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Refractive Reflections 06-06-2013 03:43 AM

Which moments did the OT subtly deal/discuss about ACTUAL death?
 
With the OT, most to everyone would agree it's the lightest cartoon version of the TMNT, but after watching a few episodes I noticed that in some of the dialogue, the characters (minor or villian though) had dealt with death. Here are some examples:

"Shreeka's Revenge" - Shreeka becomes upset with Krang and has a punishment "worse than death" by returning Bebop and Rocksteady to Krang. So she must have been familiar with killing others then... I guess...? :-?

"Night of the Rogues" - Krang's executioner from Dimension X. Therefore, he must have killed prisoners or enemies within Dimension X.

"Poor Little Rich Turtle" - Buffy Shellhammer's grandfather passing away and giving her the formula for an explosive.

So besides these examples, are there any other occurrences in which the dialogue or backstories may have suggested/implied that any of the OT characters had experienced death? It's actually interesting that the OT wasn't completely free from dealing with the issue, but of course these moments were so insignificant/unnoticeable to the overall light tone of the series.

ObiWanFan4life 06-06-2013 04:06 AM

Return of the Fly: Baxter Stockman gets pushed into the portal to Dimension X, Which we can infer was where he met his Demise.

Candy Kappa 06-06-2013 05:01 AM

Yoshi was framed for murder attempt on the Grandmaster of the Foot

CyberCubed 06-06-2013 07:32 AM

The guy who invented the super formula for the Maltese Hamster died after he created it.

oldmanwinters 06-06-2013 07:36 AM

In Enter the Fly, we had Krang throwing Baxter into an incineration chamber (which had unexpected results) and also Shredder looking to poison fatally April O'Neil. That scene with Splinter tending to an unconscious April with the turtles looking on with sadness was actually one of the more poignant moments of the series.

TurtleTitan97 06-06-2013 11:11 AM

That alien the turtles rescued in "The Incredible Shrinking Turtles" who just disappeared before them

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 06-06-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JYX (Post 1107828)
With the OT, most to everyone would agree it's the lightest cartoon version of the TMNT, but after watching a few episodes I noticed that in some of the dialogue, the characters (minor or villian though) had dealt with death. Here are some examples:

"Shreeka's Revenge" - Shreeka becomes upset with Krang and has a punishment "worse than death" by returning Bebop and Rocksteady to Krang. So she must have been familiar with killing others then... I guess...? :-?

"Night of the Rogues" - Krang's executioner from Dimension X. Therefore, he must have killed prisoners or enemies within Dimension X.

"Poor Little Rich Turtle" - Buffy Shellhammer's grandfather passing away and giving her the formula for an explosive.

So besides these examples, are there any other occurrences in which the dialogue or backstories may have suggested/implied that any of the OT characters had experienced death? It's actually interesting that the OT wasn't completely free from dealing with the issue, but of course these moments were so insignificant/unnoticeable to the overall light tone of the series.

You forgot Raphael Meets Hs Match. And you can say any situation when someone's in danger, accident or in fight, is dealing with death in some ways.

miru 06-06-2013 11:52 AM

In Divide and Conquer, Lord Dregg was sent to dimension X holding Krang's Android body, which was about to explode.

Icebot 06-06-2013 02:05 PM

In State of Shock, that colonel Wesley Night mentioned that Alex Winter made the ultimate sacrafice for his country, later finding out he was wrong.

Wasn't High Tech launched into space to die in The Return of Dregg?

DonatelloNinja82 06-06-2013 03:16 PM

How about Donatello's Duplicate...the clones were technically alive...so when the clone machine was thrown into reverse and they all "disappeared"...couldnt that be considered a death in a way?

CyberCubed 06-06-2013 03:19 PM

I'm pretty sure the Mobster from Dimension X killed that one gangster he slimed.

