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TigerClaw 12-20-2023 04:18 PM
Warner Bros Discover in talks to merge with Paramount Global
 
Take this with a grain of salt, But there's a report saying that Warner Bros Discovery is in talks to merge with Paramount Global.
https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/wa...ks-1235847958/

You know what that means, Warner Bros would gain access to the TMNT rights, So maybe a live action Batman vs TMNT movie?

Andrew NDB 12-20-2023 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1981556)
So maybe a live action Batman vs TMNT movie?
There would be 0 chance of that, even if this happens.

CyberCubed 12-20-2023 04:28 PM
That means Star Trek would be owned by DC/Warner Brothers, which is also weird. Everything from Nick too including TMNT.

Andrew NDB 12-20-2023 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1981558)
That means Star Trek would be owned by DC/Warner Brothers, which is also weird.
If that increases in any way the odds that Kurtzman and his cronies will get fired, I'm good with it.

CyberCubed 12-20-2023 04:38 PM
Hm, I also just realized this would mean DC would be able to make their own TMNT comics? I mean, who knows if the IDW run will go on that much longer even if this doesn't happen, but I just thought of that.

We already had the Batman crossovers and the DVD movie so it's possible.

Drose18 12-20-2023 04:50 PM
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neatoman 12-20-2023 05:02 PM
I might as well quote myself here in regards to addressing this scenario previously:
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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1974539)
I really don't like the idea of either Marvel or DC owning it. Not only would most of TMNT's existing lore be pushed aside in favor of doing things like replacing the Utroms with the High Evolutionary or Project Cadmus as the origin of the Turtles, there is a very high risk that the book simply won't sell enough to justify a real ongoing, instead just relegating the characters to get a five issue mini every fifth year just to maintain the trademark. Any other company would be more likely to make an honest attempt to keep the franchise it's own thing and try to release more than the occasional mini, though we still need to keep in mind that just about any company is just a husk who would only treat the TMNT as well as any actual human who is put in charge of it.
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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1968046)
I... Really don't think TMNT under Marvel (or DC for that matter) would be that great. Maybe in the sense that you'd get a few stronger TMNT stories and really good omnibus collections, but the drawbacks would be obvious. First off, the odds are that there would not be much of a push to keep the series going after a while, I'm not really seeing a scenario in which TMNT keeps being published for 100+ issues in favor of another X-Men spin-off. The worst case scenario in terms of TMNT's continued publishing is that Marvel would just publish a five issue mini every tenth year to keep the trademark. Secondly, it is very likely Marvel would attempt to "streamline" TMNT's lore to the point where it becomes little more than background noise to Marvel's general lore. So for example, The Foot becomes a splinter faction of the Hand and is just absorbed back into it, the Triceratons become the creations of the High Evolutionary, D'Hoonib becomes a Kree world, the ooze was created from the Super-Soldier formula, etc, etc, etc. And finally, they could just join the ranks of a long line of Marvel characters who are treated like disposable jokes if the concept is even slightly silly.
In regards to how this would impact TMNT, I am not thrilled about the idea.

These types of mergers are always something to be dreaded otherwise. Disney merging with FOX resulted in most of FOX's planned projects getting canned and the studio becoming little more than a holding company for their old IPs and filler content for Hulu. WB itself merging with Discover resulted in Zaslav making a bunch of tax write-offs and the idea that a significant portion of Paramount productions getting the same fate is scary.

Like five years ago there were six large movie studios in charge of Hollywood, now there are only five and this implies a near future where there are only four. You'd figure the smaller ones would take some market share grow to replace FOX (and possibly now Paramount) but that just doesn't seem to be the case. At this point it looks more and more likely that Sony will merge with Universal, at which point there would be only three. Be afraid, be very afraid.

LeotheLateBloomer 12-20-2023 06:31 PM
I don't know if this is really going to happen or not but it would be a strange world where Bugs and Spongebob are under the same roof.

If this does go through then all I can say is hopefully WB gives us a better TMNT movies than Paramount.

CyberCubed 12-20-2023 06:55 PM
Cartoon Network and Nickleodeon would be owned by the same company. That means all the shows would be under one roof.

TMNT would, for all intents and purposes, become a DC property. I doubt they'd integrate TMNT into the DC universe but they would own it. Same for Avatar: The Last Airbender.

TigerClaw 12-20-2023 07:25 PM
Some people fear that Zaslav would destroy Paramount if the merger happens.

Drose18 12-20-2023 07:53 PM
how many DC characters are individually more popular than TMNT? Surely not more than 20-30 and that’s being very generous

LeotheLateBloomer 12-20-2023 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1981581)
Cartoon Network and Nickleodeon would be owned by the same company. That means all the shows would be under one roof.
I'd imagine WB would see Spongebob and Avatar as cashcows. They'd do multiple different TV spin-offs and direct-to-dvd movies, the same way they do Scooby-Doo and Tom and Jerry.

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I doubt they'd integrate TMNT into the DC universe but they would own it.
I don't know if I'd want them be a part of DC but I wouldn't mind them taking a crack at TMNT comics or movies if they can keep them separate.

Sumac 12-20-2023 09:00 PM
At this point I lost track of who WB has merged / divided with.
But the whole thing is a shitshow.

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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1981570)
In reagards to how this would impact TMNT, I am not thrilled about the idea.
Giving how much TMNT was massacred by Paramount / Viacom, I'd say, who cares. They can't do worse.
Well, I mean, they can, but would it make a difference at this point?

CyberCubed 12-20-2023 09:42 PM
Yeah I was going to say, TMNT can't get much lower than it is right now. This will be after the Mutant Mayhem sequel anyway, so if this happens we wouldn't see anything from it for years.

IDW TMNT might be over on its own terms by then too rather than being canceled away from them.

neatoman 12-20-2023 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Sumac (Post 1981599)

Giving how much TMNT was massacred by Paramount / Viacom, I'd say, who cares. They can't do worse.
Well, I mean, they can, but would it make a difference at this point?
The problem, as I pointed out previously, is that this sort of merger can easily result in several IPs getting the shaft. I'm not really seeing the TMNT being anything other DC Comics C-listers if this happens, if DC even bothers to keep publishing TMNT that is.

Andrew NDB 12-20-2023 09:58 PM
TMNT on the Teen Titans. The obvious Bat-family crossovers. TMNT appearing in the nascent Nu-DCEU. You never know.

sdp 12-21-2023 11:39 AM
TMNT would never be a part of the DC Universe, we might see more crossovers but that's it. It's far more valuable to keep the IPs separate than join them which is also good creatively.

The merger could definitely happen legality wise, it wouldn't be seen as a monopoly because we have other bigger entities it's competing against. I don't think it's going to happen because it doesn't make much sense. There's never a "merger", there's always one company that is in control. WB Discovery has the largest market cap and worth far more but it also has far more debt than Paramount. I don't see how acquiring more debt could help WB Discovery at all. That merger would not be able to handle it's debt WB Discovery is doomed to get bought out by a larger company that can afford it. Any of the FAANG companies are going to own it in the next 10 years. Quote me on this.

ZariusTwo 12-21-2023 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1981608)
TMNT on the Teen Titans
I could see maybe the Fred Wolf cast reprising their roles for a cameo in Teen Titans Go.

Sumac 12-21-2023 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1981605)
The problem, as I pointed out previously, is that this sort of merger can easily result in several IPs getting the shaft. I'm not really seeing the TMNT being anything other DC Comics C-listers if this happens, if DC even bothers to keep publishing TMNT that is.
While I don't think TMNT are equal to Batman or Superman in terms of influence and mindshare, I feel like they are very known in their own right.

They definitely won't be abandoned, just constantly milked with reboot after reboot.

CyberCubed 12-21-2023 04:11 PM
I keep forgetting Paramount owns all of Nickelodeon. That's why I didn't even realize TMNT would be owned by DC, or their other shows like Sponebob or Avatar, etc. Kinda crazy to think about all these different cartoon franchises all owned under the same roof, since Time Warner also has all of Bugs Bunny, Scooby Doo, Flintstones and everything on Cartoon Network as well.

TigerClaw 12-21-2023 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1981676)
I keep forgetting Paramount owns all of Nickelodeon. That's why I didn't even realize TMNT would be owned by DC, or their other shows like Sponebob or Avatar, etc. Kinda crazy to think about all these different cartoon franchises all owned under the same roof, since Time Warner also has all of Bugs Bunny, Scooby Doo, Flintstones and everything on Cartoon Network as well.
Warner Bros owns the TMNT movies from the 90s via New Line Cinema.

