The 2024 presidential election
 

Ouch. There goes Pence's presidential chances.

Any ideas who'll become the president this time? I'm pretty sure Biden essentially got the job because he wasn't Trump, he seems a bit of a hard sell on his own.

Before I was saying there was no chance of Trump winning, because it's not like he's won over any new independents since 2020... the opposite, if anything. What I'm hearing more and more anecdotally, though, and what gives a little bit of hope, is a lot of Biden voters who are saying they're not going to change their vote and vote for Trump, of course, but they're just not going to vote at all in 2024.

I'm sure part of it is Trump fanboy-ism but it seems every time he gets indicted or sent to court or whatever else, his followers are expecting an epic backfire and I keep hearing phrases like 'WTF LMAO ARE THEY PURPOSELY TRYING TO HAND HIM THE ELECTION?'

Not sure if there's a nugget of truth in there somewhere, but he has seem to be gaining some new people with the 'constantly being persecuted' angle the left just won't give up on.

That helps him cinch the nomination, not with voters. The "they're after me! I'm a victim!" isn't going to help him, even if it's true. Trump needs to get back to all the "I'm fighting for YOU!" stuff from 2016.

I am just here for the Trump/Maga Nuts going at it with the Desantis followers that's gonna be fun to watch

Are there even any Desantis fans here?

Its been a staple of politics for a long while for sections of the population to vote against someone rather then for someone, and I think that this is probably going to be one of the worst "not him" elections in history.

You have an ancient dementia patient as the incumbent. I don't know who the republicans could run but if its Trump again...I don't even know. Trump really needs to step aside and let someone else run on the republican side.

DeSantis had a chance at beating Trump, but then he had to post that AI photo of Trump hugging Fauci. If he had instead hired an artist to draw a political cartoon of Trump hugging Fauci, that’d be different, because AI is meant to look so realistic to the point that you can’t even tell that it’s fake, so Trump supporters or Trump’s critics would look at that photo and think that Trump really did that. That’s pretty deceptive and it made a lot of people ditch DeSantis in favor of Trump.

I was for the short time the vaccine restrictions got out of control. He stood firm against them and even offered work for any officer fired in Cali over not getting the worthless thing.

But after that though, he pretty much went off the rails.

I didn't mean here I just meant in general.

Vivek Ramaswamy is starting to look like a smart choice on the R side. DeSantis is a buffoon. Pence is not even remotely a contender. Their party really needs to move past trump and get some new energy. People should start looking into Vivek.

Trump is a con man, a crooked business man. America deserves better.

The comedy act should be more entertainment then it’s ever been in past elections. Assuming Trump gets the nomination and can run from prison if or when he finally goes to prison, the clowns will be in full force. Whoever wins the Presidentacy will be f**ked from the get go given how badly in shape the “Good Ole U..S..of..A” is lately

The clowns seem to have started early.

The funniest posts are the Canadians calling Trump racists while there pm literally has done black face multiple times. Oh how about we look at him trying to tell Islamic citizens that they're being brainwashed by far right Americans.

I'd probably fit that bill. He fights for key issues well, does so in a way that doesn't stir up a hornets nest culturally, is a good enough speaker, and gets results. Though I'm sure he'd become the media Devil soon enough if he nabbed the nomination but at least it wouldn't be this built in thing, vs. with Trump where if you even say his name at the wrong dinner table faces will turn red with overfilling anger.

Vivek is fine, too. I wouldn't be upset if he was the nominee, either.

I feel like Vivek is going to link up with Trump and become the first Indian vp

The fly landing on Pence’s head during the 2020 debates has become symbolic of his character.

Not happening.

America thought they were getting better by getting rid of Trump, but that sure backfired, badly. Look how bad things have gotten all over the world since he left office. Alot of politicians on both sides are con men/ crooked business men, that’s how their net worth goes way up and they become millionaires/billionaires as public servants. Even the current guy has more shady business dealings in other countries.

At least Trump did put America first. His business experience led to a great economy. He don’t need money laundering and scams like most lying backstabbing crooked politicians. He got his own money. Trump is upfront and delivers as promised vs the Biden admin virtue signaling and lying about things like “student loan forgiveness” and “reparations” to get more votes.

The scariest thing coming out of the Biden admin now is their new 2024 campaign slogan, “let’s finish the job”. America may not recover from another 4 years under the Biden admin.

I don't normally support mega monolithic businesses, but I'm with Disney over DeSantis about what happened in Florida. That's gonna be a shadow over his campaign surely.

You're with Disney on their pressuring DeSantis to ease up on signing a bill telling schools not to teach sexual orientation and gender identity to K-3rd graders? Or do you mean you think they should keep their special land/tax privileges in Florida that DeSantis is trying to yank away as a result?

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Think about what you just said. Just think about it

Now you're putting words into my mouth. That part, not really. Are schools really chomping at the bit to teach six year olds about alternative lifestyles or is it made up hysteria about what could happen but likely not a snowball in hell chance?

