Tokka & Rahzar as babies?
 

This popped into my head lastnight at work as we've seen other mutants as toddlers such as the turtles and they looked like little kids.
So in TMNT 2 Shredder calls Tokka & Rahzar babies right?
So do you think if they didn't get demutated that they would of kept growing larger?
Just something to think about as it seems odd for them to be babies at that size.

Perry mentioned he tainted the mutagen before giving it to Tokka and Rahzar, so maybe they weren't literally babies.
They may have just been mentally inferior and Shredder was overreacting

yeah, i think perry accelerated their physical growth, but their mental growth did not follow suit.

Ah ok, I had this image of hulking second stage mutation Tokka & Rahzar and was like :o
I think that would of been a lot cooler than Super Shredder but that's just me.

That's how I always seen it too. But grown up Tokka and Rahzar would've been mayhem!

Perry said in the film he negated their intellect during mutation.

It makes sense even without Perry messing with the Mutagen. Shredder didn't have 15 years to wait around until the mutants reach the same maturity that the Turtles have. Considering the Turtles had a childhood in the first movie, they must have overdosed the ooze to make them reach full growth so quickly.

exactly what i was thinking. The Turtles grew up and Tokka and Rahzar just got big and strong

He says he messed with the mutagen to make them dumb, but the idea was the fact that the foot ninjas didn't know the ages and relative intelligence that a turtle and wolf would have.

Can you tell how old a dog is by looking at it, some dogs grow faster and even though they are large aren't adults.

Just because they are large doesn't necessarily mean they would keep growing, they could have been mutated to full size and just not have had developed brains, aside from that they would have to have learned English anyways.

Also, it's sad that those were the 2 most dangerous animals they could find (I know it's becasue that's what they designed)there is a Zoo in New York right?

I'm saying in real life if they couldn't break into a Zoo what kind of ninjas are they?

Wasn't the tainting of the ooze to do with them reversing the mutations using the fire extinguishers, rather than altering their intellect? I always thought they only had the mental age of 2/3 year olds.

Perry mentions it before that he tainted it at some point i just cant remember the exact moment

Yeah, I actually always thought that moment was when you saw him reach and turn a valve and then looking around before sticking the tubes in to cover them with ooze

see as a kid i always noticed the ooze he pours on Tokka and Rahzar was pink ish and not green so i figured something was off

I will have a re watch over the next few days and take particular note. I swear Perry and Donnie have a short conversation in the club about how when he tainted the ooze it allowed for co2 to retard the mutation. Hmmmm

he mentions it before though....when he is making the anti mutagen in the sewer prior to pepperoni heaven talking to Leo and Mikey.

http://youtu.be/fht9WHU8mKs?t=1h3m47s

with Donnie he is talking about needing co2 to give the anti mutagen a jump start because their burping is counter attacking the affects

http://youtu.be/fht9WHU8mKs?t=1h10m58s

Even if their mental growth did accelerate with the mutagen, it doesn't mean they would instantly be able to solve complex mathematical problems or even speak full sentences right away. They'd still have to learn these things, like anyone else. It would almost be more challenging for the Turtles if Tokka and Rahzar gradually got smarter and smarter throughout the film.

I think they would've grown to be bigger. Too bad they didn't visit that idea in the OT.

All I ever noticed was that whomever wrote the script did NOT know much about wolves OR snapping turtles. When they are de-mutated, they revert back to their original forms- which most definitely are NOT babies. The wolf "pup" was nearly half-grown (at least six months at that size) and the snapper would have been a FULLY MATURE ADULT! (I say this after having been less than a foot from one once in my grandmother's yard- it was the same size- and that was an adult. I also believe the one in her yard was a female getting ready to dig a nest an lay her eggs.)

Also, I'd agree that whatever Professor Perry did to the mutagen during that moment when he's pouring it on them, must have "retarded" their mental growth in some way. So they may have been "babies" intellectually, but they were certainly full-size physically!

It doesn't matter how big something is it doesn't make it older, size can be determined by genetics, diet and enviroment.

Just because an animal looks bigger doesn't make it older.

Perry gave steroids to babies. Shame on him. Also animal testing.:lol: