Post your TMNT hot takes here.
 

I guess I might as well begin.

1. Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is the second best Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie after the one from 1990.

2. Old Man River and Bloodsucker are the best Mirage TMNT villains after the Shredder.

3. Michealangelo committing Styracodon genocide just because his girlfriend dumped him is the worst momment in all of TMNT and way worse than April O'Neil getting it on with a cockroach

4. TMNT(2007) is a worse Ninja Turtles film than Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III and may I add that the Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie did both a better interdimensional invasion and Leonardo learning how to become a leader story than the TMNT film from 2007.

5. The Fred Wolf cartoon Casey Jones is honestly a better representation of the Mirage Casey Jones then the 2003 4kids Casey Jones.

We do have an “unpopular opinion” thread, which is basically the same thing: https://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sh...ad.php?t=61448

I agree, except I’d rank Turtles Forever second best and put Rise third. Not that there’s stiff competition lol.

This is a unique one, kinda hard to argue with though. That is a great story.

Yeah 2007 is worse than all the 90’s movies, but better than everything that came after it (not counting Forever or vs. Batman).

Big picture, not really. But considering his first two episodes were written and recorded in 1988, yeah that’s an interesting way to look at it.

Well, I might as well start with the opinion I shared in that other thread and work my way down:

1. I like the Mark Martin issues, I think they're "basically purely comedic TMNT" done right.
2. The FW show was already bad in season one, less bad is not the same as good.
3. When you don't just look at individual episodes and try to examine the thing as a whole, you'll find that the 2012 show tells a pretty sloppy story that relies on largely unearned heart string tugs to keep you invested.
4. The Reporter April thing was a dumb change and I hate that PD, Rise and Mutant Mayhem writers won't let it go, even Human-Utrom Hybrid Ninja April was a better idea than that.
5. Having Splinter be the mutant form of Hamato Yoshi is not better than having him start out as a rat, since it just opens up a bigger can of worms than a rat knowing martial arts, which he doesn't need to have full mastery of right at the start of a fifteen year gap by the way.
6. Bebop and Rocksteady are just annoying and should be phased out instead of treated like an integral part of TMNT, which they weren't outside of the FW cartoon before the mid-2010's by the way.
7. The Technodrome is lame and you know it, such a thing can only be used once before it becomes a joke.
8. Having superhero characters in TMNT like the Justice Force and Nobody is actually fine and it's the the countless other ooze mutants that you should think diminish the Turtles' special place in their world, because giving countless characters the same exact freak accident origin as the Turtles actually does do that, not characters with unrelated origins.
9. I understand why the Utrom Shredder thing was implemented, you can't exactly make it clear that this world is one full of evil alien empires and time travelling wizards just to go back to the primary antagonist just being some guy with knives on his shoulder pads without it looking kinda strange.
10. The Archie TMNT series is a bad comic, it showed some promise towards the end but for the vast majority of its run it was an overly preachy, nonsensical comic with bafflingly bad artwork. I can't just pretend the last 20 or fewer issues of a 70 issue long comic redeemed it.

Nobody has no superpowers, so I don't think many TMNT fans question him.

Sadly the broken search engine of this forum made me discover that way to late :tcry:.

No they're not, there's other way better villains like... like... oh. :lol:

I'd put Baxter way up there, though.

If he wasn't doing that it still would have happened.

Nah, I don't even like it but TMNT (2007) is way better than TMNT II or III. If you scrape out all the bullsh** in the movie, there's still a genuine beating heart there with all the brotherhood stuff and especially the Leo/Raph stuff coming to a head. TMNT II and III doesn't have any of that, just goofiness and camp.

Maybe. I don't think much of anything in 2003 is a good representation of Mirage.

1. I don't think Casey and April should've got married in the Mirage continuity.

2. There's never been a TRULY great action scene in any of the live-action films.

3. I don't like the whole Tang Amaya is actually Lady Shredder -> Mistress -> Headhunter. And honestly, I wish Carlson just had Karai as Lady Shredder in the Urban Legends conclusion, but maybe Andrew can fill the gap on why he didn't do that.

TMNT 2007 is the second best theatrical film after 1990.

The Last Ronin is overrated.

April should be a 20 something woman without supernatural powers and should not be lusted after by the tmnt.

My take is that we are just now entering a “golden age” of TMNT.
Nothing is going to replicate “turtle mania” and nothing can replace nostalgia, but we are in the early stage of some of the best TMNT stories and entertainment since the early years.

The take is that we are essentially at the TMNT’s “Dark Knight Returns” moment in terms of overall franchise direction and yes this is mostly due to the success of The Last Ronin.

