Ot/ modern toon crossover
 

So, it's confirmed that it is happening. What do you think? Is it a cheap idea? Is it kind of cliche after turtles forever? Post what you think about the crossover, what you hope for it, and what cannot happen in it. Should we include the 2003 turtles? Just, talk it out here I guess. I'm curious to see other peoples thoughts on this.

Probably better to just use the season 4 discussion thread...but I'm stoked for it.

Link to source then please.

It was confirmed during the NY Comic Con that there would be an episode where the Nick TMNT meet their 1987 counterparts complete with original cast.

They also had an animatic of part of that episode.

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Like the majority of this thread?

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I hope they don't make the turtles like 5 year olds in this. The were not like that in the ot. Turtles forever screwed it up.

Yeah, they were like 8 year olds in the show, they really messed that one up.

FW portrayed the FW Turtles relatively accurate, albeit slightly exaggerated to make contrast with the 2k3 Turtles and a limited run time with a movie that have 8 main characters and at the end 12 Turtles + all off the supporting characters.

The only thing pissing me off is that they're giving the 2003 show the cold shoulder. I NEED to see 2003 Chr'ell fight 2012 Shredder.

Who knows, maybe Ch'rell is the true mastermind behind this whole plot? I doubt it, but Splinter did say that he didn't think Ch'rell was gone for good at the end of Turtles Forever.

Makes me wonder though, the Fred Wolf Turtles have contrast with the Nick Turtles as well. If they don't, the crossover is just going to feel weird.

That'd make sense. Or if Krang created the Kraang from Ch'rell's and his own DNA.

Optimally, the crossovers should be FW / Nick and 4Kids / Nick. Gives 60 minutes to FW, and 60 minutes to 4Kids.

That's a big reason why I'm also angered by the cold shoulder. So at this point, I'd be happy with any kind of appearances from the 4Kids verse.

If a 4Kids / Nick crossover happens (huge if, but I'm going with the scenario), it could be about the older / younger dynamic. Nick Leo and Mikey look up to their 4Kids counterparts as soon as they learn about the 4Kids exploits ("Whoa, you won a huge tournament? And the rematch?"). But the 4Kids Turtles ain't perfect either, so it becomes a bit of a character journey to respect each other.

In the end, for example: 4Kids Leo learns to be a bit more open about himself and his hobbies from Nick Leo, while Nick Leo learns a little more about recovering from traumas from 4Kids Leo.

And in the end, they resolve to kick some Foot and Purple Dragon butt.

Back to the FW crossover - they need a new contrast though. Maybe contrast between the Turtles themselves? Clarke's straightforward Leonardo vs. Green's fanboy Leo? Paulsen's 4th-wally / sarcastic Raphael vs. Astin's violent Raph? Coleman's laidback Michaelangelo vs. Cipes' hyper Mike? And... okay, Forever already did a Don contrast. Got anything else on Gordon vs. Paulsen?

I hope the OT animation is better than in Wormquake. That one looks like it's made by cheap Flash software.... :tconfuse:

Oh wait. Their style for 2D animations are like that, judging from the tv shows the turtles watched (Space Heroes, Super Mecha Force Five (?) and Crognard the Barbarian).

Oh well. I hope the script is good. :D

From the look of the animatic, the OT turtles will be competent and sane this time, thankfully. Unlike turtles forever. :tgrumble:

Hey, I know! For this special, let's portray the 2k3 turtles and all dark and super-duper serious and gritty edgy ninjas who can't even laugh at a joke, and make mirage TMNT so dark and grim, that anytime there's laughter or fun or color or light, they curl up into little balls groaning and screaming in pain like fun is their kryptonite, and they start to go crazy if they have to go five minutes without killing something! That's why they live in a black and white world, and narrate and monologue to themselves like crazy people! :lol:

Don't call them Prime Turtles crazy. They're high functioning sociopath who practices ninjitsu. >.>

I CAN SEE THE FUTURE!

*The 4th TMNT cartoon is produced non union. When it crosses over with 4Kids, the Nick turtles are portrayed as bipolars. One moment serious, the next goofy. With sound-alike VA's.*

It's the circle of (TMNT) life!

