Classic Episode Discussion: Enter the Fly
 

HA! And you thought this kind of discussion was over!

Hark! For I have returned to the blessed forums, more educated than ever to bring you the return of the CLASSIC EPISODE DISCUSSIONS!!!!!!

*fitting orchestra music begins*

Now, with that aside, I believe the discussions stopped with DK's Case of the Killer Pizzas thread. So, naturally, that should make the next one in line be Enter the Fly.

I'm afraid I have some bad news, though: ever since I got my new computer, I haven't used my older SB card that I used to cap the sound clips you all know and love, so I've finally broken the tradition of including a sound clip whenever I start a thread such as this one.

In any case, what do you think of this one? The beginning of Baxter Stockman, the FLY. What direction do you think the series took with this twist in the story of the turtles? (I already know the answer from a vast majority of members here, but what the hey?)

[Stickified for ya- Nturtle]

I was really surprised cause I never expected them to change Baxter that way. The surprising was, Krang was actually gonna KILL Baxter, so he saved himself by turning into that fly. The ep was cool, it had Baxter as a fly, the posionous Doku plant that almost killed April and the Knucklehead.

I prefere Cyborg Baxter.

Cyborg Baxter and fly baxter if only I could put them together and get super baxter.

:lol: I shall call him Ultra Baxter!

your funny lets hear for this guy. clap everyone. he name the new baxster.

RE:
 

Cyborg Baxter? That's news to me.

Re: RE:
 

it's on the new teenage mutant ninja turtle show.

It was a good episode, I was surprised too at Krang's cruetly here that he was going to just kill Baxter. Another interesting point to notice, is that in the beginning Baxter and Shredder are atop the World Trade Centre. I bet they'd never show this episode today on tv, same with The big blowout. I can just see the hordes of whiny people now.....

I still get goosebumps when I watch the scene where Krang goes to kill Baxter. It's just incredibly dark for the series, something you never saw during Seasons 3-6. This could be one of the reasons for the change in tone.

I'll never forget all the weird lights in that "killing room" and how you could see Baxter's skeleton as Krang's ray attempted to kill him. Yeesh! That's about as graphic as it got for the old cartoon series.

Other than that, however, "Enter: The Fly" was a great episode. The only thing that annoyed me about it was the fact that the plant used to save April looks exactly like the plant Shredder used to try and kill her.

That's a case of just being lazy on the animators' part. Oh, well. It wasn't the first time such a mistake was committed, and it wouldn't be the last.

"You've made a terrible mistake!" - Baxter Stockman, from "Enter: The Fly"

'Say goodbye to your Gasai'

'I think I'll name it after you.'
'Gee, thanks boss.'
'I'll call it the Knucklehead.'

I have always and comments
 

I have always remembered this ep since I saw it back in 1988. To this day most the of people who I know, I am in college, remember the ep of when Baxter was turned into the fly. 6 years ago when I was at summer camp the kids there remembered that ep and said it was an old episode. My brother, 5 years older than me, still remembers that ep. I watched the ep last summer, on my tape of it. This was ONE of my favorite eps. I don't know about them not showing it now since 9/11 was 2.5 years ago.

I agree with everybody that that showed KRang's truley evil side of trying to murder baxter. Remember when the rock soilders dragged baxter and baxter screamed I can be of help to you I'm a scientist and KRang says so am I and I don't need the assistance of a measley earth creature, into the disinegrator unit with him. Krang killed baxter since he was of no use. I don't understand why Shredder wanted to get rid fo baxter and wanted bebop and rocksteady back since they have screwed up his plans many many many many many many times, but bebop and rocksteady have strength and are willing to bash the turtles.The last straw was when baxter put the wrong battery in the divise for the twin towers thing, which was a simple mistake. But it was nice of krang to change his mind of not sending shredder help and automatically sending him bebop and rocksteady when shredder requested them. Maybe Krang did it to speed up their quest for world domination. From what I have seen on TV episode guids, since I stopped watching the show in 1992 or 1993, This was Baxter's last appearance as a human. How did Baxter fall for the trick of the turtles being responsible for his condition? This was a dark episode with april's near death and Krang trying to kill baxter since he was of no use to him. I wonder what viewers thought when they showed the technodrome a few minutes after shredder threw baxter in the portal.

