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Index II
Nano, Darkness on the Edge of Town, Meet Casey Jones, Better Mousetrap, [turtle-lingo & vehicles, early character designs]
http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....0-2002-re.html Darkness on the Edge of Town, Attack of the Mousers, Nano, [vehicle/character designs] http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....e-14-2002.html Nano, Things Change, Meet Casey Jones, [Splinter's design] http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-past-584.html [Model sheets], Way of Invisibility http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....002-re-fw.html Way of Invisibility, "Cold Blooded," [mouser/lair designs] http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....y-15-2002.html Nano, Way of Invisibility, Fallen Angel, Garbageman, Cold Blooded http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....2-2002-re.html [Character designs], Garbageman http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....002-re-fw.html Sword of Tengu notes, Things Change http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....8-2002-re.html Nano, Garbageman, Shredder Strikes, [character designs] http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-past-590.html Guardians, Turtle Titan, Notes from the Underground http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-past-591.html Notes from the Underground, Shredder Strikes http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....8-2002-re.html Turtle Titan, Shredder Strikes, Notes from the Underground, The King, Shredder Strikes Back, Fallen Angel http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....3-2002-re.html Main title, Kirby, Notes from the Underground, Tales of Leo, [Behind the Scenes footage] http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-past-594.html Shredder Strikes Back, The King, Notes from the Underground, Monster Hunter, etc. http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-10-2002.html Foot Mystics, The King, Unconvincing Turtle Titan, Shredder Strikes Back, Tales of Leo, Search for Splinter http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....3-2002-re.html Search for Splinter, Monster Hunter, etc.: http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....7-2002-re.html pre-teenage turtles (designs), Meet Casey Jones (designs), Return to New York, etc.: http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-12-2002.html Search for Splinter, Lone Raph and Cub, Monster Hunter, Nano's design, Return to New York http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....8-2002-re.html Return to New York, Lone Raph and Cub http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....7-2002-re.html Return to New York, Search for Splinter http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....er-3-2002.html [Utrom council designs], Search for Splinter http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....0-2002-re.html [TCRI building designs], Attack of the Mousers http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....0-2003-re.html Meet Casey Jones, Nano http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....11-200-re.html Season 2, Turtles in Space, Usagi Yojimbo http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....y-21-2003.html Turtles in Space, Fugitoid design http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-past-606.html Turtles in Space, Fugitoid design http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....h-23-2003.html Turtles in Space http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....1-2003-re.html The Arena, Triceraton Wars http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....5-2003-re.html Secret Origins http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....l-11-2003.html Secret Origins, Design of Ch'rell, April as a reporter? continuity with Dreamwave comic http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....2-2003-re.html Stan Sakai/Usagi Yojimbo + Episodes 36 (Reflections) - 52 (Big Brawl) http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-2003-hey.html Kirby + Secret Origins, Turtles in Space, Reflections, Return of Nano, Return to the Underground http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....3-re-show.html Secret Origins, Trouble with Triceratons, Ultimate Ninja, Return of Nano http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....003-re-fw.html Sword of Tengu + The Big House, Return to the Underground, Reflections http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....y-26-2003.html Secret Origins + Ch'rell design http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....7-2003-re.html Return to the Underground, Ultimate Ninja, What a Croc http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-past-617.html The King, Return of Nano http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....2003-king.html Return of Nano, Ultimate Ninja http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....5-2003-re.html Prime Leader Zanramon + City at War, Return to the Underground http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....8-2003-ep.html |
Talkback: Laird's 2k3 development notes!
I figured it's a pretty big deal that Peter Laird is finally making public the nature of his input on the 2k3 episodes on his blog (email correspondence with Lloyd Goldfine), so why not devote a thread to it so the fans can offer their opinions on what might have been, what actually was, and could it have been either better or worse?
