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Sliced 08-04-2006 05:55 PM

Any other Godzilla fans here ?
 
So, is there anybody else who likes/loves Godzilla on the drome ? And I don't talk about the 1998 American version of Godzilla, I'm talking about the real deal, man in rubber suit type of Godzilla.

I never really considered myself as a fan untill recently. There's like 27 movies of Godzilla (including the millenium saga). And they passed a few of them on tv the other day.

I was shocked to realize that such terrible special FX, awful plot and dubbing and 2 man in rubber suits destroying cities made of cheap cartboard or whatever they used, could be so fun to watch ! I was hooked.

So I want to know, is there something wrong with me or is there other fans here as well ? :D

Godzilla movies I've seen so far... in no particular order.

Godzilla Raids again
Godzilla (1954)
Godzilla vs Mothra
Ghidrah, three headed monster
Monster Zero
Godzilla vs Destroya
Tokyo S.O.S. (Godzilla, Mothra and Mechagodzilla)
Godzilla (american)
Godzilla : Final Wars

And just in case you don't know, there will be an IMAX version of Godzilla ( Huge screen and in 3D with the glasses and all), and another film is scheduled for 2013.

Raph's Girl 08-04-2006 06:10 PM

I am a Goji...which is what Godzilla fans are called since his true name is Gojira.

The only Gojira movie I haven't seen is Final Wars.... Which I wanna see just to see Gojira beat the crap out of Jira (the American version). :lol:

DrSpengler 08-04-2006 07:07 PM

Enormous Godzilla fan, right here.

I own every Godzilla movie ever made on DVD, as well as every movie in the Godzilla universe (except the Rebirth of Mothra trilogy, cuz I hate Mothra soooo much).

Of the three eras of Godzilla (Showa, Heisei and Millenium) I'd have to say that Showa was my favorite. It had some pretty bad movies in it, but the whole era reminded me of a Marvel or DC comic book. There was an entire universe that extended past just Godzilla, with several movies in the timeline not featuring him at all yet still introducing key concepts and characters. And, every now and then, the monsters would team-up Superhero-style to take down a massive threat to earth, like King Ghidora or something.

Then, there's the shear volumn of kaiju, each with their own individual special powers and what-not. Godzilla just appeals to the superhero-fan in me (and yes, I HAVE read the Marvel Godzilla comics where he fights the Champions, SHIELD and Devil Dinosaur).

As far as my favorite monsters in the Godzilla universe go, I'd have to say Anguirus is my favorite. He has NO real powers, but he's got a lot of heart, determination and guts. Hell, he went up against Mechagodzilla all by himself, once. Sure, he got his ass handed to him, but he wasn't afraid to take the challenge even when Godzilla didn't have his back.

He's the Rocky of the Godzilla universe.

Sliced 08-04-2006 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl
I am a Goji...which is what Godzilla fans are called since his true name is Gojira.

The only Gojira movie I haven't seen is Final Wars.... Which I wanna see just to see Gojira beat the crap out of Jira (the American version). :lol:

:lol: , your gonna love the movie. Its not just about THAT, its also about all of the other fights who just showed how awsome Godzilla is, as well as some other monsters who were just blain awsome too. And you can call me a Goji as well :D

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cuz I hate Mothra soooo much
Just like me, I hate moths, too bad for MOTHra. Why didn't they just took a dragon instead of a moth to defend earth ? Dragon of good vs Dragon of evil. Cliché, but way better. No ?


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Of the three eras of Godzilla (Showa, Heisei and Millenium
I just want to get this straight, is the Hensei era starts when Minya appears ? You know, the little ugly baby godzilla who looked like Barney the purple ***** dino, and where Godzilla turned good and actually starts to defend earth ? I just want to know.


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As far as my favorite monsters in the Godzilla universe go, I'd have to say Anguirus is my favorite.
Hmm, since I haven't seen them all yet, will be hard to chose one. Other than the zilla himself, from what I've seen so far, Destroya was one bad monster. I, on the other hand, simply hates Mothra, Rodan (looked so dumb in Ghidrah, three headed monster) and Ghidrah. I hate Ghidrah's scream, as well as his non-stopping moving three heads. I just hate him. But his Mecha version does look quite hot.

Spitfire 08-04-2006 09:05 PM

I've seen almost all of them....I gota say for awhile he sucked haha but he got better. There are many bad ones. Finial Wars is the saddest excuse for a Godzilla movie ever! It has him in it for maybe 15 minutes. The rest was some bad matrix rip off haha.

Anyways Gamera is the best. His movies are really good, I mean the 3 newest I saw. The old ones were quite bad but the news ones I really like. Usually the lame human drama ruins these movies or makes them so bad their funny but in Gamera they did it pretty well. Had good Kaiju CGI as well which is really rare.

DrSpengler 08-04-2006 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sliced
I just want to get this straight, is the Hensei era starts when Minya appears ? You know, the little ugly baby godzilla who looked like Barney the purple ***** dino, and where Godzilla turned good and actually starts to defend earth ? I just want to know.