Refractive Reflections 06-07-2013 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters (Post 1107860)
In Enter the Fly, we had Krang throwing Baxter into an incineration chamber (which had unexpected results) and also Shredder looking to poison fatally April O'Neil. That scene with Splinter tending to an unconscious April with the turtles looking on with sadness was actually one of the more poignant moments of the series.

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan (Post 1107914)
And you can say any situation when someone's in danger, accident or in fight, is dealing with death in some ways.

Well yeah...:ohwell: any fight or perilous situation can be life-threatening, but I'm focusing more about the subtext of a character that has experienced a close one or witnessed actual death, and whoever they witnessed doesn't exist anymore. In other words, the finality of death, and not being rescued at the last second from it whether it was from luck or heroics. Sorry to everyone if I didn't convey that properly. :(

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Originally Posted by miru (Post 1107925)
In Divide and Conquer, Lord Dregg was sent to dimension X holding Krang's Android body, which was about to explode.

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Originally Posted by ObiWanFan4life (Post 1107830)
Return of the Fly: Baxter Stockman gets pushed into the portal to Dimension X, Which we can infer was where he met his Demise.

Yeah, but those were a bit too ambiguous. They both are more of a loose story end, and their lives could be spared at the last minute rather than anything in the show supporting/hinting of an actual death. (Am I kinda making sense?... Sorry if I'm not. :()

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1108041)
I'm pretty sure the Mobster from Dimension X killed that one gangster he slimed.

Wasn't he just simply "vacuumed up" and not actually dead? :-? I dunna know... :ohwell:

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1107859)
The guy who invented the super formula for the Maltese Hamster died after he created it.

This is more in line of what I was asking and thinking about. The "finality" of death, and not perilous situations or ambiguous story endings of a villain's demise.

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Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97 (Post 1107912)
That alien the turtles rescued in "The Incredible Shrinking Turtles" who just disappeared before them

That could work too I guess, even though the death associated words/phrases weren't used. Were they?

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Originally Posted by Icebot (Post 1107996)
In State of Shock, that colonel Wesley Night mentioned that Alex Winter made the ultimate sacrafice for his country, later finding out he was wrong.

That's a good example too because a character experienced the "finality" of death, even though it was later mistaken.

This might be an iffy one, but in "Get Shredder!" the Turtle believing the Channel 6 news crew was killed in the explosion. I mean there's a momentary period of realization with Michelangelo when he says, "But what about April and Irma, and even Vernon? We'll never see 'em again..." (I consider it iffy because on one hand, the Turtles are experiencing the finality of death, but on the other hand the experience was so brief and the crew was saved by heroics/luck.)

IcyKali 06-07-2013 06:19 PM

Wasn't there some silly episode where Raphael thinks he has a terminal illness?

DonatelloNinja82 06-07-2013 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyKali (Post 1108713)
Wasn't there some silly episode where Raphael thinks he has a terminal illness?

Raphael vs the Volcano.

Type 97 Chi-ha 06-07-2013 08:07 PM

"Bye, Bye, Fly"-Baxter Stockman got caught in a spider web and a spider approaches him as he screams in terror. (Perhaps he was originally intended to be killed off at that moment.)

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 06-08-2013 08:32 AM

April almost ending up killed by the fire in the first Bugman episode.

oldmanwinters 06-08-2013 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan (Post 1108941)
April almost ending up killed by the fire in the first Bugman episode.

Yep, having a twisted ankle and then burning to death is a rotten way to go!

cammy85 06-08-2013 11:27 AM

I don't think they mean death traps.

Season 2 had a few instances where Shredder was possibly killed. Curse Of The Evil Eye had him disappear after the eye exploded and the Technodrome sank into the lava with a hole in the hull at the end of the season, signifying the possible end of their plans.

DonatelloNinja82 06-08-2013 12:23 PM

The aliens getting absorbed into Dregg's exosuit in Divide and Conquer.

InsaneZane 06-08-2013 12:39 PM

i always kind of felt like Leonardo, Donatello and Raphael died temporarily when they turned into giant, lifeless balloons in "Michelangelo's Birthday"


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