Here is the Index, (so far): Rogue in the House (Part 1 & 2) http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html Reflections-Big Brawl IV http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html The King (possible origin of the multiple endings!) http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html Nightmares Recycled THE BANNED EPISODE!!! http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html Hunted, Touch and Go, Nobody's Fool, Survivalist Skills/H.A.T.E. http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html Episode #100: Tale of Master Yoshi http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....ore-notes.html Ultimate Drako concept http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....o-designs.html On Shredder being an Utrom: http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....m-designs.html The Darkness Within http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....velopment.html Junklantis, April's Artifact, Rogue in the House Pt.1&2 http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html On Bishop's character history and motivation: http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html Nobody's Fool, The Lesson, The Entity Below, and the final (yeah, right!) fate of the Shredder! http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html Mission of Gravity http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html New Blood and references to Secret Origins Part 3 http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html The Lesson, The Darkness Within, The Entity Below http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....2004-more.html The proposed "TMNT: Overload" series (June 28, 2007) http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-overload.html The Lesson http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html The Entity Below and Mission of Gravity http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....otes-from.html The Lesson http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....b-16-2004.html The Darkness Within (2nd draft) http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....b-23-2004.html Time Travails http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....6-2004-re.html Reality Check http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....004-ep-71.html Same as It Never Was (1st draft) http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....4-re-tmnt.html Across the Universe + The Real World http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....4-re-tmnt.html Across the Universe 1st draft http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....4-re-tmnt.html Bishop's Gambit http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....4-re-tmnt.html Bishop's Gambit, Reality Check (SuperTurtles designs) and thoughts on the Fred Wolf series: http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....3-2004-re.html Reality Check (more SuperTurtles concepts) + The Real World http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-comments.html Same as It Never Was 1st Draft (with creepy Hun/Baxter hybrid art!) http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....4-re-tmnt.html "Planet Racers, "Bishop's Gambit," and "The Real World" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-re-ep-72.html "Same as It Never Was" final draft http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-14-2004.html Bishop's Gambit (Episode 76) http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-on-ep-76.html The Real World + Character designs for "Same As It Never Was" and "Reality Check" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....5-2004-72.html Exodus Parts 1-2 http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....1-2004-re.html Exodus Pt.1 (first draft), Pt. 2(outline) http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....004-re-ep.html Season 4 overview http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....2004-tmnt.html Exodus I (3rd Draft) & Exodus II (1st Draft) http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....77-exodus.html Exodus I (3rd Draft), May 15, 2004 http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....004-re-ep.html Exodus I (3rd Draft), May 17, 2004 http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....004-re-ep.html Season 4 http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....7-2004-re.html On the feasibility of Shredder's spaceship launch in "Exodus": http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-past-305.html Exodus II (final draft) + "Sons of the Silent Age" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....004-re-ep.html "Cousin Sid" + "The People's Choice" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....4-re-tmnt.html Laird on "sub-branding" the series: http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-branding.html "Dragon's Brew" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....5-2004-re.html "The People's Choice" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....22-200-re.html "I, Monster" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....25-200-re.html Sons of the Silent Age http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....mments-on.html Wing and a Prayer http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....ly-2-2004.html I, Monster http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....4-re-tmnt.html Grudge Match http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....004-first.html Wing and a Prayer, Bad Day, Aliens Among Us, Dragons Rising, Rat King's origins http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....004-notes.html Grudge Match 2nd draft, Wing and a Prayer 1st draft http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....004-ep-84.html Wing and a Prayer 2nd draft http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....tes-on-ep.html Still Nobody + Wing and a Prayer final draft http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....004-re-fw.html Aliens Among Us, Samurai Tourist, The Ancient One http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....st-3-2004.html Bad Day-The Ninja Tribunal http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....st-5-2004.html Dragon's Rising-Scion of the Shredder http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....3-2004-re.html