I'm going to talk completely out of my rear and say that there's probably a lot of legal/executive reasons for 2k3 not being in here. Does 4kids still get money from sales of 2k3 tv shows?

That said, you do run the risk of overrunning the episode with characters. You already have 8 turtles, we've already hit the Rule of 7 and risk losing the audience by adding more. Perhaps we'll get a shout out, like the multiverse of turtles scene in Turtles Forever.

Link doesn't work and I meant to an official source.

I don't believe they receive royalties, if I remember correctly they were a complication with the license's sale. They had to be bought out for 10 million dollars & I think that left Viacom with a sour taste in their mouth about the 4kids series.

They also had the voice actors that weren't that familiar with who those characters actually were or how they acted. And the same goes with the production crew. They were familiar enough to know the 87 turtles were a bunch of goofballs and and such. But with the 4kids group, the 2k3 version of the Turtles were their babies and of course got the better treatment.

I mean originally the OT Turtles weren't really related. They saw each other as friends more then brothers. And they also habitually called themselves by their full names then shortenings I.E. Raph, Leo or affectionations of their names like Mikey instead of Mike, or how Don is sometimes called Donny or Raph is on rare occasions called Raphie.


So in Turtles Forever when one of the Turtles warns Raphael of danger coming his way you see both versions of Raph say "Thanks bro..." in response. And of course the OT Turtles affectionizing their names.



As far as this newer cross over, the OT Turtles could be a vehicle that can make it possible for the Turtles to encounter other versions of themselves. All it would take was for the OT Turtles to mention that they have encountered other versions of themselves before. The first time we saw the OT Turtles in this show it was only a small cameo in Manhattan project, this not only suggested that there were other dimensions where they existed. But it was testing the waters for the possibility of there being a cross over between the two worlds. So the next world the Turtles need to encounter is the Original Mirage, and possibly the 2k3 version.

For the record, I have challenged people who claim Turtles Forever was accurate to a scavenger hunt multiple times, asking them to point to examples of the Fred Wolf turtles in their actual series doing such things as breaking down and crying, obsessing with pizza as a whole, or Donatello saying science isn't all about facts, and the most any of them has been able to do in response is dodge the challenge by moving the goalpost to shaky claims like "they deserved it for how they bastardized Mirage" or "Their point was a meta condensation of all the 1987 show's comedic stupidity onto the Turtles themselves."

The first defense would be more compelling if it had been the Mirage Turtles playing the sane men and mocking the 1987 series, but they were barely there and if anything they were more misinterpreted than the Fred Wolf turtles during the brief moment that they were; instead, the show held up its own take on the series as the standard, when in fact, it had itself abandoned any loyalty it once had to the Mirage series for several years. Also, as Cheshire Cat Studios put well in their review, constantly saying "What the Shell" is arguably just as embarrassing as constantly referencing pizza, yet the movie never mocks that.

The second defense, that TF was a meta condensation of all the Wolfverse's silliness onto the Turtles themselves, does less to close the case and more to open the writers to scrutiny as to why they chose that approach, and furthermore, so far as I can recall it has never been sourced to the film's writers actually saying that was their goal. Absent any other evidence, I think what Occam's Razor suggests as the real reason they were so bad at adapting the 1987 series is because 4Kids was flat-out terrible at adapting things in general. If Peter Laird's leaked diaries are anything to go by, they'd have screwed up Mirage too and much earlier if not for him constantly supervising, and tellingly, when he left to work on the movie, they went right ahead and abandoned their source to throw random trendy crap at the wall in hopes it would stick. Adding credence to this is that TF's writing was just bad and senseless on many other levels, as well.

Of course, this show's writing isn't any glowing standard either, and it could be just as lame at adaptations. Right off the bat in the animatic, they have an arguable problem TF didn't have; its supposed Fred Wolf Turtles act more like the jackasses in the live-action movies, but it got right the ridiculous slapstick excuses for fighting they did for much of the series. Here, they fight no differently than the 2012 turtles, although for viewers who really, really hate slapstick fighting, that might be a forgivable inaccuracy.