guarantee of their still being alive. Similarly someone beating you with a skateboard, particularly someone who sees you with a gun.

Why not? Let's ask the others there why they were there that night. We already know the answer for Rittenhouse.

I really don't care about the verdict one way or another. My gut feeling is that legally Rittenhouse was in the right. But it seems like everybody has to be on one "team" or the other on this issue.

A lot of last year's problems could have been avoided if everybody stayed home.

You should care. Its not just his right to defend his own life on trial... its anyones'.

Only because its irrelevant why he was there... or that he shouldn't have been there or not. As in, he was there, now discuss his right (and ours) to self defense... to not be chased down by a homicidal lunatic that turned out to be a child raping pedophile or two relative abusing convicted felons (& the 4th guy that jump kicked Kyle, turned out to also be a career criminal...)...

Lets say that shooting rosenbaum was even remotely in question (its not, cuz evidence shows his hand was on Kyle's gun & trying to take someone's firearm is always justification for self defense...), this still leaves the fact that Kyle's next instinct was to disengage and run away from the angry mob towards police and therefore he cannot be seen as instigating anything else BUT self defense against his next three attackers.

Carrying a firearm is not "premeditated" anything as they prosecutor tried to claim... I carry daily. Sometimes more than one firearm. For my safety cuz I'm not going to outrun anyone trying to attack me...


Mostly I was curious to see who hates themselves so bad they'd defend four criminals that attacked a minor... who was armed. Lol

If the jury follows the laws of the state then they MUST acquit him. There is no legal case to be made otherwise. The only possible reason I can think of that could result in finding him guilty is the jurors would be worried about public backlash for finding him not guilty.

And that is currently happening.... at least two jurors have somehow made it known they are concerned about being attacked for voting not guilty... the judge should just throw out the case with prejudice, not guilty on all counts.

Pretty much! The judge should overturn the verdict if it were to come back not guilty because the jurors would have clearly not have reached their decision based on facts and the laws of that state.

“those poor blm/antifa thugs, they just wanted to peacefully protest for racial justice by pushing a flaming dumpster into a gas station until that terrorist got in the way and murdered them”… that’s how the leftist commies view this case.

this is about a communist mayor, a communist police dept, and a communist district attorney in a blue suburb in a red state, making an example out of someone that dared stand up against the communist political violence and intimidation.

the commies are hoping that Kyle gets locked up in prison as a lesson that no one will be allowed to fight back against communists trying to take over America.

that’s why they’re painting the real terrorists as the victims and vice versa.

will they riot again? probably. it’s looking like Kyle will be acquitted on all charges and rightfully so, but who knows, there is alot of jury intimidation going on. commies on twitter already calling for Kenosha to burn to the ground if he is acquitted. blm/antifa seriously gonna riot over a 17 year old that defended himself against 3 white guys.

I don't think it was even ever about the prosecution winning the case. It seems largely about scaring people away from self defense. Like, even if you have a gun pointed at you and you kill the guy... you might just come an asshair away from life in prison! So better to stay away from the peaceful protesters and let them do their thing, burn homes, businesses while you wait for the social workers to arrive, etc..

This is 100% correct. This case is more of an indictment on armed self defense than anything else! Hell, I have talked to people that actually believe that if he is found not guilty it will cause a tidal wave of vigilante justice and bring back the Wild West days. There are so many people completely out of touch with reality. It’s both amusing and scary at the same time!

I have been watching the trial daily to try to keep up. If he is guilty the 2nd means nothing...this should be appealed as far as nessessary.

I'm probably not informed enough about it, but I mean, if you're dumb enough to chase a guy with a gun, you kinda deserve what's coming to you.

From what I see from the Left, there's a apparently a pic of the kid hanging with 'The Proud Boys' doing hand symbols so everyone is acting like he's a white supremacist and if he goes free it's a win for white supremacy.

Similar to the Floyd case, the Left is acting like they're gonna raise literal hell if he gets off. That's not justice, that's forcing their hand to get the verdict you want through threats of violence.

It's pretty hysterical. A white supremacist based on him carrying a gun... and he only ended up shooting two white guys who attacked him, one of which a convicted pedophile?

yeah and I got the usual wackos posting stuff on FB like 'Rittenhouse is a murderer, if you don't agree with me, just unfriend me right now'.

In a normal country all this trash that threats violence, if KR is acquitted should be shut down. Since US right now is not a normal country, I am afraid they are given too much power for too little investment.

I personally want to see those ****wads trying to start **** only to immediately being **** down by cops.

who where apparently rioting for the 'lefts' cause to begin with.

the only people who seem to do violence in riots are the left, that's why I have a hard time to believe the capitol riots where all 'trump supporters'.

it fits their mo too well.

I never even heard of this case until some YT channel got shut down simply for stating the facts. from what I gather, it was another BLM riot and this kid was supposedly just trying to defend himself. although what he was doing with what looked like a high powered rifle might be another matter.

That happened long after the event. He is a minor celebrity in some circles...that's not his fault.

He shot 3 individuals, 2 of whom where killed. The first death (Rosenbaum) being a convicted child molester five times over is a non-point in the case because there was no way for Rittenhouse to know that.

The cast for the prosecution at this point is essentially "Did you see what he was wearing, he asked for this!". They need to proved that he provoked the initial attack and the only thing they can fall back on is the fact that the gun he had may have provoked Rosenbaum.

The jury being hung out of fear should call for a mistrial with prejudice. This happening right now means that he will never be able to get a fair trial...because Activists from the Left will harass and attack jurors.

No, no way for him to know that but perhaps a valid argument for the further neutralizing of him, as given his penchant for child molestation he could have been trying to rape Kyle, who was a child at the time. Like, is Kyle supposed to wait until he's actually being penetrated to be in the right?

Which one was the one who was screaming at him, calling him an N-word repeatedly (and again, this, but Kyle is the white supremacist? seems like he was the one who stamped out some white supremacy that night!)? The dead one, or the bicep vaporizer guy?

Rosenbaum (the first death of two) was the one screaming that...and threatening people and in general “fronting” and a king aggressive through the night.

The second death I think had a felony...but he had a skateboard and bashed Rittenhouse on the head and tried to take the rifle when he was shot (I think he had a hole in his hand in a direction proving that if people didn’t trust video).

Bicept guy was a domestic abuser with a felony who was concealed carrying and had his pistol aimed at Rittenhouses head when he was shot.

Its an AR15 which is not even remotely "high powered"... it uses .223 ammo which isn't much larger in size than a .22 which is for kids...more powder, but almost same size round. :tlol:

Rosenbaum was shot through the hand, because he was grabbing at the rifle too. His conviction 5x over of peddling small children should matter, even if Kyle couldn't know at the time, he was saying "shoot me, n****" and "fvck you" over and over... and Kyle stated Rosenbaum said he would kill Kyle at least twice before chasing him down.

All four people who attacked Kyle were/are convicted felons. Gaige, arm spaghetti, even stated under oath, that Kyle only shot him after Gaige pointed his (illegal) firearm at Kyle. Felons are prohibited people and cannot carry. Also, I believe it was Gaige who fired the first shot prior to Kyle needing to shoot Rosenbaum.


I'm guessing the folks who think Kyle murdered these criminals are just avoiding this thread. I'm curious to know how anyone can think this is anything but self defense...

And apparently it was ruled perfectly legal and OK for him to carry a rifle such as the one he had, where he did and when he did. So the whole "but he wasn't supposed to carry a gun there and especially ACROSS STATE LINES!!!" is completely null and void.

It's a very strange hill to die on for libtards and I think they're increasingly realizing this. On the one hand they feel strongly about it because they're terrified of guns and want to get them outta here so we can get one big step closer to socialist utopia... but on the other, this incident really doesn't fit any of the race-based narratives they've established for shootings, despite how hard they really, really try to make it fit. The general hope is probably that most people will just see an article with Kyle Rittenhouse's picture and a headline and go, "Ugh... damn white supremacist Trumpers!" and not bother to click or read any further. At this point.

Exactly. Not to mention, if Kyle had not been carrying, he'd likely have been raped/killed by Rosenbaum & his history would matter then... all this rioting that was allowed by democrats over a dead criminal.

