Writers’ Strike
 

So a bunch of Hollywood TV and film writers are going on strike and because of that projects are being put on hold. Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert and Seth Meyers’ late-night shows are also shutting down.

…excellent.

Maybe now real writers will take their place and make movies good again.

And the writers who are going on strike obviously don’t understand basic economics. Our economy is a complete mess and studios like Disney are having to lay off employees in the thousands. Still they demand more money. I thought many of them were Marxists who cared more about the message than making money anyway?

Isn't it amazing how you can do that in a capitalistic free market? See - in this style of society you can live in capitalism and deploy certain socialistic strategies as needed, but in socialism you can't deploy anything but drones.

First time in 15 years, remember the commotion in 2007? People always go on about how the talk shows got better with the strike (Conan especially) and how it ruined shows like Heroes at the time.

Generation Z are obsessed with themselves and content creations on Tiktok and Youtube too so they won't be fussed about this, if they don't get the content, they make it. Same with millennials and fanfilms/webcomics

To a point I can understand. Maybe they can pay the celebrities a million less out of the multi-millions THEY get for some reason and pay the writers, who give them the material to become famous on, a little better.

On the other hand, if you're making above your local cost of living... really, calm down, there are so many people struggling who don't because their jobs are deemed even less worthy of a reasonably okay income than yours. Should the guy who wrote the jokes for a late night show really earn more than a teacher trying to help produce decent future adult citizens that might actually contribute more someday? They're even wading through all that Gen Z BS now in their classrooms every day and aren't even getting any added hazard pay for it.


Maybe if guild-free independent film makers, writers, etc take opportunity to grab some attention while the rest are on hiatus...if timing works out for them.

Questionable if anyone who is a part of that guild would even be allowed to work if they didn't agree and didn't care to protest. edit: Yup, they can't. So even any "good" writers you might approve of who are a part of the guild are stuck having to comply. Good time for independent non-union writers to take advantage, but not everyone will work with non-union people...

Though it's not like this changes anything for non-guild filmmakers. They were still doing their thing before the strike and will continue doing their thing during it. It's not like their output level is suddenly going to go up.

And this doesn't really affect things the way you might think. A studio can still, for example, pull a script out of the drawer that somebody pitched 2 years ago, and put that movie into production tomorrow. Also, there's nothing stopping a director from "rewriting" the script on the fly, as they're shooting. There is nothing that guarantees a screenwriter's script has to be adhered to, 100%, word for word, because that's ridiculous.

True, maybe one of those PD live action reboot scripts could get some attention, assuming they were actually written and only got shelved. :trazz:

No, though if it went on a while I meant more in the sense that it might give independents a little more of a shot with audiences if the block buster stuff was not dominating quite as much, IF it were to cause a little bit of a lull down the line. Unless, as you say, they just grab an old script they'd tossed aside for a while. 'Course, they could settle the matter by next week and then it doesn't matter a bit.

I just hope this doesn’t delay GB4 or the Knuckles tv show.

Knuckles will probably get delayed. It seemed to barely start. GB could because some rewrites and revisions often happen during production. That happens with everything.

American Horror Story production disrupted

https://twitter.com/kaitlinfontana/s...DSsbnP8PMtAAAA

GB4 is literally filming. It's fine.

But scene rewrites and line rewrites do happen during productions of everything. They happen for whatever reason. If they can’t make changes for the better of the movie I wouldn’t want them to be forced into keeping things as is.

It made wonder what exactly would be allowed. Is changing a few words considered writing. What if it’s something minor like changing the order of stuff?
Do you get into trouble for continuing to write or do you just look bad?

Like shut down the movie and say, "Hang on, we need the writers to do up a new draft!" No, that almost never happens, ever.

The only thing different in a strike is they can't suddenly write up an actual new draft of something. And again, directors can "rewrite" a movie on the fly. It happens all the time. The director will have a new idea on set, or an actor wants to say some lines differently or add a line, or the director doesn't like X Y or Z in the script, etc..