The bit about banning LGBT individuals from using their assigned gender bathrooms, definitely. Also the bits about "restricting reproductive health education in sixth through 12th grade; schools to teach that sex is determined by biology and reproductive function at birth; and that reproductive roles are binary, stable, and unchangeable.” among some other bits and pieces.

(for the record, we did all the reproduction sex stuff in seventh grade here, including watching education films about it I'm not sure they would show today. Oh and dissecting frogs and mice in the same year!)

Studies show that the more kids know earlier on in secondary school about sex education, all aspects, the lower the teen pregnancy rate tends to be. Although rates in the US have been coming down the last few years, they are still the highest in the developed world.

But I know you all think all trans people are mentally ill (reality, no they are not), so I'm bowing out of the discussion already as I'll get shouted down for even saying that here.

Mayhem, as a trans person yourself I can understand how you would dig in on these things. And I think that it is obvious and clear to anyone who at least pauses to think about it that not all trans people are mentally ill.

But the real problem is that the public forum has been littered with the worst of your people for years now rather than the best of them. People having sex shows in front of children and crackpots with zits and yellow teeth on-camera going on about nonsense like "bathroom use".

The simple fact is that the nonsense topics that trans people seem to obsess with simply are distasteful and not prescient to the majority of normal and good people living their lives. And when you combine that with the loud mouthing, gas lighting and other social behaviors from the left that lack integrity completely (i.e. they say "you have an American flag on your shirt and so you are a right-wing extremist"), you have an absolute dumpster fire.

Nobody cares that you are trans, Mayhem. Everyone cares about what you bring into society however over what has become, quite frankly a nonsense and exhausting topic. Nonsense and exhausting is a dangerous combination when people grow tired of it.

Absolutely.



You're talking about "reproductive/sex education." I had that beginning in the 5th grade. This is a penis, this is a vagina, this is how a baby is made. Also, girls, you're about to start getting periods and this is why. Etcetera. What DeSantis is talking about is teaching kids about "gender identity" (as in, that there's many) and that there's multiple sexual orientations and they're all equally valid. That stuff has absolutely no role in the classroom.

This is a bit similar to the people saying, "They want to stop teaching about slavery in class!" when talking about removing critical race theory from the classroom.

Well, there are two things the community does. The above where it seems that children are being exposed to things that they probably shouldnt which has led to some laws.

The other is the authoritan stance that is happening on social media. You *will* use language I demand. You *will* find me attractive. Then the push that we see in neighboring countries to be able to legally enforce them (arresting comedians for bad jokes, and the law proposed in Minnesota I think to make misgendering someone illegal).

I have no idea where IMJ gets the idea I'm trans. I'm not. I have a couple of trans acquaintances, couple of gay mates, most are completely straight, male or female. Hell, I have more Muslim friends than gay :lol: I'm not even left wing or liberal, at least not by the actual meaning of the words, not the random ******** Americans believe.

We will agree to disagree there, but probably agree that it shouldn't be introduced until secondary school at minimum together with the sex education stuff. Yeah, I don't think it should be taught to primary school kids. If the WHO are stating that it's all genuine, that's a serious world reputation statement.

(I believe that sort of thing should be educated about, in the same way as other useful life skills are not, such as how to save money and invest and what doing tax refunds mean, how to do first aid, what the system about work and buying a house, and several others)

As for the TikTok teachers, that's staff, educators, please show me school policy instead, after all, aren't the teachers meant to be following a curriculum determined by the place they work at? If the school isn't sanctioning it, then surely they shouldn't be teaching it either?

Politics is show biz for the ugly
- Rush Limbaugh, ca. 1990-onwards.
Even he didn't know just how right he was......

The idea anyone on here would support DeSantis is horrifying.
His don't say gay bills are doing actual harm, and have done damage to long-standing educators.
His stance on education has gotten countless books banned and is keeping kids from learning about things like slavery, stonewall, a history of police abuse, our history of white supremacy and how it inspired the Nazis, and other topics.
His stance on abortion has gotten women killed.
His stance on gun rights has gotten countless people killed, and none saved.
His stance on police has taken away rights and gotten people killed.
His stance on prison has runied countless lives.
His 'anti-woke' war is costing his state a severe amount of capital to deny reality as it exists.
His stance on immigration and worker pay is put together as a push to once again have a slave class.

The dude is straight evil.

Ya'll don't like Biden. Fine. But supporting this? I don't get it. We're here from a love of Ninja Turtles. I'd assume a certain appeal to a better tomorrow, doing right by others, and a vengeance for those who would hurt others based on prejudice. Hell, a certain love for the environment too. Instead, this? It's beyond dishearting. It's confusing, scary, and damning.

Good. Educators should be held accountable and leave the children alone. And it was never a "Don't Say Gay" bill, that was a term made up by the media, it was the "The Parental Rights in Education Act." Why on Earth would anyone bat an eyebrow at something that simply doesn't allow educators to discuss gender identity and sexual orientation with 3rd graders? Really, what's the reason?

