Timothy/Pulverizer/Mutagen Man- a lost cause?
 

Judging by the recent episodes that involve Timothy, do you think that Donnie should give up on him?

Leo's words about Timothy not really existing anymore definitely implies that Don could, but I don't know, it would seem a bit OOC of Don to give up without doing the best he can before realizing it can't be helped.

No way. Like Donnie said, Tim be the key to help him create a retro-mutagen. If anyone can figure out a cure, it's Donatello.

Being the key to a retro-mutagen doesn't necessarily mean Tim would be one of its beneficiaries. Guinea pigs often aren't.

No, even though the situation looks hopeless, chances are the real Timothy might still be in there somewhere.


Even if the chances are almost zero, Don would never give up on him. Timothy is his responsibility, and he now also sees him as a friend. If anything, the events in this episode made Donatello only more determined to find a cure.

I feel like Timothy/Mutagen Man is one of the most tragic characters in a cartoon I've ever seen, which I love. Personally I kind of hope that he never gets turned back, because I think that makes the story more interesting. But I don't think that Donatello will give up trying. :tgrin:

Yes.

I too don't want him to change back. He got what he wanted to be, an ugly mutant as ugly as his soul.

I'm sure Don thinks there's still hope of restoring him, and I would like for that to happen even though it was his fault for pouring the mutagen on himself. I would just like for it to happen for Don's sake so he can get over this guilt he harbors.

wow that's pretty dark of you :teek:

But he didn't have an ugly soul. How is wanting to be a hero and accepted ugly? Save that for Chris and Xever,

No, as stated in other posts, Donnie is responsible for him.

Plus if he believes Timothy is the key to finding a cure, he would eventually have to revive Timothy from his current frozen state. So I think it's safe to say this Donatello/Mutagen Man arc has just begun.

I think you summed up things very well.
They've created a dynamic now with Mutagen man and Donny and i think they'll keep it as you said. So I guess he is a lost cause, but as Splinter said 'There's always hope' and that will probably be what Donny carries forward with when dealing with what Timothy had become.

My theory is that he stabilizes in body but not in mind, becoming Titanus.

I think Donnie may end up eventually having to kill the Pulverizer. It's possible that creating the retromutagen mutagen may have the negative effect of killing the Pulverizer. Which will cause Donnie to doubt whether he can ethically create a cure to restore April's father if it will cost the life of another innocent person.

I'm afraid Don wouldn't have the heart to harm Tim... so most likely if it does goes to that path, one of his brothers would be the one to end him.

Is it reversible? Dunno.

But like you said, it's his fault he ended up the way he is, if he was cured, it would come off as a cop out and it would defeat the purpose of any drama estsblished. I'm sure Don will eventually learn to let it go and accept Tim's fate if there's no hope for him. Plus, I partially agree with Shark Blade. Teenager or not, he made several dumb decisions, and now, he's gonna have to live with the consequences.

I guess I feel sympathy more with Don's feelings and how he's beating himself up over all of this. I do want there to be a cure for April's dad's sake, but if he could cure Timothy, maybe it would help him to not beat himself up. If there's no cure, then I hate to think how Don would react to that failure.

It's not a matter of if it's his fault or not, the fact is Donnie was responsible for him. Donnie knew from the start what he was getting into with Pulverizer and chose to do so regardless, that thus makes Donnie as much if not more at fault than Timothy.

If you take your child someplace, and he walks off and disappears, is it the child's fault for walking off? Or is it your fault for not taking care of him and watching over him?

Isn't this exact conversation going on in the episode thread?

My thoughts exactly, JTH. Don feels responsible for him since he decided to take him on as his pupil, so if there's no cure, then he will feel that it's his fault since he wasn't able to succeed in his goal.