Ah okay, here's the quick lesson on the 3 eras of Godzilla.

Showa Era: Begins with "Godzilla, King of the Monsters" in 1954 and extends all the way into 1975 with "Terror of Mechagodzilla".

Heisei Era: Begins with "Godzilla: 1985" and extends all the way into 1995 with "Godzilla vs. Destroyah".

Millenium Era: Got a false start with "Godzilla (1998 )" and doesn't "really" begin until "Godzilla 2000" and extends into 2005 with "Godzilla Final Wars".


Minya first appeared in the Showa film "Son of Godzilla" in 1967. In the 1970's Hanna Barbara animated series, Godzilla had a nephew named "Godzooki". Then, in the Heisei era, Godzilla was given a new offspring in "Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II" in 1993. This offspring is typcially referred to as "Godzilla Junior".

So he's had a few different offspring depending on continuity. Hope that clears some stuff up for you.

Sliced 08-04-2006 11:09 PM

Thanks for the information. Really appreciate it. I now understand why there was 2 different offspring. One who really looked like an ass, Minya, and one who looked more like his father, junior, the one who helped in Godzilla vs Destroya and who was brought back to life by Godzilla's radiations.

I have another question for you. How many Godzilla existed ? Excluding 1998's Godzilla. I heard that there was 3 Godzilla, one who was the first and died in the first film, another one who died in 1995 in G vs Destroya, and EXCLUDING junior there was another one who spawned in the Millenium era ? Is that correct ? If so, then we might say 4 Godzilla, depending on wich version of King Kong vs Godzilla you saw, since there's 2 versions... One with Kong as the winner, and the other (the one I consider the real one) where Zilla is the winner.

DrSpengler 08-04-2006 11:22 PM

(Oh, just a note, that alternate-ending thing for King Kong vs Godzilla is actually just an urban legend, both versions end with the defeat of Godzilla.)

How many Godzillas? That really depends on timeline and such.

Showa: The number 1 ORIGINAL Godzilla first appeared in "Godzilla, King of the Monsters". He was killed by Dr. Serizawa's Oxygen Destroyer at the end of the film. A second Godzilla was awoken in "Godzilla Raids Again" and was the Godzilla featured through-out the rest of the Showa series.

Heisei: Heisei considers "King of the Monsters" as canon, and as such, the Godzilla featured through-out the Heisei series is actually the ORIGINAL Godzilla from "King of the Monsters". Due to some time traveling crap in "Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah", his origin was slightly altered, but he still remains that same Godzilla.

Millenium: The Millenium series is more difficult. Each film acts independant from continuity, meaning they don't al connect. Instead, the films take elements from whichever previous films they choose, but not all of them. "Godzilla 2000" featured the original Godzilla making a return, as did "Godzilla X Megaguirus", "Giant Monsters All-Out Attack" and "Final Wars". "Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla" had Kiryu (Mechagodzilla) built from the bones of the original Godzilla. The Godzilla it fights in both "Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla" and "Tokyo SOS" is a different Godzilla.

The Godzilla which appeared in "Godzilla (1998 )" has been officially named "Zilla" by Toho-itself. "Godzilla (1998 )" IS canon, as is Zilla, though Zilla is NOT a Godzilla.

Yeah, this stuff can get pretty confusing.

Sliced 08-05-2006 09:39 PM

Okay I see, but I found on the web a version of Kong vs Godzilla where our beloved lizard is the winner. I haven't seen it yet so I cannot validate it. But they say that its the japanese version and its showing Godzilla beating Kong.

Oh well, would had been a good idea, since there's no way Kong could really beat Godzilla... Right ?

And spitefire, you're absolutely right for Final Wars, it is a sad way to get the best of 2 worlds... But still, to see Godzilla kicking the ass of all those monsters.. Its awsome.

DrSpengler 08-05-2006 10:41 PM

I have a copy of the Japanese DVD for "King Kong vs. Godzilla" and the ending clearly implicates Kong's victory. They both tumble into the ocean, Kong resurfaces and Godzilla does not.

As for Kong being able to "realistically" beat Godzilla in battle, it's possible. Kong has super strength, boulder-throwing, superior intellect and electric fingers on his side. Godzilla has a tail and atomic breath. The fight in the fil was done fairly well, but the climax was a bit of a let down. Them tumbling into the ocean wasn't as decisive a conclusion as I would have liked. Shame we'll never get that rematch.

Sliced 08-06-2006 02:59 PM

Ok, I believe you. But its indeed pretty sad. But ''realisticly'' speaking, Kong wouldn't be able to beat something that can create a beam of excessive heat, while Kong was killed by simple planes. Oh well, I think they pretty much had to make Kong win... but I just don't want to get into this classic yet overdue discussion about who should had won :lol:

I'm about to watch Godzilla vs Megaguirus, I heard that it was one of the best Gozilla movie. We'll see.

