Dragon Ball Daima
 

So like... Watchmen Babies?

Stupidest thing ever. They got two entire sagas to animate, four if they want to retell the movies.

I am both confused and intrigued at the same time

I am a diehard Dragonball fan, but they have really need to lay this franchise to rest if they are only going to crap on it's legacy. Dragonball Super was god awful and was an abomination the same way that Rise of the Ninja Turtles was. I have absolutely no faith in this new Dragonball series being any good. Akira used to be a creative genius, but he has most certainly lost his touch.

It's just GT again only everyone's a kid.

Pretty much yeah

While it might still be good, it's weird how most new Dragon Ball stuff just feels like glorified fanfiction or re-treads of older things. Even with Toriyama involved. I enjoyed most of Super but power scaling/transformations pretty much mean nothing anymore.

It's kind of a shame since Dragonball originally ended in 1995 and its basically turned into one of those never ending anime franchises aimed to sell toys and merch.

That's literally everything now, man. Turtles, too. Sucks, eh? Sometimes they try new things, but it gets rejected, thus the cycle continues.

The thing is as said, Dragon Ball wasn't supposed to be like that. It wasn't like say TMNT, Pokemon, or The Simpsons where it could just go on or be rebooted forever, it had an ending.

Sure there's the videogames that always had alternate universe stories, but they weren't canon and it was just dumb stuff for videogames so it didn't matter. But continuing the franchise with "canon" series is a different story. It's weird since most shonen anime are written with an "ending" in mind and aren't intended to go on forever.

I assume the only way Dragon Ball will end again is when Arika Toriyama quits/retires/dies or something and Toei would be reluctant to continue without him again. Goku's VA is like 86 in Japan, so I also don't know how much longer they're willing to go if she gets too old/sick and can't do the voice anymore.

So long as there is money to be made, & toy companies have a say in things, they'll all go on forever. You just have to find the key to immortality so you don't miss any of it!

Hmmm….

Wonder if the chibi concept will last through the whole show or get abandoned/revamped after the first arc or two.

I believe this is just a 20 or so episode web anime, it's not considered a continuation of Super or the next big arc. According to Dragon Ball fans it even takes place before Beerus comes to Earth, so it's actually a prequel to everything from Super. Meaning this arc takes place shortly after they defeat Kid Buu at the end of DBZ and before Beerus.

Oh, so is this gonna revert everybody back to adults except the Pilaf gang, who stay kids for the whole DBS series? I don’t even remember if the full backstory on how Team Pilaf went young again and why none of the heroes seem to take issue with them hanging around Capsule Corp all the time.

If this takes place between the defeat of Boo and the arrival of Beerus, why aren't the Kaioshin and Kibito fused?

The back story of how the Pilaf gang went young is like the very first episode of GT

Looks like GT all over again.

No... they were old and stayed old in GT.

They wished for youth in Super but the Dragon took it too literal and made them into kids.

No, in GT the gang was really old and wanted Goku small or “a kid” again. In Super, they just kinda show up as kids in episode 4 and nobody from the Dragon team thinks its weird.

They show how they turn into kids in the Beerus movie. For some reason the episode adaptions in Super left that out.

Nobody really recognizes them, though sometimes I wonder if Bulma does and just plays along.

The stranger part is none of the OG Dragon Crew recognize Future Mai. Though it's been a while since I seen the anime, I know that in the manga, Future Mai got to meet everyone.

Oh ye my bad lol. It’s been too long since I’ve watched GT, clearly lol, and little while since watched the beginnings of Super

Sounds like they wished for a Kof-Kol-style "Forgetting Spell" along with their youth.

I believe it does in the anime as well

That is a funny looking sentence.

Forgive me I was….drunk :lol::lol:

I’m kidding ofc, one can’t drink while at work, but ye wow wtf was I doing lol

New Trailer

My only complaint is that it looks like it's gonna be Goku Time again. Everyone turns into kids, but Goku seems to be the only one that goes on this brand new adventure. We do see some scenes of Vegeta and Piccolo as kids fighting, but they don't seem to be in the same area Goku is when he ventures in this whole new world.

Since it's kid Goku, I don't mind it mostly focusing on him, Supreme Kai and the new demon characters. Piccolo and Vegeta are still being marketed and getting toys, so they're probably going to be involved. The rest of the main cast will probably only be shown turned to kids at the start and that's it. Shame Krillin isn't at least going with them for the Dragonball vibes.

This looks like it could be a lot of fun, and strangely enough the Demon Realm was never really explored in any of Toriyama's canon stuff, just hints of it here and there. To this day I have no idea what the Demon Realm even is, since it's clearly not the afterlife or Hell that we know of, and the monsters/demons we've seen throughout the series seem to come from there.

Alright so the first episode is out and it's pretty good, though there are some continuity problems.