Probably a lot of writers are doing so. They just won't say that they are.

This is what I meant. Isn’t Jason and Gil part of the guild? That’s what I saw someone mention. If it’s just that new drafts can’t be made then maybe it’s fine but I really don’t know how far it goes and we don’t know how everyone feels about it.

During the last writer's strike, some actors did write bits of the script for their projects too. Daniel Craig and the director sorted out Quantium of Solace, and Robert Downey Junior and Jon Favreau edited Iron Man

WTF is GB4?

Is that the Ghostbusters Afterlife sequel?

Hopefully this will slow down the MCU, for me that has gone from fun to a downright chore.

Yes. They are already filming it.

Last time this happened? Lots of new Youtube projects launched. I anticipate this will be another godsend for non-hollywood media.

Their late night shows are not even funny anymore, at all. It’s all just DNC commie propaganda catering to the woke crowd. Nothing of value is lost. And those late night show hosts like Kimmel are not even tweeting their trashy celeb views anymore since the writers strike, proving once again theyre all just a bunch of fake paid Hollywood shills.

SAG-AFTRA National Board Unanimously Agrees To Send Authorization Vote To Members



https://www.sagaftra.org/sag-aftra-n...n-vote-members

Do we even need those people anymore? A minute on ChatGPT results in more entertaining material than any of the drivel produced these days.

Now the actors are going on strike… seemingly they can’t do some cons or appearances either, which puts that sort of show into interesting circumstances if people cancel.

Also if this is true, I’d be ****ing livid too and strike…

“The AI proposal that AMPTP proposed that background performers should be able to be scanned, get paid for one day’s pay, and their companies should own that scan permanently, their image, their likeness and should be able to use it for the rest of eternity on any project they want, with no consent and no compensation. So if you think that’s a groundbreaking proposal, I suggest you think again.” Duncan Crabtree-Ireland, SAG-AFTRA's chief negotiator said.

I mean... f***. It's a very different world now with all of that stuff. I can't get mad at them, really. It should be sorted out.

The recent developments with AI sure make you wonder how far away we are from Terminator‘s Judgement Day.

Pretty much the only people who are in favor of AI are the ones who benefit from it or have developed it themselves. I got into an argument with a person who saw absolutely nothing wrong with AI art, and as it turned out, if he was indeed telling truth, he helped developed those systems so he wouldn’t have lost his job to AI.

Sums my feelings about those idiots to a "T".

Stop this redneck fear-mongering.

Modern day AI is barely literate chat-bot, which works exclusively with provided queues. It is not an artificial intellect, since there is no much of intellect at all. While it can become one in the future, it is quite removed from it right now, at least for about decade or so. And even then...STOP THINKING ABOUT FUTURE IN TERMS OF HOLLYWOOD MOVIES, FOR ****'S SAKE!! .
Thank you.

Its probably the most retarded thing about modern generation, who can't make a fart without somehow bringing into it comparison to a movie, they've watched recently, much less we need people who are smarter than them (I hope) to do so.

I am in favor of AI, since I believe in incremental development of society via technology.

After multiple decades of amazing development, we now have quite a few setbacks, due to egomaniacs misappropriating technology to fellate their egos, as well, as red tape surrounding truly groundbreaking ideas, but in due time, those problems will be resolved. Egomaniacs will be confined to their corner and there are always places, which are interested in a progress, as opposed to bureaucratic blabbering about "ethics".

AI will certainly remove some people from jobs, but there will be new jobs, unless lunatics, will start burning computers and machines crying about "glorious past years", burning the world in a process.

You act as if something like this will start with Terminator robots coming right out of the box. There are steps to this. Even in the fake Hollywood movie, it took years before Skynet got to that point.

AI art might be one of those steps. Though none of us will probably be alive long enough to see it. Probably our great grandkids.

Funny thing - to my knowledge, NO fiction set in Terminator universe had ever elaborated how the **** Skynet got his cyborg army in a post-apocalyptic world, with infrastructure ruined.

Come to think of it for more than two minutes - in original canon, Skynet starts his nuclear attack almost immediately after gaining sentience. At this point he only has generic tanks and jet fighters and maybe some other non-humanoid machines at his disposal.

Nuclear attack destroys not only majority of human militaries (which is debatable, but whatever), but also powerlines and power plants, supply routes, factories and the like, essentially leaving Skynet with no power and materials to build ANYTHING.

How he is gonna rebuild all of it? No-one knows, since tanks and jet fighters are maybe good for killing remaining humans, but they can not build factories or repair power plants (not to mention, where Skynet will get energy, assuming nuclear attack shutdowns most of the power grid and destroys major power plants, meaning they need to rebuild for scratch, which means you need materials and supply routes to deliver them).

Effectively Skynet nuclear attack will hurt Skynet much more than humans, ironically since it will leave Skynet with no means to wage a further war, no energy or materials for it, while humanity will continue to exist, since they don't need energy in the same capacity as Skynet.

TL;DR
Nuclear war waged by Skynet was Cameron's allegory for the potential Hot War between USA and USSR (not to mention looks good in a movie) and it never made sense in universe. If anything, Skynet would have been much more effective, if he created a deadly virus or a neurotoxin. It would left infrastructure intact and it would spelt the doom for the most of the population.

I don't think Barkworm is that at all. He's on the other side. But maybe he's learned a thing or two over the years.

It's not a bad question. For all I know there's novels and comics about this stuff, but head canon... the criss-crossing nukes happen, bombing everyone and everything into oblivion. Then both sides are bought time. The humans to regroup in small pockets into TechCOM, and the machines in identifying like nuclear plants untouched by the devastation or hydro-electric dams and such. Then the crude assembly lines start rolling, like we saw in Salvation. Then by the time the humans are even organized enough to do anything at all, the machines are up and running in decent numbers. But yeesh... it's hard to imagine that happening, mostly on the human side.

In T1 Kyle says that no-one knew who had started a war, until somehow army of cyborgs appeared out of thin air. So humans couldn't start resistance, since they didn't even know who they were supposed to fight against at the time.

Likewise, Skynet might have bought a time, but then what? Who will create supply lines? Repair and built power plants and factories? All of those was supposed to be maintained by humans, if we go by an original T1/T2 canon. Even by T3/T4 canons. There were neither humanoid machines nor automated factories at the start of the war. At least none of it was mentioned in the movies themselves.

Even Skynet taking human into slavery is not working, since who actually going to hunt and round up humans? Who will build those labor camps and assembly lines in the first place? Tanks? Jet fighters?

I understand what Cameron was going for, but Terminator universe is not very well thought off.

I can headcanon all of this in 5 minutes, but it won't count for anything, sadly.

It'd basically have to be the T-1s and mini HKs from T3 doing all of the heavy lifting. Which is... hard to imagine for sure, in 2004 when it is set, and even harder during the original timeline when we're talking 1997. Though even if key military installations were bombed by the Russians or whatnot, there'd still be bunkers deep down intact with redundancy backup power. Like, we have this right now. And in the Terminator universe, T3 said SkyNET was tied into all of them. So it'd just really take one with the ability to produce stuff (like tanks, or basic machinery) and probably some T-1s and SkyNET coordinating to get some stuff done. Which wouldn't happen fast. But possible.

It's the humans into TechCOM stuff I have trouble wrapping my brain around. They all just got nuked and have no idea there's about to be a machine uprising... I guess they just cluster into radioactive survival clusters until the machines started showing up taking slaves.

