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Keldor1578 10-15-2009 09:55 AM

Was the Rat King really a villain in Mirage canon?
 
He only face the turtles one time in Mirage comic, He seem more of mysterious character rather than an actual villain.

Cipher 10-15-2009 12:09 PM

Only in his first issue.

Spitfire 10-15-2009 12:38 PM

They sorta turned him into on in the Tales Volume 2 issue where they made up that stupid origin for him.

TristanHuwJones 10-15-2009 12:55 PM

I'm not so sure that origin is canon. It's not mentioned anywhere in the Universe book...

Tuxedo Moroboshi 10-15-2009 01:12 PM

I'm not sure if calling him a villain really works, but he definitely wasn't an ally, either. I think that's what makes him so interesting, honestly. And you should really check out the City at War arc. The Rat King really shines there, in my opinion.

Aztec General 10-15-2009 02:51 PM

The "origin" was awful. It better not be canon.

CyberCubed 10-15-2009 03:56 PM

Yeah, that origin made more sense for the Archie universe Rat King, not the Mirage one.

I prefer Rat King to just be some maniac who lives with rats...attempting to give him a backstory just ruins him.

BoggleKng 10-15-2009 07:36 PM

love the City at War take...

Spitfire 10-16-2009 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones (Post 726047)
I'm not so sure that origin is canon. It's not mentioned anywhere in the Universe book...

I assumed it was. Everything at this point seems to be or I would imagine so unless stated otherwise. It also makes some connections as to what happened to Splinter after he died.

If it's not in the book I don't know then but I assumed everything coming out now was cannon.

TristanHuwJones 10-16-2009 06:43 AM

There are a few details of stories in Murph's entries to the Universe book that tend to exclude events from stories he wrote (and that, based on the range this Universe book is reaching issue wise, should be in there). A number of stories by Bill Moulage -- in fact, just about everything, seem to have been left out. I'm going to be putting bits and pieces back in where they fit, but we'll see what stands come December I guess!

Keldor1578 10-16-2009 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Clown Prince of Crime (Post 726054)
I'm not sure if calling him a villain really works, but he definitely wasn't an ally, either. I think that's what makes him so interesting, honestly. And you should really check out the City at War arc. The Rat King really shines there, in my opinion.

He actually save Spinter in the City at war arc, by telling him to eat a rat in order to suvive.Even in the old toon The Rat King helped the turtles once.What made him great is that he's a neutral character, Sometimes he a foe or an ally.

Andrew NDB 10-19-2009 03:29 PM

Rat King/The Monster was never a villain... but certainly no hero, either.

Cipher 10-19-2009 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 726762)
Rat King/The Monster was never a villain... but certainly no hero, either.

I don't see in what way he wasn't a villain in "I, Monster." He may be delusional, but he's just a straight up antagonist in that issue with no hint of duality.

Even looking at the end of the issue, I have a niggling suspicion that Mirage intended to set him up as a recurring villain a la Complete Carnage, but never got the chance to use him again until he was re-defined in "City at War."

Dragon Turtle 10-19-2009 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones (Post 726190)
There are a few details of stories in Murph's entries to the Universe book that tend to exclude events from stories he wrote (and that, based on the range this Universe book is reaching issue wise, should be in there). A number of stories by Bill Moulage -- in fact, just about everything, seem to have been left out. I'm going to be putting bits and pieces back in where they fit, but we'll see what stands come December I guess!

About how many characters are covered in the MU book, and is the format similar to Marvels old OHOTMU or like the recent DC Encyclopedia?

Andrew NDB 10-19-2009 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cipher Classic (Post 726791)
I don't see in what way he wasn't a villain in "I, Monster." He may be delusional, but he's just a straight up antagonist in that issue with no hint of duality.

Even looking at the end of the issue, I have a niggling suspicion that Mirage intended to set him up as a recurring villain a la Complete Carnage, but never got the chance to use him again until he was re-defined in "City at War."

From his later appearances we kind of have to apply a layer of duality to his first appearance in Tales.

ToTheNines 02-11-2026 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones (Post 726190)
There are a few details of stories in Murph's entries to the Universe book that tend to exclude events from stories he wrote (and that, based on the range this Universe book is reaching issue wise, should be in there). A number of stories by Bill Moulage -- in fact, just about everything, seem to have been left out. I'm going to be putting bits and pieces back in where they fit, but we'll see what stands come December I guess!

Was Bill Moulage another Murphy pseudonym? The guys only credits are some random TMNT stores and Puma Blues. Plus it seems odd that Murphy would give this guy work but then seemingly single out his contributions and omit them from the sourcebook.

Kinda seems like maybe he used that name when he wasn’t particularly proud of a story.


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