Iran attacks Israel
 

Missiles and drones launched.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/is...d-jewish-state

Highly doubt this won’t continue to escalate at this point! That whole region is probably about to become hell on Earth multiplied by a thousand!

Israel dismissed UNSC calls for a ceasefire and now is calling on them to step in :roll: Its like the school bully whining at its dad to do something now the kid they’ve been picking on has had its older brother come in to fight back.

I’m 50 this year. I don’t think I can recall any significant time when something hasn’t been going on in that region conflict wise. Almost of the opinion the entire area should be clearer, no one can have it, stop any fighting over it.

Why wouldn't they? That only benefits Hamas.

Even if Israel goes the diplomatic route it probably won’t stop Iran from continuing to try to force their hand and get things ramped up even more.

And the small matter of the hundreds of thousands of displaced people struggling to get eat and stay warm, let alone stay alive, and the aid workers getting killed trying to do that by Israel, yeah let’s just overlook that :roll: when even the US is behind the ceasefire solution, you might, just ever so slightly, be on the wrong side of the decision process.

I will note, obviously, that I don’t condone what Iran has done, or tried to do here. Doesn’t help matters one iota to de-escalate the situation.

The "ceasefire solution" isn't one. And what a horrible message that would send if they did do a ceasefire: "go ahead and invade a country and rape, behead and massacre hundreds of men, women and babies... as long as you go back to your country and hide amongst your civilians (who by all metrics far and wide support you and what you did) then we'll just leave you alone." I mean, that's setting up a really sh**ty playbook for future terror attacks.

In the long-term, Israel's reputation will continue deteriorating and it will eventually collapse.

October 7th eventually had most of the world sympathising with the Israelis but in the long-term, they have lost tons of money and resources. This is no different.

The bully? Its a smaller kid who tries to kill a much bigger kid then getting mad when the kid doesnt let him run away when he hides behind his mom.

Hamas, whose goal is to commit another Holocaust, is attacking a country who has tried multiple times to make peace and finally gave them land and infrastructure to try to get some peace. This would literally not be happening if Hamas didnt attack Isreal.

You are supporting literal Nazis.

I think your example would be more accurate if the big kid took away the small kids house and killed his family.

And big kid always falls back on mommy USA.

Yes they have been at war for a long time. Israel has said "leave us alone" multiple times and the Palestinians have denied it time and time again. At least 5 times that I know about they said "Look, we just want this take everything else" until they finally displaced their own population. You know, a population that supports the genocide of the Jewish people.

As it stands though...Hamas is knowingly attacking a stronger force from the homes of civilians who support them. This didn't start back up till they decided to throw that punch. Kind of play stupid games scenario. I hope Israel gets its land that it abandoned for peace back.

As a Palestine and by extension Hamas supporter, I respect your tone with me and willingness to discuss.

I think the "leave us alone" part by Israel is where they fall flat. They are the occupier, therefore they have no right to tell the occupied that they want to be left alone.

And I would disagree that it started on October 7th. It started the moment that Palestinians were kicked out of their own land.

Yep, its their land. They were there before Rome took it (the people who named it Palestine). Its their land after it was reconquered and given back. It might be time for them (assuming you don't still live there) to stop picking fights with people who can and have the support to wipe them off the map. Hamas (the people wanting to commit genocide) are lucky the Geneva convention happened.

After the Holocaust the Jews just need some peace and you arent helping.

I support Jewish people who want to live in Palestine, as long as they don't displace the local population.

Palestine has been continuosly starved and its people massacared for 70 plus years for the sake of the Zionist regime.

Why are they striking out against the much technologically superior Israel and risk annihiliation? Its because they have nothing to lose.

A dying people can either choose to perish in silence, or strike out one last time against the nation which has continuosly violated their right to Self-Determination. They chose the latter, and they are turning the world opinion against Israel in a way that is unprecedented in modern history, even if their odds of survivng are slim.

Free Palestine.

…what.

Please tell me you’re trolling. Does supporting Muslims make you by extension a supporter of ISIS? Palestinians resent Hamas too because they’re zealous bloodthirsty terrorists.

Na, I don't support Isis. Isis is an American and Israeli psyop designed to destabilise the Muslim world.

I support Hamas insofar as they fight for Palestinian self-determination. I can condemn specific atrocities by Hamas (the proven ones, not Zionist hoaxes), but their cause is just and the rationale behind their military operations is justified.

Palestine can be free! Take the two state solution that has been offered 5 times and be free. Stop attacking Israeli civilians and be free. Stop advocating genocide and be free.

The Palestinians are coveting what is the Isreali's. The land belongs to Israel. They own it again (after a hiatus). If they keep attacking over a century old land dispute they lost...What can you expect?

Right. And it was actually extraterrestrials who built the pyramids, not the Egyptians.

Radical extremists do exist, you know. I would name Jonestown as an example, but you’d probably dismiss that as a CIA experiment gone horribly wrong.

Ah, the classic “The end justifies the means” logic. If you give monsters an inch, they’ll burn down the entire world.

I think there is a huge difference between Palestine's claims from 75 years ago (and more recently) and Israel's claims from thousands of years ago.

There are living Palestinians today older than the state of Israel itself.

Even then, the Jews weren't completely barred from Palestine before 1948 (for example: the Havaara Agreement). There could've been ways of settling that didn't involve expulsion and the extermination of Arabs.

You know who doesn't support that? The Palestinians. Historically.

A constantly conquered land being conquered. It has changed hands multiple times so...Yeah the last time it changed hands was back to the Jews. Hamas is trying really hard to make sure that those old Palestinians go away, you know...attacking people with bigger and better guns from the hospitals.

Also...are you really suggesting that Jews can freely go into a place ran by a group that wants to commit a second holocaust against them? Are you seriously suggesting that?

Crashing the economy and leading us into World War 3… wasn’t this supposed to happen during the Trump Presidency?

Remember when Trump whacked that top terrorist guy in Iran, they were left spooked and never retaliated. Obama and Biden, on the other hand, are funding these terrorists billions of taxpayer dollars. And no way a weak puppet President like Biden can keep Iran, China, Russia, and North Korea in check. Weak U.S. leadership enables and emboldens commies, nazis, dictators and terrorists all over the world. All by design, war mongering globalist agenda.

Wasn’t there also a Trump era Middle East Peace deal that the Biden regime un-did?

The last time I checked, The "kill all Jews" clause simply does not exist in the Hamas charter.

Not true. There have been Jewish and Arab communities living together in Palestine living for more than a thousand years.

There were even instances of Jewish Emigration to Palestine such as the Havaraa Agreement in 1933-1939 which did not cost the Arabs.

The actions of the last few weeks have made it painfully obvious that Israel doesn’t just want to defeat Hamas (which is a fair cause) but essentially displace anyone not Jewish from the region and take all the land back for themselves. The illegal land grabs back and new Israeli settlements for years so far were indicators, let alone the mistreatment of the Palestinians living there.

As for Iran, that’s the unknown factor. Targeting a consulate in Syria… I mean sure, bad guys might be inside but these are <Joss Ackland> diplomatic immunity <\JA> locations you’re not supposed to blow up because once you start down that path, almost anything from a worldwide legal binding agreement perspective is off the table and a viable target.

Hamas need support. The more brutal Israel are, the more support Hamas have on the ground. The more Hamas are seen to be the plucky underdog fighting Israel, the more support Hamas have politically. No fight against Israel, no need for Hamas.

Israel has a largely far right government. It has the same support issues as Hamas. The more powerful Israel's enemies are seen to be, the more support Israel's government has on the ground. The more Israel is seen to be the victim of terrorist violence, the more support Israel has politically. When Israel has no enemies, the far right is no longer needed.

With Hamas as disruptive force it's near impossible to reach the former goal of a two-state solution, a solution Netanyahu and his far-right government are opposed to themselves. In the end you get two political enemies somehow supporting and depending on each other.

October 7th was basically to Netanyahu what the Argentinian attack on the Falkland Islands was to Maggie Thatcher’s political stature in 1982. Struggling, opinion in the country turning against, and suddenly a vital conflict girds more unifying support and a “distraction” from self imposed troubles.

Of course, temporarily. The next phase will be occupying the territory and getting the "wipe out the Jews" propaganda from the schools and basically de-nazifying the whole region for the next generation otherwise this will just keep happening.

Not to mention, who would run the Palestinian state? Certainly not Hamas. Egypt doesn't want to, neither does Jordan. The Palestinian Authority might do it, but that's the same Palestinian Authority that pays money to anyone with a confirmed Jewish kill... so probably not them, right? Who's left? There isn't anybody.

You're completely ignorant of how government works in Israel. Right now Netanyahu is part of a war cabinet which includes prominent members of the left, all of which are completely unified in what they're doing in Gaza.

I feel like its inevitable the US will always be “at war,” in conflict”, or tied up in proxy war with either Iran or Iraq (usually while playing nice with the other one). Just take your pick from decade to decade. Except you can’t blame this on one an oil crisis. This is about “right to exist” ideology that not even Jimmy Carter in his best days would have had any chance to resolve.

Yeah, when the closest thing to modern day Nazi's are attacking you from civilian buildings to try to make you look like the bad guys when you respond to their Holocaust #2 attempts after repeated peace attempts with a two state solution I am sure any country would get a bit crabby.

The middle east has been in war for hundreds of years and will be for the next hundreds of years. There is no helping that region, every single country there is living 100 years in the past.

I feel bad for all the innocent people there caught up in all these wars, but there's really nothing that can be done. It really does not help that Israel is literally surrounded by all those Muslim or Islamic countries. Like imagine if Israel was in Africa or something, or further up in Europe...almost all these wars would not even be a thing. It's geographic location is literally the worst spot for everyone.

No, permenantly.

I was referring to before the October 7th attacks occurred. Right now, any war cabinet should include members of parties from all sides, it certainly did here during WW2 for example even though Churchill was in charge and had the final say in matters. And you weren't aware of how increasingly unpopular Netanyahu was becomming prior to the attack. Not everyone Jewish outside Israel supports the actions of the country right now.

What I think we can all agree on, is that the situation is, and has been for decades, a complete fustercluck, and that in hindsight, the decisions taken post WW2 in that region haven't necessarily been the best they could have turned out to be. But what could have been the alternatives? That is the $64B question, and one I certainly can't answer despite what I know politically and historically.

Based on what? They have no interest in that. They themselves voluntarily left the Gaza strip 20 years ago. During which time, of course, guess what the Palestinians could have been doing? Building their state up, creating their own "two state solution." What did they do instead? Voted in Hamas almost unanimously and then spent billions of dollars in foreign aid not in infrastructure but digging terror tunnels and buying up rockets and mortars so as to be ready to kill more Jews.

Doesn't make any difference. Nobody on either side would be reacting remotely differently.

No, you won't really find any actual practicing Jews who don't support Israel, really. You might bump into a couple with blue hair who haven't been to synagogue in 20 years, but that's about it.

This is what genuinely boggles my mind. People of that bent spend so much time trying to make whatever small tiny connections between people they disagree with and Nazi's to justify their position.

However...when Hamas is actually tries to commit Genocide and kill people they find inferior (like LGBT people) they *agree* with them.

Evidence that people don't generally operate on a true moral core. Instead most people just present the information as they feel suits them...

And why waste a perfectly good opportunity to rag against The West™?

Rent-a-mob clowns.

And been slowly taking bits of it back ever since…

I know we aren’t going to agree on a bunch of matters, but there’s a huge amount of not anti Israel sentiment in a lot of Western countries, it’s not the people, it’s the actions of the Government and the IDF. A mate of mine knew one of the aid workers recently killed. I could spend time typing what his thoughts are from what occurred, but quite frankly, why bother, it’s not going to make a difference to anyone here. Cue old comment about arguing on the internet and the Special Olympics…

Even America, in its almost blind hamstrung support of Israel regardless, is wavering with the various calls currently to tone the **** down in its actions. It’s like everyone in Palestine deserves to suffer for the actions of Hamas, in the same way Muslims in general got nuked in the US due to the idiots who carried out 9/11. Because that’s the impression I get in general in this thread.

Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis are all pretty openly just fingers of Iran... and not all Islamic countries are down with them. Israel's overall goal is most likely to box in Iran and then... not sure. Probably just hamstring them, at that point. Israel will seek alliances with places like Saudi Arabia and Jordan.

Though idk. Israel kind of has to do something to Iran directly at this point or future attacks will just be accepted. But probably not until they are done with Hamas. Ironically what Iran has done here -- which was largely just ceremonial, to show Iranians that they will do SOMETHING when their leaders were killed (one of them, apparently the mastermind of the 10/7 attacks, so there's that) by the IDF -- is to soften international resistance to Israel finishing the job in Gaza. Not that Israel cares or should care.

Israel basically attacked what is supposed to be "neutral" sovereign territory belonging to one country situated in a third country. You're not supposed to do that, and Israel thought it could get away with it. Why do you think we never stormed the Ecuadorian embassy in London to get Julian Assange out despite the active warrants at the time?

Was Iran's response disproportionate to what occurred? Definitely. But this is Iran so... same careful consideration as dealing with Russia currently. Unfortunately.

Not true. It was a military base NEXT to an embassy. Why there is a military base right next to an embassy, it isn't too hard to surmise reasons if your supposition begins with "well, if they're up to no good, then..." And evidently the Iranian leaders were meeting with Hezbollah there at that time? Hmm... wonder why.

Regardless of its use at the time (which I’m not going to dispute because of the people listed as being killed), from the reports I’ve read in media here (not anything to do with Middle East media etc), still diplomatic soil, still a diplomatic building and why so many Western countries reacted when it occurred.

Several U.S. bridges, airports and highways were blocked by pro Hamas protesters on Monday, in what appears to be organized crime. George Soros anti-American foot soldiers at it again.

It’s crazy how these pro Hamas protesters can just block airports, highways, and bridges, and the police just stand around and do nothing. It almost seems like the cops were aiding and abetting them. Everyone saw the recent Baltimore bridge collapse, and these commies and nazis have the nerve to block traffic, trapping all those cars on a bridge. What if another ship comes by and crashed into it?

Burning US flag and chanting “death to America” in NYC:

https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1779963797299491226

This is domestic terrorism, the enemy is already here. Any illegals engaging in this activity should immediately be deported.