Oh and just to talk about that, what is your top ten best Godzilla movies ?

So far my favorites :

1- Tokyo S.O.S. (I hate the ending, but still pretty awsome)

2- Godzilla vs Destroya (Aliens rip-off litteraly, but a good movie nonetheless. Godzilla's dying is sad though, but it make sense.)

3- Godzilla, King of monsters (1954) (It was awsome, the original evil Godzilla)

4- Final Wars (yeah... not the best, but all of those Godzilla fights, and the american ''Godzilla'' getting owned, you gotta love that)

5- Godzilla (american) (Yeah, not godzilla but still, the SFX were breathtaking...)

6- Ghidorah, Three headed monster (first team up of godzilla, but I hate Ghidorah, I really hate him alot.

7- Godzilla vs Mothra (One of the dumbest ending ever... but still an intersting movie.)

8- Monster Zero (Jeez, worst aliens ever. Man, I couldn't believe it... Interesting final fight, but the movie is boring.)

So there, my personnal chart so far.

DrSpengler 08-06-2006 04:26 PM

Just for the sake of noting it, the King Kong in the Godzilla universe isn't the same as the one from the classic American films. Same with the Toho version of Frankenstein.

And Godzilla vs Megaguirus is quite good; one of the better installments in the Millenium series, anyhow. But I was majorly let down by Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla and Tokyo SOS.

Top ten? Ooh that's a tough one...

1: Destroy All Monsters (I love my monster team-ups and this one can't be beat. Has some of the best rewatch value in the entire franchise, too).

2: Godzilla, King of the Monsters (A cinema classic that can be watched independantly from all the other installments and still be appreciated for its environmental commentary and very dark, frightening atmosphere. A genuinely GOOD movie, and not a campfest like Godzilla is remembered)

3: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack (The best of the Millenium series with some very inspired direction and story. Not surprising, since it was directed by the guy who did the 90's Gamera trilogy, which was awesome. Ghidorah being a good guy irked me at first, but I got over it)

4: Godzilla (1984) (I'm not usually a snob about this sort of thing, but the Japanese Godzilla 84 is leagues superior to the chopped-up and re-edited American version, Godzilla: 1985. This has a great "Oh s***, he's back!" feel to it, great special effects and absolutely NO blatant Dr. Pepper advertising in the Japanese version)

5: Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster (Awesome monster team-up, inferior only to Destroy All Monsters. The introduction of King Ghidorah, one of my favorite kaiju and some of the best special effects in the early Showa series)

6: Godzilla vs. Destroyah (One of the few films in the Heisei series worth watching, good thing it was the last. Godzilla's demise is moving and the sense of finality carries a great deal of weight. Destroyah also has one of the best character origins, being a mutation of Dr. Serizawa's Oxygen Destroyer from Godzilla, King of the Monsters; the one thing that could beat Godzilla. A nice alpha-omega feel to the film)

7: Godzilla vs. Gigan (A campy installment, but one I remember very fondly. Gigan has always been one of the cooler villains and seeing him tag team with Ghidorah against Godzilla and Anguirus was just so cool)

8: Godzilla vs. Mothra (Great flying effects on Mothra, some really cool directional flare, as well. One of the few instances in which I can tolerate Mothra. Of course, I got to se her get killed by Godzilla in this movie, so that helped)

9: Godzilla X Megaguirus (Megaguirus looked great and I liked the horror movie atmosphere, as well as their plot to kill Godzilla with a man-made black hole. A very satisfying ending battle, too)

10: Godzilla vs. Monster Zero (VERY campy but also instantly memorable, thanks mostly to the garb of the Xians. A good kaiju team-up and I can always use more King Ghidorah in my diet)

Mr._Mutant_Man 03-09-2007 03:40 PM

I'm a pretty big fan of Godzilla. Everything from the classic original film to the so bad they're good movies in the 70's. The Gojira DVD is the only one I actually own, but I've seen plenty more over the years. As bad as it allegedly is, I kind of want to see Godzilla's Revenge again.

LogicDonny 03-10-2007 02:18 PM

I am a casual Godzilla fan. I watch them movies on tv if they come on.

discordiatookie 03-11-2007 02:25 PM

I dig Godzilla, me and my granda used to watch the films when I was a nipper. Nowadays I only own 2 films, Godzilla vs Megalon on VHS (in which there's a cool as robot dude called Jet jaguar.) The other is King Kong vs Godzilla, which I got in a King Kong DVD boxset. And its a totally different Kong than the American one. I mean the American one probably wouldn't even come up to Godzilla's knee. This one matches Godzilla in height and has hilariously long arms... (In the set there's also King Kong Escapes, in which he fights the King Kong robot! And to note, both these films are from Toho...) I used to have a large Godzilla toy which has since disapeared, and there's a wee Godzilla toy living on top of my monitor, holding a train and basically looking cool....


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