Being called a redneck is definitely a first for me. I also enjoyed how Andrew's reply sounds like "fear-mongering redneck" is something you need a college degree for or something. :lol:

There is another problem - Skynet is supposedly connected to all other machines via either wireless connection, most likely satellites (IDK, if it fits into T1/T2 canon). But if he wants to take over other machines, then he'd need other means like wired networks or wi-fi (once again, not sure if it fits OG canon).

Now, I am not sure, if I know what I am talking about, but I think a lot of nuclear explosions will cause a lot of electromagnetic impulses, which will fry electronic equipment and cause disruption in connections. Once again, due to destruction of power grid, a lot of data centers and servers and internet connection relays will be out of power or destroyed, so once again Skynet hurts itself much more than humans. It ends up without supply lines, materials and connections, which in his case is probably most vital for him, since Skynet is effectively just a code in a computer and it can't go anywhere. And there is no-one to move him anywhere.

It makes T3 look dumb, BTW, because, nuclear strike on power grid and Internet grid will hurt Skynet, if it spread throughout the net. Its like he cuts parts of its own body. Though, maybe he is OK with it.

As for human resistance, there are also a lot of questions. So US and Russia (USSR) major population centers are destroyed, but its not like Skynet launched nukes at every single village. Then there are other countries with and without nukes. Unless Skynet literally threw every single nuclear bomb at every single major and minor city, town and village, half of humanity should be alright. T2 even says that Skynet initial attack had killed 3 billion people and if we go by beginning of the 90s it would be around 50% of population of the planet.

And what about countries with nukes? If Skynet attacks them they bomb US ground twice, making even more damage to Skynet himself in the process. If not they relatively left intact. Yes, a lot of ground and atmosphere will poisoned and, of course, there are problems with supply routes and food shortages, but nothing which humanity would not be able to overcome with the time.

Which means that most of human non-US and Russia military should be intact to counter Skynet attack...which would be conducted exactly how, since Skynet in US and unless he has bases in Europe, Asia and Africa, which is doubtful, how does he plan attack humanity across the oceans?

And how does Skynet rounds up humans throughout the world to work for it? Most likely scenario, Skynet works only in the US, while the rest of the world deals with the consequences of the nuclear war and maybe not even aware of the war between humans and machines in US.

Oh, and another problem - where Skynet take additional fuel for his machines when they run out of gas and electricity, if military facilities are destroyed.

Basically, as I said before Terminator universe logic doesn't really work, if you think about it.

There is a lot of room for very interesting sci-fi stories, but most people will just either skip to Future War or "one cyborg chases other across time".

I don’t see who the strike affects them going to coneventions but sure


This thread makes me giggle, funny how it can go from chatting about the “Writers Strike” and now the actors going on strike supposedly, to full on bonkers mode talking about AI which has nothing to do with anything :lol::lol::lol:

Not sure about exactly why but for whatever reason they're not allowed to do cons until the strike is over.

Yes, SAG union rules during strike prevent certain convention and personal appearances, among other things. Probably tying in with film promotions, so if you are a current actor, you might be screwed. Anyone who last appeared in a film in the 90s but still a member is probably okay.

Guaranteed, though, when this strike is over you're going to see a ton more of movies and TV shows disappearing from streamers.

Okay more appearance strike rules from SAG have emerged, basically you can make appearances, do cons, and do signings, but you can't promote a banned show/producer, can't talk about any character from the shows, and anything you provide to sign can't be from a slated show/film (but anything people bring you to sign is okay). Not sure about signing character names on pieces, that's still being clarified.

wtf is a "banned show"?

One that's been sanctioned by the union as it is produced by one of the studios that the strike is levelled against. So effectively anything from Universal, Sony, Paramount, Disney, Warner Bros and loads more.

Okay "banned" is probably the wrong word, but anyone in SAG AFTRA can't promote or say anything about any production from those studios, they are restricted from doing so by virtue of being in the union. Thus, well, "banned" from saying a word.

While they are screaming for higher pay, the actors who are on strike are gonna lose their jobs anyway because Hollywood can’t afford them.