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victory_angel 08-31-2013 01:28 AM

Is Karai redeemable?
 
Now that we know Karai truly was Miwa is it possible that she could be redeemed later in this series?

We don't know much about what her life with the Shredder has been all these years, other then the fact that she had been raised with the belief that Splinter murdered her mother. And there has some hinting that Shredder was an abusive parent, who also spoiled her rotten at times as well.

Personally I believe it is possible she may be redeemable and may begin to realize that the Shredder has lied to her all these years. However I believed that she is too damaged to be sweet and innocent Miwa ever again. And part of her may still harbor an ingrained hatred for Splinter even if she does learn that he was not the one who murdered her mother.

Powder 08-31-2013 01:56 AM

Given the way this series works, it's not like she's killed anybody. She's quite clearly not pure evil, so I'm sure that possibility is a strong one.

DarkLightDragon 08-31-2013 06:10 AM

I think the bigger question is not if she's redeemable, but rather what will happen to her when she's fully convinced on the truth.

Shark_Blade 08-31-2013 07:02 AM

I think she will accept the truth, but she will not stick around with Splinter nor Shredder. She will be on her own free will, away from it all. Not taking sides.

CyberCubed 08-31-2013 08:59 AM

They'll drag it out over the course of the show like 4kids Karai.

miru 08-31-2013 10:13 AM

It's incredibly blatant she'll be redeemed. Lets see the facts.

*She's the only normal looking character on the side of the foot (not counting the PDs). The rest are all hideously deformed and freakish, and the one who isn't is always in a mech and will become a fly. Shredder has a badly burned face, Dogpound is asymmetrical and sinewy, Fishface lacks legs and has horrible dentition, and the Foot Soldiers have covered faces.
*She flirted with one of the turtles. If a villainess romantically interacts with heroes, that's a pretty quick path to redemption.
*She does not have a toy yet, and the toys alligeances reflect their final one. For example, Leatherhead was advertised as evil, but became good and was listed as such on his toy. Odds are they are waiting for her to become good to make the toy.
* She's the sole girl in an evil group. The female is the most likely to go good as opposed to anyone else (Pretty Bomber in Bomberman, most female power ranger baddies (even RITA REPULSA herself), etc)
* And lastly, she's Miwa, Splinter's daughter.

Donatello19 08-31-2013 11:05 AM

I think she'll be a stand alone villain eventually. Once she finds out the truth, she'll probably hate Shredder for lying to her, and hate Splinter for never coming to get her back.

snake 08-31-2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Donatello19 (Post 1150290)
I think she'll be a stand alone villain eventually. Once she finds out the truth, she'll probably hate Shredder for lying to her, and hate Splinter for never coming to get her back.

Probably this. But hopefully she takes a few episodes to make her choice.

drgon78 08-31-2013 12:40 PM

I think she will if/when she finds out the truth and believes it to be true.

Knight_man 08-31-2013 01:42 PM

Since the show has three guaranteed seasons. I would say currently the plan would be reveal about 1/2 to 3/4 of way through second season. Then have her renounce Shredder at end of second season. Third season will be more about her fight to accept her new path and what she must do about it.

snake 08-31-2013 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Knight_man (Post 1150369)
Since the show has three guaranteed seasons. I would say currently the plan would be reveal about 1/2 to 3/4 of way through second season. Then have her renounce Shredder at end of second season. Third season will be more about her fight to accept her new path and what she must do about it.

Then in four she causes a giant war between the foot and turtles.

Powder 08-31-2013 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Donatello19 (Post 1150290)
I think she'll be a stand alone villain eventually. Once she finds out the truth, she'll probably hate Shredder for lying to her, and hate Splinter for never coming to get her back.

A rogue/anti-hero Karai would be really interesting. I like this idea.

Allio 08-31-2013 03:16 PM

My hope is that Karai knows Splinter is her real father, but the lie Shredder told her was that Yoshi killed her mother, his wife, and that he was goingto kill her if it wasn't for him

ninja-zero 08-31-2013 03:59 PM

Well remember that old episode in 1987 "Splinter no More"?

Maybe Splinter could ask Mr. O'Neil if he can make a formula to make himself human again and find Karai.

Splinter/Yoshi tries to hide his true identity from her to convince Karai that Saki/Shredder isn't her real father. Maybe give a copy of his family picture to her in case "time runs out" for him to return to his rat state again.

pingclang 08-31-2013 04:08 PM

I think she's redeemable, but I hope it doesn't happen. Karai`s personality is all about mischief so I see her accepting the truth and pretty much vowing to take Shredder out herself, with or without the aid of the Turtles. If that's the case, once Shredder is out of the picture, I see her fading away a while to sort of find herself and ending up doing her own thing. No matter what, I think we're in for a really good Karai story.

BubblyShell22 08-31-2013 04:42 PM

I think she can be redeemed at some point, but the question will be when she will come to that state? It may take her some time to accept the truth, and while she's figuring out who she is, I can see her going away on her own to try and find herself.

DonatelloNinja82 09-01-2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ninja-zero (Post 1150428)
Well remember that old episode in 1987 "Splinter no More"?

Maybe Splinter could ask Mr. O'Neil if he can make a formula to make himself human again and find Karai.

Splinter/Yoshi tries to hide his true identity from her to convince Karai that Saki/Shredder isn't her real father. Maybe give a copy of his family picture to her in case "time runs out" for him to return to his rat state again.

Kirby is a psychologist. If they were going to make a formula, I think it would more be Donnie to do that.

Anyways, I could see this becoming a "nature vs. nurture" thing. Is she going to remain "evil" b/c she was raised that way, or will her "good" genes prevail? I think that the second season will have her finding out the truth at some point, and then the finale having something happen where she needs to make a choice. Maybe some event where she has to choose between Splinter and Shredder. I know she will have a difficult time dealing with all this. I dont see her taking sides right away. I agree with some that she may be angry with Shredder for lying to her, and angry with Splinter for not coming to look for her. That does have me wondering. Why DID Splinter think she was dead? Did he think that her body was so horribly burned in the fire that it could not be found?

Metalwolf 09-01-2013 07:37 PM

If she was burned up, I think didn't want to see her in that state as it would be something he would never be able to get out of his mind. Charred bodies do not tend to look nice. Plus the smell...isn't something you'd want to associate with humans. It's basically cooked meat.

So no, I could understand him not wanting to look in the building after the fire. It would have been too much.

DonatelloNinja82 09-01-2013 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Metalwolf (Post 1150856)
If she was burned up, I think didn't want to see her in that state as it would be something he would never be able to get out of his mind. Charred bodies do not tend to look nice. Plus the smell...isn't something you'd want to associate with humans. It's basically cooked meat.

So no, I could understand him not wanting to look in the building after the fire. It would have been too much.

Maybe...but I think he would have wanted to look to give them a proper burial? I am not up on Japanese burial rituals, so I cannot say for sure.

BubblyShell22 09-02-2013 06:57 AM

I don't think there was time. The fire was spreading, and I think Splinter just wanted to get out of there before he died himself. Even though he never found Miwa's body, he just assumed she was lost as well.


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