How do you feel about the 2012 Splinter/Shredder rivalry?
 

To me it's the best version of the rivalry. To me it just seems really emotional and tense like it should. I never really got that from the OT or the 03 toon. And their whole scene in the finale just really flowed well.

Yeah, I really like it as well.

The best.

And they added Karai/Miwa twist in it and things get a little more complex and complicated.

I love it.

Season finale nailed it.

I loved how they not only made Splinter fight like a ninja, but also fight like a rat.

favorite shredder-splinter rivalry yet, especially like it since splinter started out human, unlike 2k3, so the rivalry has more history.

and this splinter is just awesome, loved the rat-ninja fighting

Really well done really feel for Splinter hearing his daughter say father to Shredder heartbreaking.

This is the best interpretation of the rivalry yet, and it makes more sense for Splinter to be human. Adding Tang Shen and Miwa into the mix really intensified it, especially when Shredder accused Splinter of stealing Shen from him and then gloated that he took Splinter's daughter. That was powerful, especially with the flashbacks.

The 1987 show and Archie were all about the Foot Clan leadership.

This had the original Mirage love triangle, and some new plots dealing with family relationships. Another TMNT aspect: A soap opera taking palce in the shadows! :)

Awesome, this series handled it right,

Pretty cool, kinda reminds me to what happened in IDW about a year ago, when the Foot abducted Splinter to join them, but they ended up Splinter trashing the whole clan all by himself. (well except Shredder)

Also, there are things I don't like about this Nick cartoon, but they definitely got Splinter right, he is no more a 'Mr. Miyagi' type of character as he was in OT and 4kids. This is definitely the best animated version of him so far.

Shredder killed Hamato Yoshi in 2k3, I'd say the rivalry was just as bitter there.

The rivarly is slightly lacking
 

The Shredder Splinter rivalry in this series seems to me an afterthought. The reason being is that we did not have any episodes focus on splinters' past and history with the shredder. If Shredder knew the turtles lived in the sewer why did he not make this a top priority to finally get splinter and his turtles. It just feels that the shows' first season was trying to accomplish too much and splinter kind of got lost by the wayside, to focus more on the kraang.

It just seems the fight(during the season finale) between the two was lacking in weight, because we did not get any on-screen history, or story points until the last minute. It is tough to care about a certain character if we don't know enough about him beforehand.

I must also add that splinters character depth and growth could have been expanded upon to strengthen the relationships with his sons. Hopefully we will get slightly more shredder and splinter moments in season 2.:tsmile:

I loved it. They're doing their own thing with it and doing it right. I'm still a sucker for the original hatred Splinter had in Mirage, but this is great, too. Hope they expand on it quickly.

He obviously just found out recently since Kirby was just brainwashed recently as well...

Seriously? I think many will agree that that was one of the best fights in the series so far. We got Flashbacks throughout it, so I don't know what you mean by "on screen history"....and we know plenty about the characters already..

Seriously? This is probably the most fatherly Splinter we've seen...and this is only the first season.

I apologize for the misunderstanding, but the flashbacks came to late IMO. There should have been more buildup to the Shredder and Splinters fight. The fight itself was cool, in that the moves were awesome. I meant the reasoning behind the fighting itself. It is like the writers forget to give them a reason to fight each other.

Me thinks you've forgotten most of the season. The build up is there.

Kinda like the multiple training sequences.

I think it's great, but it does need a little more focus in the series, I think.

By far my favorite. I just love how personal it gets. And Shredder revealing the truth about Karai. A lot of us saw it coming a mile a way... but just seeing it hit Splinter like a sack of bricks, seeing the emotion impact it created... and all the while, Shredder looking on with satisfaction as he watches Splinter's own daughter curse his name... I didn't think the reveal would hit so hard, but... this is Shredder at his worst. Yeah, other incarnations have gone to extremes, even to the point of wiping out all existence, but for me what Shredder's doe do Splinter and Karai is heartless and sick. Not only is this his way of getting back as Splinter, but this is the only way he could ever gain love from Tang Shen, in a twisted sense.

It's by far the best variation on their relationship. Yoshi turning into Splinter carries much more weight and history between the two than Yoshi's pet rat ever could. Especially when you add-in the whole Karai situation.