LeotheLateBloomer 12-21-2023 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1981680)
Warner Bros owns the TMNT movies from the 90s via New Line Cinema.
Very true, maybe we'll get a movie where they use suits and practical effects again. Though I can only see this if they keep it separate from the new DCU. Hell, I'd even take a TMNT 2007 sequel...unlikely but one can dream. I liked the voice cast for the movie. Enjoyed Nolan North as Raphael.

neatoman 12-21-2023 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by sdp (Post 1981652)
TMNT would never be a part of the DC Universe, we might see more crossovers but that's it. It's far more valuable to keep the IPs separate than join them which is also good creatively.
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Originally Posted by Sumac (Post 1981673)
While I don't think TMNT are equal to Batman or Superman in terms of influence and mindshare, I feel like they are very known in their own right.

They definitely won't be abandoned, just constantly milked with reboot after reboot.
Well I'm not really trying to claim this would result in the immediate abandonment of the franchise, just that keeping these characters in the public consciousness would be less of a priority and what might be considered "successful enough" under Paramount, might be considered table scraps under the theoretical behemoth that is Warner-Paramount.

Let's imagine a timeline like this:
  1. Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon are merged and the comic rights to Nickelodeon IPs go to DC for experimentation purposes.
  2. The pitches of new IPs at Nickelodeon are mostly scrapped but old ones get to continue.
  3. DC starts an ongoing with the TMNT and put out (what will most likely be rather nice) reprints.
  4. There might be a new TMNT cartoon that has nothing to do with DC, either because one was already in development or because they aren't yet ready to connect TMNT to DC yet.
  5. The TMNT comics and cartoon aren't doing as well as Batman or whatever Ben 10 show is going on at the same time.
  6. Thus, CN and DC start to rely on crossovers to keep the show afloat until it stops at 39-78 episodes.
  7. Because of this, DC only starts publishing TMNT comics once every couple of years and the characters are more likely to be guest stars in DC cartoons.

Let's remember here, the best selling TMNT comic of all time (until Last Ronin, I'm not sure) is the Batman crossover.

TigerClaw 12-21-2023 05:40 PM
One of the issues people are afraid of about this merger, Is that Zaslav might cancel projects left and right, Projects being done at Paramount as a tax write off.

This could affect IPs like TMNT, and any of the IPs owned by Paramount.

Andrew NDB 12-21-2023 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1981685)
One of the issues people are afraid of about this merger, Is that Zaslav might cancel projects left and right, Projects being done at Paramount as a tax write off.

This could affect IPs like TMNT, and any of the IPs owned by Paramount.
A pretty stupid worry. If Zaslav sells WB to Paramount then his work is done. I doubt he'd even have a role at the company when and if the smoke settles. He was brought into WB to make them profitable again, with a lot of rumors -- that now appear to be true, in light of this -- that the ultimate goal being selling WB to another company. If Paramount Global (formerly Viacom) buys, then mission accomplished.

TigerClaw 12-21-2023 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1981686)
A pretty stupid worry. If Zaslav sells WB to Paramount then his work is done.
They are concern some of those people will lose there jobs because of it.

member_removed 12-21-2023 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1981685)
One of the issues people are afraid of about this merger, Is that Zaslav might cancel projects left and right, Projects being done at Paramount as a tax write off.

This could affect IPs like TMNT, and any of the IPs owned by Paramount.
Star Trek Discovery Season 5 and Starfleet Academy???

Then, "Make it so!

Andrew NDB 12-21-2023 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1981687)
They are concern some of those people will lose there jobs because of it.
What people? People can't be fired from movies and TV shows already filmed... they've already gotten paid. But yeah, Star Trek? Fire the whole lot of them. Let Terry Matalas do whatever he wants and bring in some of the DS9 and TNG writers who understand sci-fi. We don't know what WB would do with TMNT and Star Trek beyond "something different," which already sounds better to me.

Sumac 12-21-2023 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1981684)
Well I'm not really trying to claim this would result in the immediate abandonment of the franchise, just that keeping these characters in the public consciousness would be less of a priority and what might be considered "successful enough" under Paramount, might be considered table scraps under the theoretical behemoth that is Warner-Paramount.
Once again, TMNT is far from being "low key unknown cult classic" property.
I'd say Avatar (the one with funny blue arrows) is much less relevant in a modern day and age, yet, they are making movies based on the franchise.

