Ninja Turtles = Batman
 

Both started as a dark, gritty comic book, then reached massive popularity through cheesy television shows. Both shows are still fondly remembered by fans, but didn't accurately represent the characters and themes of the source material. Both progressed to a darker live-action movie which spawned some awful sequels. Both went on to cartoon series which were widely regarded as the ultimate incarnations of the characters. Well, that last part I'm just speculating about. Here's hoping that the new TMNT cartoon will do for the Turtles what Batman: The Animated Series did for Batman.

I think TMNT is such an original concept and has developed a strong mythology, and will have the staying power of comic institutions such as Batman, Spider-Man and X-Men.

hmmmm
 

hmmm.... could be.

Thats pretty much correct. The 60's and 70's batman cartoons were goofy and campy like the 60's live action show. Batman TAS was a totally diffrent deal. Only thing you are wrong is that Batman returns was darker and better than the original. But after that the same thing happened that happened with TMNT 2 and 3.

It truly seems that like Batman, the TMNT is finally getting back to it's roots.

Well, Bats isn't completely back to his roots... I mean, he doesn't go around shooting people any more...

He did that? I had no idea... Well the new TMNT is going to have a darker feeling close to the Mirage , and the plots are pretty much from there too.

I hope they make a fourth movie about the utrom or mousers or something. And PLEASE get JH to do the costumes again, PLEASE!

What a great comparison, I agree 100%.

But I must disagree with Karpo. I am not a fan of Batman Returns. The '89 Batman is far better.

Well that is pretty much what critics say, and I like it better too. It was even darker than the first one. On Batman forever it went goofy like TMNT 2.

First of all, I can still watch the old TMNT show and enjoy it. It may not be the most hardcore, action-packed experience, but I still love it. It has great humor, lovable characters, and fun adventures. It also still has some of the best cartoon voice work ever. Super Friends, on the other hand, is really painful to watch. And the voices are all really lame. Turtles had aged much better than older DC toons, or even the infamous Batman show from the 60's.

Second, I don't think any of the Turtles sequels are as painful as the worst parts of Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.

Ok, maybe Vanilla Ice was pushing it.

Anyway, my point is that I don't think the Turtles have nearly as much opposition in their return as a Batman movie would have right now.

I think most people have forgotten Vanilla Ice. Few can forget the Bat-nipplage. :o

Ok you apparently like Wolverine. Think about X-men 2 where Wolverine's claws would be taken off, and papa smurf as his main opponent. Also at the end of the movie Michael Jackson siging "Go Wolvie go!" as he is fighting the smurf hordes and making funny one liners.

Imagine that and you will be close to what made TMNT 2 a bad movie.

Thanks for putting me in the right perspective as a real Turtles fan, ya half-witted jackass. :|

Oh, and before anyone says it, the Batdance ruled. :D

Good lord, THAT'S THE NIGHTMARE I WAKE UP OUT OF EVERY FRIGGIN NIGHT!

Hmmm, you may be onto something!

Batman: gritty comic debuted in 1945

TMNT: gritty comic debuted in 1985

Batman: Spawned goofy show that tarnished original vision

TMNT: See above

Batman: Had a brilliant, visionary movie made, that became one of the greatest comic book based films ever.

TMNT: See above

Batman: Had a pretty crappy seqeul, followed by an even more unbarable sequel

TMNT: See above.

Batman: After being seen as a goofy, over saturated property, got revamped back to its dark comic roots with a new moodier cartoon.

TMNT: See above.

Hey, you were right!

I thought Batman Returns was better than the original Batman, but thats just me.

That's the exact comparison I was telling a friend of mine earlier in the week when I was telling him about the new TMNT cartoon. I'm a huge Batman fan and love the animated series and hearing the news that the new TMNT was going to be more adult oriented was very good news. I still love the older cartoon to death but the plots will be much more interesting now.

Yes it is a time of change. And for the better.

*changes into a Batman fan, and then TMNT fan again*
Ah, change!

That pretty much sums it up.

Arsenal what is your problem? There is no need to call Karpo a "half witted jackass" for the above post.

It seems he's a brat, thats why im not going to argue with him. I don't want a flame war here.

I wouldn't bad-mouth a veteran member of the forums like that if I were a newbie like you...

Anyway...

While this isn't the same type of comparison as the topic mentions, I will say how coincidentally similar TMNT and Ghostbusters are:

-Both began in 1984
-Both take place in New York City
-Both have 4 main characters (not to mention the similarity of personalities)
-Both had cartoons that debuted in 1987

And I must include this as well; in terms of the cartoon, I think TMNT ripped off Jeanine (sp) from Ghostbusters with Irma.