Fast Forward didn't HAVE to suck so much...
 

Why does it suck so much, and what can be done to decrease the factor of suckiness???

Wrong section to start a thread like that, but what the hell. No one seems to care at all.

Hmm, what can be done...

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BTW - dude, does the left part of your signature have like... 4140.45 KB??? More than FOUR MEGABYTES??? This is so heavy indeed and definitely unacceptable.

We can watch shows like this instead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlobFExM-UM

DUDE...I remember Batman Beyond... I have the first season on DVD.....looking forward to purchasing the second...so cool, but the special features SUCK.

Heh... that picture Sewer Bull posted is funny.

But anyway...I think there were certain elements that very well COULD have worked for the show...the future didn't HAVE to be so perfect...

Also, why can't there be an ep where annoying serling gets a sai stuck stuck thru his robotic peanut-brain???

As Raph said: "I HATE the future!"

Many of us were in love with the epicness of previous seasons. That's one complaint. When lame jokes can't reasonably and easily be removed from memory without screwing up the story, it ticks me off. The stories are barely even as deep or unpredictable as the first season. The change of animation style was too sudden to not be a slap in the face. An irritating catch-phrase was forced upon us regarding the time. :roll: The characters have become caricatures of themselves, and character development is mostly a thing of the past.
They've been doing a fair job in recent eps to reduce these insults since we aren't Force-Fed a joke every five seconds anymore and the Turtles are less out-of-character than they were at the beginning of the season. Now, if they could only share that consideration with Splinter... There is still room for improvement since character growth refuses to stick. It's reasonable that the art-style will stay the same as it is now, and thank goodness it's not a chore to look at. The epicness did make it a tad hard for new fans to get into the show, so that's a reasonable change as well. But, ya' can't win 'em all...

Yeah, Raph's character is shown in the ep with "triple threat" or whatever his name is.

But where is Shredder for crying out loud???

Well if you'd ask anyone here, there kind of glad The Utrom is gone for now, as Shredder was too overexposed, I'm not that upset about the lack of Shredder, his origins had become way too convulted anyway

Utrom Shredder: ice asteroid
Karai: likely dead from old age
Tengu Shredder: imprisoned or destroyed in TLS or else Raph wouldn't hate the future so much.

What is your biggest gripe about FF Character wise?

A few complaints i've heard about the characters in fast foward are:

Splinter: not as bad ass as before, and seems to weak and watches to many cheesy soap opras and isn't as involved as before.

Raphael: has lost the maturtiy he has gained in later seasons and is now to much of a hot head again.

Michelangelo: is to over the top and his behavior has become more childish and immature.

Leonardo: To stand offish

Donatello: Not enough of him

These are the sort of complaints that I have heard circlating around from fans on here about what has happened to the TMNT since FF debuted. My questions is, how would you fix these character flaws the turtles now have to give them back their depth of 2k3?

Lets keep in mind though, this cartoons target audience is children. Most childrens toons arent very sophisticated. People have the option of not watching something if they dont like it. If Fast Forward sucks, no one is obligated to tune in. When the ratings drop the people involved with the show will have two options, either try something new or face being booted off the television.

Can we please drop that excuse? Really, after Batman: TAS, and lord knows what else, it's starting to look petty

Batman was purposefully aimed at a much broader and older male audience, they say this in the commentaries. It's also a perfectly legit excuse, ESPECIALLY for FF - you can see how completely different the previous seasons were tonally. Face it Zarius, we are not the ones keeping TMNT alive. If it were just the fanbase too many seem to see as being the ones this show should be catering to, then TMNT2k3 would've been floating belly up after a couple of seasons. Why do you think they make the merchandise they do? So that the 20-30-even 40 somethings can go over to each others houses and play with their action figures?

Sorry to put it that way, but as sick as I'm sure you are of hearing that excuse, that's the way it is.

Simple. Gather as many bricks and ciderblocks as you can. And start hucking them at the higher ups at 4Kids until they agree to can that piece of **** and return the TMNT to their 2K3 glory.

Didn't they say that FF would've happened either way? It was planned to come after the lost season but was brought into production early to accomodate the change in plans, wasn't it?

yes tis true! I just wonder if the plans where to make the show more kid friendly all along though before they scraped the now lost season for this...I wonder if they had the plan to keep fast forward the way the shows been.
I wonder if people would still dislike it so much...me thinks no because it seems many tmnt fans dislike the space related tmnt storys.

I'd say they would've been aware of waning ratings. This is always the problem with good shows... the better and more involving the stories get, the closer it comes to cancellation :-?

I've enjoyed FF tremendously. After getting used to the worse animation, and ignoring "It's Ninja Time," I've been loving the show every week.

Yeah, it's not anywhere near as good as Seasons 1-4, but it's still enjoyable. I love the fact that each episodes continually expands the future, giving us new insight on the new world and everything around it. The two story plots going on now are fairly interesting, and I can't wait to see how they continue to use Bishop.

I even find the out of character remarks to be not as true as they are. Aside from Raph saying Cowabunga, he's no different than he was in the previous seasons. Mikey...is the same. Don is the same, aside from naming his inventions. Leo is no longer the angry turtle he was in Season 4, but he's still very protective of his brothers.

I can see the complaints about Splinter though. There was really no reason he had to come with them to the future.

Making it better
 

In this series, I would like Cody to ask the turtles questions about Casey Jones, and they can do one of those stories like "Tales of Leo." I think a problem with this show is that there is so little character development that you don't really care about the supporting characters, so maybe they can give us a story about someone we really do care about.

I'm pretty sure we'd then start reading complaints about how "Cody centric" that episode would be :roll:

Objection: argumentative! I think that would be an awesome ep. Only people who insist on griping no matter what would have a problem with it. And, I don't mean you since you were referring to other people... right? O_o