"Tmnt 2007 is way better..."
"Best theatrical film..."

Meanwhile:

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I wonder how your social issues are outside the internet.

Mind your own business. Pardon.

You don't get to say "Mind your own business" when you constantly make every thread you show up in about your myriad of personal problems and try to make it everyone else's problem. If you want people to "mind their own business," stop bringing your business into threads where we just wanna talk about comics and cartoons.

Seems like a pretty sick individual.

When did I ever brought my business.
Just sharing opinions, just like you all are.

Oh, sorry if sickness is confused with a critique.

Also, "sickness" can depend on tastes. But was never gonna say it out loud.

The thing that makes it so bad tho is that it is Michelangelo. You know the turlte who risked his life to save the Christmas toys that were being taken from orphan children. The turtle who even wanted Leonardo to spare the Rat King after said villain had both knocked out poor Michelangelo and made no secret of the fact that he was going to punish Michelangelo for walking into ''the Rat King's territory''.

Then said Turtle wants to and succeds in commiting genocide because self-entitled incel rage.

Please, note that this would have been bad enough if the most aggresive turtle Rapheal had done this as let's not forget that even he scolded Casey Jones for dishing out a capital punishment for every crime he came across. But Leonardo, Donnatelo and especially Michealangelo??! No way!

I get that the turtles are ninjas but that does not mean that they are meant to performe character assasination against themselves and honestly even Casey Jones doing something so pathetically petty and violent would make me rise and eyebrow. Yes, even the guy who steals a lobster and goes out of his way to risk his life to keep it should be above commiting genocide over a pretty face.

Now that is a based take!

I always got the feeling that perhaps there it was going to be a "Deathstroke's drugs" situation to explain it had the series been finished. Otherwise, it just ended up being completely out of character. But it was never finished, so for the time being that's where we're stuck.

My TMNT hot take: I think ticktack rules.

And why would superpowers be a problem if the series has sorcerers, psychics and time travellers that nobody bats an eye at?

Heresy!

Heresy!

I think that’s the misdirection he was going for. It would have felt repetitive after she pretended to be Shredder in CAW. Carlson always loved a good twist.

I should probably get around to mine, though it might only be a hot take in the context of this forum.

I think that every iteration of TMNT (Except Rise and Mutant Mayhem, which I have great distaste for) are enjoyable for what they are, accurate to Mirage or not, and worthy of being "taken seriously" (even in the case of the 87 show, as much as you can take an 80s cartoon seriouly). Even with IDW, which has sucked for a while, the stuff from the pre #100 era is still worth reading. None of them are perfect.

I also think that every version, even the 87 show, have had some good ideas that are worth exploring further, and shouldn't be discounted just because of their source. (Even Rise to some degree, but NOT Mutant Mayhem. Even I can find something good to say about rise, but I have nothing good to say about MM).

I think this may be a neutral take in a wider context, but it seems a hot take here.

Is it a hot take question to ask would you choose Bay's trash over Mutant Mayhem? Not judging, just want a broader perspective.

I personally would say 2014 was better than Mutant Mayhem, but OotS was worse.

EDIT: I should point out that is me looking at those movies as objectively as possible. To put them in the context of the cultural zeitgeist, I look at Mutant Mayhem as a harmless baby movie and I don’t have particularly strong feelings about it. But 2014 set TMNT back 20 years and I will always hate it for that.

That could have been our shot. This was the same year as Winter Solider and Guardians of the Galaxy. One year after Man of Steel. ****ing ANT-MAN got an honest shot at the big screen and did well the following year. There is no reason Paramount didn’t at least attempt to bring the comics to life.

TMNT could have even worked with the “Cinematic Universe” fad of those days. Casey, Fugitoid, Shredder, Karai, hell even Splinter could have carried his own movie if they wanted. I’ll never understand it.

I would absolutely take the Bay movies over Mutant Mayhem. Mutant Mayhem is terrible. Weirdly enough, I actually like the 2016 one more compared to the 2014 one, mostly because the 2014 one felt like it was embarrassed to be Ninja Turtles, but the 2016 one was completely unashamed and tried to essentially be a live action 87 show. Which, if you already don't like, would not appeal to you at all, but if you enjoy the 87 show, then you might enjoy the 2016 movie. Though outside of the movie, there is something to be said of the whole "this was the shot" perspective. It's honestly the only reason I'm not totally opposed to a Last Ronin movie, since it technically could finally get people to see adult potential in TMNT.

