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CyberCubed 10-08-2015 05:37 PM

The only universe where Shredder succesfully kills Splinter
 
In 30 years of TMNT history, this is the only universe where Shredder actually successfully killed Splinter. The other closest would be IDW, where Shredder kills Hamato Yoshi in Feudal Japan before he's resurrected, but he never killed him again in his mutated Splinter form.

Mirage: Shredder kills Yoshi, but Splinter trains the Turtles to kill Shredder.

Original movies: Shredder kills Yoshi, but Splinter himself "kills" Shredder, or so we think until TMNT II. Super Shredder killed by his own hand.

Original cartoon: Obviously neither Shredder nor Splinter kill each other. Shredder is still stranded in Dimension X by the end of the show.

4kids: Shredder kills Yoshi, again Splinter and the Turtles defeat Ch'rell afterward many times and into Turtles Forever.

Archie: Shredder goes insane during, "Year of the Turtle."

IDW: Shredder kills Yoshi, he comes back as Splinter centuries later.

Nick: Shredder kills Splinter


Its 30 years in the making.

ssjup81 10-08-2015 05:45 PM

I find it ironic that this occurred with a Nick show. Mind blown. lol

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 10-08-2015 07:17 PM

Wow, that Nick would be the ones to make it happen... good observation, both of you guys!

Blackeyedsonic 10-09-2015 12:46 AM

Ill wait to see if it sticks before I get excited

Coola Yagami 10-09-2015 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackeyedsonic (Post 1508386)
Ill wait to see if it sticks before I get excited

It won't. Somehow they'll bring back the Earth and everyone on it. They'd have to come up with some whacked out reason of how they'd somehow revive Shredder, Karai, the Mutaminals and everyone else except Splinter.

Shark_Blade 10-09-2015 01:51 AM

Didn't splinter die in 2k3 "same as it never was"? By shredder right?

CyberCubed 10-09-2015 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade (Post 1508397)
Didn't splinter die in 2k3 "same as it never was"? By shredder right?

Well that's an alternate universe.

ssjup81 10-09-2015 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami (Post 1508388)
It won't. Somehow they'll bring back the Earth and everyone on it. They'd have to come up with some whacked out reason of how they'd somehow revive Shredder, Karai, the Mutaminals and everyone else except Splinter.

Kind of beside the point. Yeah, we know things will get "reset" in some way, but it still doesn't change the fact that Shredder did kill him.

Personally, I hope this does stick, and maybe have flashbacks for scenes with him. I could see them maybe going back in time and maybe stopping the device but being unable to prevent his death, that kind of thing.

neatoman 10-09-2015 04:52 AM

I don't really care wheter or not Shredder killed Splinter here. Earth was going to blow up anyway, so when you think about it it's unimportant if Shredder did it himself, the destruction of the planet would have done him in anyway.

Besides, IDW recently outdid this moment with a much more meaningful death scene, if you read issue 50 you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Shark_Blade 10-09-2015 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1508399)
Well that's an alternate universe.

But it's in 2k3 after all! :D It happened somewhere else, but when Donnie got back it's as if it never happened.

Same as 2k12, they'd turn back time as if it never happened.

Coola Yagami 10-09-2015 06:36 AM

Yeah.... whenever they do turn back time and reset this..... Shredder killing Splinter will be sort of an alternate reality. A reality where the Triceratons blew up planet Earth and end of story.

neatoman 10-09-2015 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami (Post 1508449)
Yeah.... whenever they do turn back time and reset this..... Shredder killing Splinter will be sort of an alternate reality. A reality where the Triceratons blew up planet Earth and end of story.

Well I mean obviously the whole "Shredder kills Splinter" moment only happened because it won't matter, that much is obvious as Splinter would have died anyway in this scenario. If the Turtles are successful in preventing the weapon from being assembled, then the whole scenario in which Shredder killed Splinter won't happen at all. If they fail, then tripping Shredder at the right moment will save both Splinter and the earth. It's not at all hard to figure out.

Something else I realised is how nonsensical it is for the Turtles to survive this while the Mutanimals and Foot Mutants don't. They were all in the same spot, so there's really no reason why they were able to get to Honeycutt's ship while everyone else was sucked into the black hole.

SKX31 10-09-2015 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1508468)
Something else I realised is how nonsensical it is for the Turtles to survive this while the Mutanimals and Foot Mutants don't. They were all in the same spot, so there's really no reason why they were able to get to Honeycutt's ship while everyone else was sucked into the black hole.

Ah, but you see: there's one reason for it. Only one thing allowed them to stay on the ground while heavier friends and foes got sucked in.

The Turtles + April / Casey have Plot Armor.

Speedy Cerviche 01-09-2016 06:07 PM

Maybe it should be more along the lines of the Nick show was the first to kill Splinter "onscreen".

Powder 01-09-2016 06:56 PM

A bump for semantics...

miru 01-11-2016 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1508423)
I don't really care wheter or not Shredder killed Splinter here. Earth was going to blow up anyway, so when you think about it it's unimportant if Shredder did it himself, the destruction of the planet would have done him in anyway.

Besides, IDW recently outdid this moment with a much more meaningful death scene, if you read issue 50 you know exactly what I'm talking about.

The undoing of the Black Hole Generator would only undo deaths caused by it. Master Splinter is not one of them. He's dead.

ssjup81 01-11-2016 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by miru (Post 1537088)
The undoing of the Black Hole Generator would only undo deaths caused by it. Master Splinter is not one of them. He's dead.

Very true, but if the Turtles can prevent the gathering of all the parts, then Splinter wouldn't have teamed up with Shredder at all, hence no perm death.

shredder orokusaki 01-12-2016 07:43 AM

I killled Splinter! They can not save him! MUAHHAHAHH

victory_angel 01-12-2016 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjup81 (Post 1537095)
Very true, but if the Turtles can prevent the gathering of all the parts, then Splinter wouldn't have teamed up with Shredder at all, hence no perm death.

But this is still the best case scenario. As the Triceraton's are bigger, stronger, and more numerous then the Turtles and company. The task to get the parts of the heart of darkness would be extremely, extremely difficult.

ABrown 01-12-2016 12:42 PM

Yeah, I agree with those who've stated that it's basically the same thing that happened in the SAINW episode of the 4Kids series. Whether it be an alternate timeline or an alternate universe. In both cases, our Splinter lives.


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