What a f*cking hero that George Floyd was. Hope his supporters are proud of all the violence wrought in his wake after they made him a martyr.

Imagine, if Floyd was home reading his daughter a book instead of out passing fake bills and getting high on dope, NONE of this ever could have happened.

Maybe we should stop putting junkies up on pedestals and the rest of it might just take care of itself. Worth thinking about.

Anyway, yeah, if the legal system does its job then Rittenhouse should walk.

This is one half of the big reason all this should be over already. He established his motive to attack and kill everyone in Rittenhouse's group. The second half is that he went to enact that violence by trying to steal the gun.

It was another party, the guy (I think his name is Grouscroitz or something like that) that tried to distract Rittenhouse while Rosenbaum came from behind, that shot the first shot in the air that caused him to turn around.

It was not just he couldnt carry from felony, his concealed carry permit was expired meaning that even if he could carry he couldn't conceal carry...which he was.

In all seriousness, I don't think he would have sexually assaulted him. 'Just' normally assaulted or killed him. In all joking-ness, Kyle was too old.

On topic:

I also think it's funny how some of the squawking heads like those dumb hens on The View love to trot out the old "He (Rittenhouse) had no business even being there!" excuse.

I said the same thing about ol' Floyd, many times, BUT YA KNOWWWW the Libs don't like it when you flip that kinda sh*t on 'em. In THAT case, WHY Floyd was out passing fake bills and getting high instead of home with his kid was "nobody's business but his." But in THIS case, Kyle Rittenhouse "had no reason being there except to cause trouble."

It's very "interesting".

I find it amusing that people who were shot and were "fighting a good fight on a right side of history" were criminals: a pedophile, a murderer, and a just a thug. Its like perfect portrayal of Left audience. All this group was needed is a transqueer nerd, who was peeping on women in bathrooms and it would have been perfect.

No, because then they would have gone with the transphobic angle.

It's a fascinating trial to watch. Not to make light of it, but I may even go back and watch some other classic trials after this.

Either way, it's a sad situation on all sides. Rittenhouse, to me, seems like someone with good intentions but also doesn't seem to make the best decisions.
The men who died seem of poor character in comparison. Not to say they deserve to die - not at all.

But at the end of the day, I'm thinking he is innocent by way of self-defense. Don't attack people.

Look, I haven't been following this closely enough to make the call, so I'm not trying to play judge & jury, that's jus where I'm at right now.

I'm thinking regardless the reason, if you're stupid enough to run at someone telling threats and insults at someone with a gun that big (or any kind of gun to be honest) you must be tired of living. You get what you ****ing deserve.

There are a significant number of units out there nowadays that the general complaining public would call "assault rifles" when in fact many of them are actually handguns with stocks and elongated barrels.

That aside, this really looks like a case of self defense. And the courts are the last bastion of upholding these intellectual virtues given what is going on in society. The manipulative members of society, the haters, and quite frankly the criminals will argue it's an unfair system. But they are disingenuous liars and they are wrong.

And... here we go.

twitter is already going on about the usual white supremicist nonsense ....
and this nonsense of 'no justice, no peace' sure sounds like a threat for more violence.

here's the thing. if he deliberatly went out there looking for trouble, that's not self defense. if he was just walking around trying to get something during a riot, and got attacked that IS self defense.

the video could have been edited to make it look like one, or the other and no one is happy.

the first thing I saw, was him being attacked by a gang and having what looked like a hand gun go off after someone grabbed it. that clearly looked like self defense. but if he had what LOOKED like a high powered rifle that the attorney held in court, and was just walking around waiting for something to happen, that IMHO, opens it up to a whole other discussion.

This place is starting to look indistinguishable from Stormfront.

The more I look into it, it was self defense and never should have made it to court. Now we sit back and watch the kid sue the literal **** out of everyone.

It was clearly self-defense. Anyone who says otherwise given all of the information out there about this is either a hater & manipulator or an idiot of the highest order.

had to look up what the hell that was. is this voltron reborn? :)

ahh, twitter. never fail to disappoint. Why is black lives matter trending? he shot three white criminals IIRC.

Cause everything, no matter what, has to be about race.