It takes place after Majin Boo was defeated but before Beerus showed up, as evidenced by Trunks explicitly stating he's nine. Here's the weird part, it keeps with the world building of Super by stating the main reality is Universe 7 and even pays off set-up in the Moro arc by clarifying where the Namekians came from, but the problem is that it shows the Kaioshin and Kibito already having undone their fusion and having done so with the help of Boo. While there is some debate over whether it's the movie, manga or TV version of Battle of Gods that "really counts", all three of them clearly show them still being fused at that point and the manga and TV show both agree that it was undone by a Dragon Ball wish.

People already speculated Shin and Kibito will probably accidentally fuse again in the last episode, to keep in continuity with Super. Remember in Battle of Gods we see Kibito Kai and Elder Kai watching the Beerus/Goku fight from Otherworld. I don't recall if we see him in the anime version but I'm pretty sure we do. I'm sure the staff know Supreme Kai and Kibito are fused again in Beerus introduction, so they'll probably have them accidentally fuse again by the last episode.

As for why Goku will ask them the same question twice why they de-fused a second time, it can be handwaved as "Goku is stupid" or "Goku forgot." In Super they said they wished Porunga to de-fuse them, so they probably can't use Buu a second time or Buu refuses.

Daima is only in Japanese Sub right now. Dragonball anything is one of the few Anime's I do English Dub for. So I am gonna wait for that.

AI might soon replace the English Dub actors though. They’re already experimenting on that with Goku’s Japanese VA.

After Goku's Japanese VA dies they'll probably do a full reboot of the franchise from the beginning of Dragon Ball and re-animate the entire manga from scratch with no filler and doing a 1:1 adaption like modern anime. They're most likely waiting until she passes away and do a proper reboot from DB to the end of DBZ.

It's obvious now that Dragon Ball is never going to be allowed to "end" again like it did after GT in 1997. There's always going to be something new even after Toriyama is gone. They still have some Super manga arcs to adapt and after that we'll probably get a full reboot of everything from the beginning. They might as well recast the entire Japanese VA, most of them have already been replaced like Japanese Bulma, Tien, Mr. Satan, etc. who all died over the years in Japan.

I've often assumed a new adaptation would happen eventually, just not that it would be dependant on Nozawa's death.

Dragon Ball and and Dragon Ball Z are collectively 444 episodes long. The episode to volume ratio in adaptations after the manga has ended tends to be 2-3, which would mean the total episode count of a new adaptation would be between 84 and 126, which I'm gonna bet on being on the lower end seeing how much of the series is just fighting, training to fight, bringing dead people to life in a montage and quick gags. So about 90 episodes or so, maybe 110 at most, so a reduction to about 25% of what the old one had.

I assume the reason they'd wait until she passes, is because whoever her successor will be will probably be cast relatively young (I don't imagine older than 30ish), so they can keep the new Goku VA around for the next 50 or so years. Doing a full remake of the series makes sense when you have a new set of VA's to keep around for another couple of decades.

And yeah they'll do it like modern anime with roughly 26 episode seasons, adapt the manga as 1:1 as they can so they can adapt everything in a timely manner. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Daima is a "test" for a Dragon ball remake, they'll use this same type of animation and Kid Goku and it'll launch a reboot a few years from now.

Nothing wrong with watching the real show. Why wait for the knockoff dub?

I watched the end of Super while the dub was still dragging its feet. They fell so behind they were forced release the Broly movie that takes place after Super and the dub hasn't even gotten there yet at the time. LMAO.

DBZ is my favorite cartoon of all time, but I have very low expectations for anything Dragonball related at this time. In my opinion Dragonball Super is an abomination filled with terrible story writing and an over abundance of transformations. I love the Dragonball franchise, but I like to pretend that Super doesn't exist at all. I predict that the writing in this new iteration will be just as bad as the writing in Super. I can't support a show filled with nothing but bad ideas that crap all over the franchise's legacy. I just now realized that I basically typed the same thing a year ago.

cause I prefer the English Dub. It's what I grew up with when I watched DBZ on TV back in the day.

Also I don't care for the "Granny Goku" voice that the sub uses.

Dragonball anything and Cowboy Bebop are the only two anime's I go English for

Nothing implies that problem so far. The Super anime's problems mostly stem from from being a rushed production based on notes rather than a complete synopsis, which is why the manga version is generally better with fewer cooks in the kitchen and more time to cook so to speak (even if the Zamasu conclusion doesn't make much sense there either).

Daima has been production for a few years and will really only be about 20 episodes. The first episode, as I said is pretty good, with the biggest problem with somehow attempting to keep continuity with Super but screwing up one major thing there. The episode makes it very clear who the villains are, what they are doing, why they are doing it and what they hope to achieve. The story itself is very well explained at this point.

The only somewhat worrying thing that is completely new is the the revelation that the Dragon Balls can be summoned to one place without physically collecting them one by one, and that they can reactiviated prematurely on command. Though I think this might be explained later on and why it hasn't been done before or since.

Changing how the dragonballs work is a huge sin in my eyes. Just like Frieza being told by Beerus to blow up planet Vegeta. It's just a dumb idea that just wasn't necessary. Not only that, but it devalues already established continuity. I hate how much was retconned.