Prodigal Son http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....9-2004-ep.html All Hallows Thieves-Samurai Tourist http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-90-first.html Outbreak http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....2-2004-re.html Samurai Tourist + Prodigal Son http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....er-7-2004.html The Ancient One http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....er-8-2004.html The Trouble with Augie http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....n-premise.html Outbreak + Insane in the Membrane http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-12-2004.html The Ancient One + Insane in the Membrane http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-16-2004.html Prodigal Son + Trouble with Augie http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-past-330.html Insane in the Membrane + Return of Savanti http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-24-2004.html Prodigal Son http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-28-2004.html Trouble with Augie + Insane in the Membrane http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-29-2004.html Index continued in next post. |
Index II
Outbreak
http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-30-2004.html Adventures in Turtle Sitting http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....er-1-2004.html "Prodigal Son" + Unproduced Justice Force episode http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....3-2004-re.html [Unknown "episode 91"] + "The Trouble with Augie" + "Return of Savanti Romero II" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....er-4-2004.html "Return of Savanti Romero I" + "Adventures in Turtle Sitting" + "A Tale of Master Yoshi" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-past-339.html Insane in the Membrane http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-16-2004.html "A Tale of Master Yoshi" + "Return of Savanti Romero I" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-19-2004.html Insane in the Membrane (2nd Draft) http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-27-2004.html "Return of Savanti II" + "A Tale of Master Yoshi" + "Good Genes I-II" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....er-2-2004.html "Return of Savanti II" 2nd Draft + Season 5 http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-past-344.html "Good Genes I-II" + "Ninja Tribunal" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-12-2004.html "A Tale of Master Yoshi" 2nd Draft http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-17-2004.html "Good Genes I" + "Ninja Tribunal" + "Adventures in Turtle Sitting" 2nd Draft http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-23-2004.html "Good Genes I" + "Ninja Tribunal" 1st Draft http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....er-7-2004.html "Good Genes II" final draft + "Ninja Tribunal" 2nd Draft http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-13-2004.html "Lap of the Gods" + "Demons and Dragons" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....1-2004-re.html "Ninja Tribunal" designs + "Lap of the Gods" + "Legend of the Five Dragons" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....6-2005-re.html Prodigal Son (Splinter's new walking stick design) + Demons and Dragons + Beginning of the End http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....8-2005-re.html Nightmares Recycled http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....or-ep-110.html "Nightmares Recycled" + "More Worlds Than One" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....y-31-2005.html "Beginning of the End" + "Legend of the Five Dragons" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....ry-3-2005.html Laird's future plans: http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....this-blog.html "Membership Drive" + "New World Order" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....7-2005-re.html "Nightmares Recycled" 1st Draft http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....y-11-2005.html "Membership Drive" + "New World Order pt.II" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....8-2005-re.html "Nightmares Recycled" 3rd Draft http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....y-26-2005.html "Membership Drive" + "Fathers and Sons" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....2-2005-re.html Fathers and Sons http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....05-re-114.html "New World Order" I-II http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....h-12-2005.html New World Order + Past and Present + Enter the Dragons http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....8-2005-re.html Fathers and Sons + Past and Present http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....22-200-re.html Past and Present + Enter the Dragons I-II http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....0-2005-re.html Season 4 intro http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....2-2005-re.html "Punching Bag"(s) + Season 6 http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....2-2005-re.html Shorts: "Ice Scream" + "Faster" + "Free Comic Day" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....5-2005-re.html Fast Forward "Bible" http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....3-2005-re.html Future Shellshock http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....4-2005-re.html Sh’okaNabo http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....8-2005-re.html FF redesigns http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....05-re-new.html Future Shellshock http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....005-re-fw.html Home Invasion + Headlock Prime http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....y-26-2005.html Obsolete http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....8-2005-re.html Concept models + Future Shellshock http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-past-478.html Home Invasion http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....005-re-fw.html Future Shellshock 2nd draft + Home Invasion http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....3-2005-re.html Headlock Prime + Playtime's Over + Future Shellshock 3rd draft http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-thursday.html FF Revised Designs http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....d-designs.html Obsolete 1st Draft http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....9-2005-re.html Obsolete 2nd Draft http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....1-2005-re.html Playtime's Over + Obsolete http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....2-2005-re.html Home Invasion http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....4-2005-re.html Home Invasion, Night of Sh'Okanabo, Clash of the Turtle Titans, Bishop to Knight http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....t-17-2005.html Home Invasion + Headlock Prime http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....t-18-2005.html Serling designs http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....9-2005-re.html Season 6 design, Headlock Prime, Clash of the Turtle Titans http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....23-200-re.html Night of Sh'Okanabo http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....0-2005-re.html Playtime's Over, Bishop to Knight http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....1-2005-re.html Clash of the Turtle Titans http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....4-2005-re.html Bishop to Knight http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-past-494.html Bishop to Knight, Bad Blood http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....9-2005-re.html Invasion of the Body Snatcher, Night of Sh'Okanabo, Clash of the Turtle Titans http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-14-2005.html Space Usagi + Clash of the Turtle Titans, The Freaks Come Out at Night, Bad Blood http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-15-2005.html Fly Me to the Moon, Gaminator, Invasion of the Body Snatcher http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-23-2005.html Freaks Come Out at Night, Gaminator, The Journal http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....3-2005-re.html Freaks Come Out at Night http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....7-2005-re.html The Journal + [new premises, nanobots] http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....9-2005-re.html Graduation Day + [episode micro-springs] http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....3-2005-re.html The Journal + Graduation Day http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....3-2005-re.html Gaminator http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....gaminator.html Timing is Everything + Milk Run http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....r-10-2005.html Enter the Jammerhead http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....-past-511.html |
This is the only input he had on the show? That is not as much as I thought.
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So they wanted Nano to originally have stayed with the Turtles? Yeah, I don't like that idea either.
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Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you, Mr. Laird! Thank you! I went back and watched "The Ultimate Ninja" today since the email exchange suggests the original pitch was substantially different. Laird even complains about why the Ninja kidnapped April, evidently concerned it was getting too similar to the Old Toon! |
I love this stuff, thanks for posting. It's like watching thoughts in bloom. I found myself agreeing with Peter Laird's suggestions, but others would have been interesting to see (only because it be like seeing a new episode, though:cry:). Putting Usagi in the Battle Nexus = brilliant.
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This is quite the insight. Thank you for posting this.
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Episode index has been updated with three more posts from Laird's blog! And, boy, is it a doozie! The banned episode, "Nightmares Recycled" unveiled (in fragments) at last!
Episode #110: "Nightmares Recycled" THE BANNED EPISODE!!! (February 11, 2005) Episodes #60-63 (January 13, 2004) Episode #100: "Tale of Master Yoshi" (November 17, 2004) |
Pete's... kind of a dick lol. I mean, the writers make some dumb spelling/grammar mistakes considering they write for a living, but the guy is really harsh haha
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I wonder if Pete was as involved with the FF and BTTS scripts.
With the way he's ripping apart the writers on these Seasons 1-4 episodes, I wonder why some of the dialogue or actions passed in FF/BTTS that he didn't allow back here. |
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Just looked through the notes on "Tales of Master Yoshi." I'm actually really surprised how involved he was the scripts, and how many logical and subtle character nuances he told them to add. Where are these kinds of dialogue and pacing choices in his Volume 4 work? (I actually love the premises in Volume 4, but not Laird's actual scripting.) |
Its very interesting !Thanks for post it! :tgrin:
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Wow, what an annoying asshole that guy can be.
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While I find this VERY interesting and I understand completely that he wanted to protect his creation, did he have to be so condescending with the writers?
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Writing's a tough gig. If you're going to cry when someone rips through your poorly written children's cartoon scripts, there are a dozen people behind you who won't. He was polite with Lloyd Goldfine at least, because Lloyd was putting in all the effort he could to create the best product possible. |
guess Laird still had issues from the OT, and wanted to keep things his way
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Hey, at least Pete gave them honest and valid pointers, other head writers (like Russel T. Davies) would have rewritten all the scripts themselves with their own ideas and not touch the scripts of people they were friends with
Besides, anyone who ever pointlessly b*thced at Laird in the comic letters pages ought to know he takes things personally |
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