Don't forget that fatal scream...

I thought this was an awesome episode, especially since its on the same tape after "case of the killer pizzas"(I didn't like that episode) It was wierd watching it again seeing how baxter was a terrorist and he was going to destroy the WTC. I wonder if they will release this episode to dvd because of that. :-?

This is an interesting episode. April almost dies, Baxter almost dies, and the knucklehead makes its first of only two or three appearances! It's loaded with classic lines like "here's ghuzi in your eye!"
It's been years since I've seen this, but I remember the world trade center reference and I too wonder if they would even release it nowadays. Maybe in a few more years...
Unfortunately, though, this is the last episode of human Baxter. And every subsequent Baxterfly episode, Baxter was promised he would be changed back into a human and it NEVER happened. I always hoped it was going to happen, but it never did. Introducing Barney Stockman (Baxter's twin brother?!?) was just a cruel joke. And also , what's with "Landlord of the Flies"? That totally goes out of Baxter fly episode continuity!
But anyway, back to the episode. When I saw this as a little kid, I never understood how making Baxter go "a micro-second forward in time" could "render him permanently out of phase with the rest of the world".

I know this is off-topic, but I never quite got this reasoning either. I'm a huge fan of the "Back to the Future" movies, and according to Doc's theory, anyone transported through time will just have to avoid their double.

So, using Doc's reasoning, if the Turtles were transported a micro-second forward in time, there'd be eight of them running around instead of four. Of course, this would create a time-warp paradox that could destroy the universe and the like. According to Doc's theory. :wink:

Then Shredder would really go nuts. :lol:

"Oh, blast!" - Shredder, from "Enter: The Fly"

...
 

Good episode, I remember it back from my younger TMNT days. I finally got to see it again a couple years back and its still up on my list of favorite eps.

As for the whole Baxter thing, I was kind of sad to see him as a human go.
I guess you kinda get used to him and Shredder as a criminal duo, even though their relationship is shaky at best. On the other hand, with Baxter out of the way, Bebop and Rocksteady come back which I like because personally I like their antics.

Overall, this episode actually has a good solid story and its one that keeps you watching whereas other eps in the next few seasons kinda got lame.

that ep is my least facortie!! My favotire ep is Invasion of the Punk Frogs. But in enter the fly they do go to the twin towers which is really cool.

I have to agree that human Baxter was much better then fly Baxter in every way. It's too bad he never stuck around for later seasons. But his intellect is probably why writers got rid of him. I think they wanted to dumb the show down and introduce R & B as permanent "co-stars" since they would always provide endless scenes of slapstic comedy, which they figured all kids find hilarous. I have a feeling if human Baxter was around as Shredder's sidekick even for one more season (or at least alternate with R&B), the show would definately have taken a more serious turn, because he had a lot more capacity to either help or hinder Shredder. But my guess is, the writers were capable of, but told to stay away from, complexity of plot and character. Personally though, I would have loved to see Baxter's and Krang's characters get developed more and possibly show some rivalry between them in the future, as scientists.

Meh, there was no real development left for Baxter, turning him into a mutant insect meant a great way to plug a new toy AND give him something new, but he ended up becoming a recurring villian rather than a regular one

Still, his sacrifice gave us Rocksteady and Bepop for several years so I'm not complaining.

I won't say it...I won't say it...I won't say it...

Yeah. Hell, Baxter wasn't a bad guy originally. He was just some lowly inventor trying to sell his mousers to a local mousetrap shop. Shredder forced him to make millions of em not really knowing why, and he was sent to jail, not really knowing why. Hell, Shredder even sent foot soldiers to kill him, without him even knowing why. Gotta feel sorry for the guy at this point.


The new season starts with Baxter in the looney bin and Shredder busts him out and Baxter somehow becomes all evil and willing to do bad stuff and whatnot. Eventually he does tire of Shredder's treatment and does try to rule it all when he had the Eye of Sarnath. I have no idea why Shredder even kept him around after that. Well, the portal could send Bebop and Rocksteady back in exchange for someone else, so Shredder threw useless Baxter in there, and since Krang didn't see much use in some human, he tried to kill him. Instead Baxter became a fly with plots of revenge against not only the TMNT but Shredder too. One wonders how TMNT woulda been if Shredder had Baxter, Bebop and Rocksteady workin with him.