And while we're here, I think Eric Sachs as Shredder could have been fine, if they had gone the mantle route. All it would have taken was one line, "I was inspired by a Japanese warlord named Oroku Saki" or something like that. As it stands, having the two characters just made that particular story more incoherent. I'm not saying it's necessarily a good choice overall, just that it could have been made to work in that specific iteration.

Those awful noses on the 2014 movie Turtles just killed it. They looked like 4 Hulk's with humanoid noses. I was traumatized back in 2014 when the designs were revealed and it's like 12 years later and I have yet to fully recover. Eric Sachs was a god awful idea, but I wish the actual Shredder got something to do.

All in all it doesn't matter now, they were two poor movies that have been completely forgotten about. Like even casuals don't talk about them, so the "damage" was pretty much forgotten about. People still talk about the 90's trilogy movies and the 2007 movie, people forget the two Bay movies even happened.

TBF I think the hulk designs worked whithin the context of the movie. I wouldn't mind it if someone actually made good figures based off those designs.

If they had actually kept Sachs as Shredder, it would've been a better movie.

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All in all it doesn't matter now, they were two poor movies that have been completely forgotten about. Like even casuals don't talk about them, so the "damage" was pretty much forgotten about. People still talk about the 90's trilogy movies and the 2007 movie, people forget the two Bay movies even happened.[/QUOTE]

This is true, though the movie is a decade old, the kids who might've grown up with it would likely start getting nostalgic in the next couple of years, first one was somewhat of a success. I don't know if that's actually going to be the case, I don't think merchandise was too successful either.

Really only Michelangelo has a human like nose.

1. Making Ninja Turtles like X-Men was never a good idea because they have no reason to be guardians. They care more about seeking and figuring out their own existence than pursuing the common good.

2. If Mikey didn't survive and became Splinter, there would have been no reason to make The Last Ronin sequel. Storyline, the new generation of turtles and Marie are boring.

3. TMNT: Deviations is probably the best "bad future" elseworld story, even better than 2003 SAINW episode. When Shredder thought he had won and was at the top, he didn't expect that what happened next was to fall into hell.

The four turtles survived, but have to face the worst-case scenario of ‘‘’everybody is dead, which might be a more interesting darker ending.

Can't argue there, but that's what the TPTB want I suppose.

Most people aren't aware of them.

I've said this before, but Irma is hotter than April.

I'm not so sure characters like Renet can be considered unknown or obscure.

Hot take: The Rise movie is incredible. High stakes, super emotional, great time travel logic, awesome action and visuals. I’m not the biggest fan of the show, but the movie fully legitimizes those turtles for me.

Well, it's certainly fine for what it is. Not entirely sure why they felt the need to retcon the crackhead from being the official Casey to just being his mom but whatever.

We wouldn't want future versions to get ideas of taking another crack at the concept. Plus with the finale being rushed, it was likely an idea they just threw in.

I'm talking about in-universe. The average person on Earth wake up in the morning, take the car or bus to the job, return home in the afternoon, watch television in the home in the evening and then go to his or her own bed without knowing about their existence.

Her attire says she's "Timid and doesn't grab attention".
While her personality is expressive and has bravery (somewhere unusual for a female).


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One negative:

The running gag about failed love life - never landing a man, always being the joke when she tried.
• It reflects a lazy ‘80s trope where a female character without romance was automatically “pathetic.”
• This framed her as the “comic relief” because of her failure, not because of clever humor.
• The gag often made her look oblivious, like she didn’t notice she was being mocked — which reads as mean-spirited writing.

Bottom line

So yeah — you’re right.
Her only real flaw was how the writers used her as a punching bag gag. That’s why some fans find her portrayal frustrating: they like her bravery and quirks, but hate that the script punished her for not fitting the “ideal woman” mold.


+ Irma, potential appeal in contrast.
- Irma, casual misogny as a joke.



Edit:
Non-spoiler.

Shesus. You really can't turn it off, can you?

And it would make 0 sense. Karai would come to New York to challenge Raphael for the mantle of Shredder? Why would she need to do that, or WANT to do that? She's already in charge of the Japanese Foot and above everybody... so let's come to New York and assert leadership over the New York Foot? Which she already oversees? Why would she want to seek a demotion?

For Gary, it was always going to be Karai's (apparently) murdered daughter from CAW as Lady Shredder. Gary set this up slightly earlier in the volume with the Foot council mentioning Karai had been missing of late. This was because she was tending to her daughter.

Though I admit as a kid, when I first read those comics I assumed Lady Shredder was Karai. Even though that wouldn't make any sense.

What's your problem!