From school libraries, books ranging from anything from how to best do anal sex with your gay partner or transgender "how to" stuff.

A complete lie. Florida, like all states, is, was and will continue to always teach about slavery. They're required to and there isn't even one example of them pulling back on what has always being taught. What they will NOT allow is Critical Race Theory, which has crept into curriculums in the past few years and teaches that all institutions must be torn down and rebuilt and that white people are inherently evil.

Total nonsense.

I'm not against abortion, but how? Let's see some examples.

Who are these mystery people, and how? Show your work. What, because he didn't pass some new crazy gun law? I haven't even seen one on the books or being proposed that would have stopped one shooting and, of course, we circle back to criminals just plain not following the law. Because they're criminals.

Now you're just rambling about nothing.

What, in that we should have them and lock criminals up in them? gtfoh...

His state is doing fine. Great, even. That's why everyone is moving there.

Ridiculous. What, that illegal immigrants should be given the offer to be sent off to the sanctuary cities in the states that claim to want them, or that maybe -- shocker! -- they should just try to seek normal, legal immigration routes to begin with?

Don't say gay bill
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/02/17/...gaAiS8EALw_wcB

Education. Most scary he's firing people for upholding mandates which was their job, of which they would have been fired if they didn't at the time. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...ecord-00099037

I mean ****ing hell listen to librarians on libraries at least: https://action.everylibrary.org/what...0aAioCEALw_wcB

To the abortion thing. https://www.wqcs.org/wqcs-news/2023-...aternal-deaths

If the countless school shootings, grocery store shootings, and other shootings happening especially in Florida since his open carry law went into effect IDK what to tell you. Read... ANYTHING on the topic?

Dude, cops kill. Cops kill black people a lot. They tend to be more openly racist and prone to murder in Flordia. This is historically true. WTF how do you not know this? Are you from America?

I don't think locking people on more trumped-up chargers and misdemeanors but can't afford bail are helping anyone. Also they're making it a literal hell. https://www.tampabay.com/news/florid...ater-uniforms/

Oy. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/06/econo...ons/index.html

And with your last comment, you're admitting to being a racist. Holy hell.
PAPERS PLEASE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPo7..._channel=MSNBC

Wrong. It wasn't ever called that, anywhere by the people who filed it. And there's nothing in that article that seems bad.

Good!

Listen to the school librarians? Why?

You're citing a local radio station article with no facts? Great.

Have you? Doesn't sound like it. We've had open carry here in WA since forever and this is hardly Beruit. Criminals will do whatever they want to do, they don't care what new leftist laws you want to pass.

Cops kill a lot of criminals. And they kill WAY more white people than black people. It isn't even remotely close.

There might be some. But was racism even brought up in any of these cop trials in any one of a number of examples you could throw out there? It never is because they know there's nothing there.

I do. Do the crime, do the time. The stories about criminals with 30 felonies continually being let back out onto the streets until it ends in murders is pretty prevalent in states like WA and NY and CA and OR, all super "relaxed" in that way.

I'm sorry you don't know what words mean. gtfoh.

Wednesday's Serial, if you just want to argue and debate have at it, but this forum is full of right-wingers. Do you also enjoy banging your head against brick walls?

Ah yes, the "right wing." Which was the left even 10 years ago. The center, at worst.

There we will agree to disagree. Right wing ten years ago, even more right wing approaching fascism today, especially since Trump. That’s an outside view perspective based on actual political leanings on an actual political scale. Not the self identifying “scale” that America itself seems to use. Like looking at an 8 and saying it’s an infinity symbol.

As for the left, well it isn’t the left, it’s left of the Republicans, but still very right wing, except for some of the extreme woke factions who are centre ish instead. There’s no real socialism in the US, the TRUE left wing of politics. Except for all the people decrying socialism but still happy to have their pills and drugs paid for by Medicare…

Where can one find this book?

Asking for a friend...

Everything is on Amazon, dude. :lol:

DeSantis is everything people were/are scared Trump would be, and an unlikable, spineless idiot to boot. Having said that, he's still far more preferable than Biden or anyone else on the left.

Are you really claiming that the right and the left have both gone more right in the past decade? I mean...just on a bare bones subject...how many people on 'the left' (democrats) would have been pro gay marriage, pro-porn in middle school, or pro-pronouns a decade ago?

Yeah, I also would prefer Trump instead of DeSantis, since DeSantis seems kinda like a back-stabber and could very well be a uniparty shill. Still though, anything would be better than what we have now. The bar has been set pretty low, Bidenomics has failed us.

Why is he a spineless idiot?

Why is he a back-stabber? Just because Trump is upset DeSantis wasn't "loyal" in his going for the republican nomination, that he should just voluntarily sit out the race and let Trump have it uncontested because Trump claims to have helped him out in becoming governor? Because that's a silly standard.