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1981685)
One of the issues people are afraid of about this merger, Is that Zaslav might cancel projects left and right, Projects being done at Paramount as a tax write off.
In case of TMNT it might be a blessing.

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1981687)
They are concern some of those people will lose there jobs because of it.
People always lose jobs.
As long as they are not living in a totalitarian state or on plan to live on a welfare, they will be able to find at least some new jobs.

CyberCubed 12-22-2023 05:44 AM
For Star Trek if this happens it won't really affect anything.

- Discovery is already ending next year with its final season

- Picard is already over

- Prodigy has already been canceled and Netflix is just going to air the already completed Season 2

- Lower Decks Season 5 has been rumored to be its final season for awhile. Granted this could go either way

- Strange New Worlds Season 3 is filming, this will hopefully go on at least 5 seasons.

- The Section 31 movie with Georgiou is already done I assume and is a one-off movie anyway which will air next year.


As far as we know the only show planned is a Starfleet Academy series, so even if Paramount is bought nothing will really change unless the Academy series falls through.

LeotheLateBloomer 12-22-2023 09:26 AM
I can see Warner Bros wanting to do more with Star Trek and they'll do more with Garfield than Paramount/Viacom currently is. The big one is if they can do TMNT justice.

NinjaPug 12-22-2023 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1981686)
A pretty stupid worry. If Zaslav sells WB to Paramount then his work is done. I doubt he'd even have a role at the company when and if the smoke settles. He was brought into WB to make them profitable again, with a lot of rumors -- that now appear to be true, in light of this -- that the ultimate goal being selling WB to another company. If Paramount Global (formerly Viacom) buys, then mission accomplished.
This is the opposite. WBD is the buyer and Paramount is the seller.

Andrew NDB 12-22-2023 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NinjaPug (Post 1981777)
This is the opposite. WBD is the buyer and Paramount is the seller.
Really? Are we sure about this?

Cowabung-Gal 12-22-2023 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer (Post 1981752)
The big one is if they can do TMNT justice.
Yeah I wouldn’t bet on it.

NinjaPug 12-22-2023 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1981779)
Really? Are we sure about this?
Yes. Paramount is on the block and these stories (first Skydance and now WB) are being floated by Redstone to drive up the price. Investors don’t seem to like this WB/Paramount combo so I’m skeptical anything comes of it. I think Comcast will be the entity that absorbs either WB or Paramount.

Andrew NDB 12-22-2023 03:08 PM
It's fairly academic. Will TMNT being owned by one soulless megacorporation be significantly better/different than when it was owned by the last soulless megacorporation? Who knows. Maybe, but doubtful.

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Originally Posted by NinjaPug (Post 1981781)
Yes. Paramount is on the block and these stories (first Skydance and now WB) are being floated by Redstone to drive up the price. Investors don’t seem to like this WB/Paramount combo so I’m skeptical anything comes of it. I think Comcast will be the entity that absorbs either WB or Paramount.
Interesting. I would've thought WB is in pretty dire straits as it stands vs. in a place to be considering buying up other megacorps.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 12-23-2023 11:00 AM
North Korea
 
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Originally Posted by Sumac (Post 1981729)
As long as they are not living in a totalitarian state.
Actually, getting a job is very easy in North Korea.
1.) Protest against the government
2.) End up captured by the police
3.) Be sentenced to lifetime prison, and penal labour is your new job.. :)

TigerClaw 12-23-2023 11:03 AM
Take this with a grain of salt, Since nobody else but Fox Business is reporting on this, But they say that Zaslav is not ready to make a deal yet with Paramount.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/wa...-for-paramount

LeotheLateBloomer 12-23-2023 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1981847)
Take this with a grain of salt, Since nobody else but Fox Business is reporting on this, But they say that Zaslav is not ready to make a deal yet with Paramount.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/wa...-for-paramount
Not surprising but I still stand by getting better TMNT products and movies from WB than Paramount/Viacom.

Though given Nickelodeon's ties with Universal Studios back in the days, I'm surprised Comcast hasn't showed interest in reaching out to them.

Andrew NDB 02-27-2024 05:59 PM
Talks are halted. By WB.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/warners...-merger-talks/


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