I do agree on the Landlord of the Flies ep, didn't fit in with the rest of the eps involving him and the computer. Although the idea of him being able to control flies was cool. One thing I didn't like about his first CBS ep 'Son of return of the Fly' was the fact that Baxter basically became a real bugbrain. All he could think about was sugar, he kept walking through walls as if he forgot to use doors... I mean... it's so sad seeing a once genuis reduced to that level of stupidity...

This was certainly a classic episode.
Baxter's demise, from a loser, to a loser who has his car stolen by a bunch of turtles, to being committably insane, to a giant hideous half-man half-fly was one of the best parts of the series. Its really funny if you think about it.

:lol: It was ZARNOTH damnit! :P

Anyone ever notice how Shredder's not wearing any pants when he first releases the Knucklehead machine on the Turtles? It's the one and only time we see his bare legs in the entire series.

Methinks the artists were having a little fun. :P

"Mere child's play!" - Shredder, from "The Incredible Shrinking Turtles"

Yes, this would have been interesting. What little of the following seasons I've rewatched recently really are dumbed down...despite the fact that I love Bebop and Rocksteady, its true they went from vicious punks to little more than stooges. Despite the comic relief, they really weren't that conniving of enemies. Course they were never smart to begin with.

As for the Shredder pantless thing...I'll need to rewatch that, don't think I noticed that. :lol:

Oh, it's there, my friend. Once you've seen it, you'll notice it every time you watch the episode. :lol:

"Oh, thanks for grossing me out, dude!" - Michaelangelo, from "Peking Turtle"

At last the topic's been stickied :D

spelling
 

Don't forget, two Rock Soldiers died at Baxter's hand.

Lisardo: It's not that...it's how it's actually pronounced, plust you mixed universes in the first place. "Sarnath" was a character in the Archie comics.
Besides, I'm pretty sure you'd be saying something one HELL of a lot different if somebody spelled "Leonardo" with an "e" instead of an "a" ;) The official site says "Zarnov", so I'm going to call it that way.

I guess no one cares if:

- Someone called the song "Jingle BALLS" instead of "Jingle BELLS"
- Someone spelled "weird" the wrong way (yes, there ARE exceptions to the I before E except after C rule...that's one of them)

Or anything else along those lines, eh?

To see how Sarnath is spelled in the 'toon, just play it and put on the closed captions.

I didn't like when Baxter got turned into a fly either I thought he was a good character before the mutation.

But this was a good episode.

And this episode proved how ruthless Krang could be before they changed the cartoon from action to comedy.

Also I wonder what happened to those other mutant punks that were part of Bebop & Rocksteady's gang?

Clearly, Baxter was utalizing a different form of time travel, one more like the kind they used in Stephen King's The Langoliers. If you recall Baxter's return episode in 1989, he was in a 4th-Dimensional plane (a micro-second forward in time) watching the TMNT sparring from inside their lair, and then he went through the Earth's crust until he reached the Technodrome.

LOL, that would be funny. However, you're thinking of what happens when people go backwards through time, not forward (unless they have a means of going both ways).

I remember seeing this eppisode while vacationing in Florida as a wee tot. (I also remember seeing the Mona Lisa epp at the beach) and It just so happens that I watched this epp last night;

A great epp IMO, lots of stuff going on; April Poisined- Turtles need to find the antidote, Shredder is fed up with Baxter, Baxter gets turned into a fly monster (A cartoon version of the Monster from the 1950s Sci Fi classic; "the Fly")

And BTW the first epp on the tape (Killer Pizzas) wasn't that good at all.

....
 

Are the videos close captioned? For some reason I was thinking they weren't...I need to check that out, I'll bet I was mistaken.

Captions aren't totally offcial; they're just inserted by the distribution company, not the studio that made the show. Besides, there are plenty of flaws in captioning anyway. American Pie, for example, shows "sh*itbreak" in the captioning when the b word should be "brick", not "break".

One of my favourite episodes for reasons already mentioned in this thread. Good well-paced mix of action, humor and suspense. Splinter showing up to save the day was awesome.

Agreed, I like how he said, it’s remarkable what one can do, when one is forced to, that line inspires me not to give up at times.