Does Shredder have too many lieutenants
 

I just realized something(well actually not really I was thinking about this for a long time) Shredder has too many lieutenants what I mean by it is that it feels like the writers gives Shredder too many henchmen that even they don't know what to do with and their skills are sometimes redundant.

Ex
Xever was a caporia fighter who is not only a skilled thief but also has ties with New York's underworld and tends to keep the Purple Dragons in line but a few seasons later we have Zeck who is also master thief and a season later we have Hun the guy who keeps the purple dragons in line. It feels as if the writers are too focused on making toys and figures instead of wanting a good show and to add salt to the wound Zeck and Hun aren't anything like their counterparts. Now don't get me wrong writers are free to have different interpretations with their respected incarnation but with the amount of characterzation the Nick versions Hun and Zeck have its the equivalent of making Mikey a punisher like vigilante

To me, it feels like Bebop, Rocksteady, Razhar, Fishface and Stockman are more like Shredder's slaves/an extension of his foot clan army. The only ones who feels like a true liuetenant is Tiger Claw.

The Lieutenant is the second in command. So the question should be Does Shredder have too many Hench Mutants? Only Karai and Tiger Claw had been the Lieutenants. Karai lost her position to Tiger Claw to punish her for acting out against the Shredder's orders.

Fish Face, Rahazar, Bebop, and Rocksteady are purely there to be the grunts of the Foot Clan while the Foot Bots are the cannon fodder.


Rahzar and Fish face are bound to the Shredder by loyalty.

Rahzar formerly Dogpound, formerly Chris Bradford is a martial arts superstar. It's unknown what connection he holds to the Shredder, but it's implied that he may have been a student of the Shredder.

Fishface is connected to Shredder by because he owes him for bailing him out of jail.


Bebop and Rocksteady are more or less thralls of the Shredder.

Rocksteady is formerly an ally and weapons supplier of the Shredder.

Bebop is a thief who is given the task of stealing the Shredder's helmet.

Both of them were mutated as punishment both for the theft of the Kuro Kabuto, and also for using Karai to use her as a bargaining chip to them out of the Kraang infested city. Before given the choice of serving the Shredder or facing their deaths.

Well they are more on the top of the Foot hierarchy ordering the foot bots

Well you can have more than one Lieutenant

Well the Foot has Rahzar, Fishface, Bebop, Rocksteady and Stockman with Tiger Claw as Shredder's sidekick. I don't think Shredder has enough. Plus, those six are a needed for Shredder. Shredder obviously need Tiger Claw and needs Stockman to create mutants and other experiments for him. He needs Rahzar for some muscle and as a bodyguard for some mission and Bebop and Rocksteady are used for collecting goods for Stockman and are told to do several commands for Shredder. The only mutant that has no real work to do is Fishface ever since Dogpound became Rahzar and Stockman, Tiger Claw, Bebop and Rocksteady joined the Foot. Not to say he is useless, but there is not many jobs he has done.

Shredder always has a bunch of goons, all crime lords do.

Soooo par the course then?

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& just because Hun is a Bruce Lee clone now doesn't mean he's not fundamentally the same; a martial arts expert who dabbles in organized crime.

Found that for dirt at an old comic shop in my hometown.

Lieutenants have various places the hierarchy depending on what kind of (usually military) group it is.

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I would say too many henchmen. Tiger Claw is the only one fully expressed as being a "second in command", and does his share in enforcing the others while Shredder is not present.

It's more than implied. Shredder flat out calls him his student.

I don't think there are too many. Now, Fishface and Dogpound/Rahzar have been given less of a spotlight in recent seasons, but some episodes have used all them working together in some capacity.

I like the variety, personally.

I like shredder having several henchmen and not just 1 or 2. It also makes sense to have more than 2 when you're taking on 4 mutant turtles.

When you can already take said turtles have an army of ninjas then having 6 officers are kinda overkill

Isn't Tigerclaw like the only one that is a threat?

True.... but clever villains go all out overkill. Bowser doesn't send a Goomba after Mario, he sends an all out army of Koopas and Goombas and who knows what else.

I'm mostly talking about it as a writing standpoint, in universe it makes since but as a writing standpoint it feels like the writers are just giving Shredder mutants without thinking what the hell they are actually going to do with them

They're there to give the turtles an enemy, & to sell toys. They don't have to be anything more than that.

I am so glad most cartoonist don't have your attitude when it comes to writing characters

Not exactly, apart from Bradford in some cases, I would say Stockman is a big threat as well. His new abilities as a mutant are pretty powerful and he could create a lot of different things for the Shredder in the future.

On this part you're right. It started out good with Bradford and Xever as we got into their history at the beginning and their motivations for following Shredder. Bradford has always been one of Shredder's most loyal students and Xever (as shown in "Baxter's Gambit") was a street thief who got busted, was given another chance by Shredder, and feels he owes him his loyalty.
Tiger Claw, with what little we know about his vague backstory, seems more like someone looking for a purpose. And the Shredder has given it to him in perhaps his biggest contract ever. Who knows, serving Shredder outside his contract regarding the turtles & Splinter, may be a purpose in of itself as it gives TC someone and something to fight for/believe in...even despite their rocky moments such as Karai had while in his service too.
Stockman, Bebop, and Rocksteady; despite the latter's former association with Shredder, basically serve this guy out of fear. And given the fact that these characters have been used in other media, they might also be being used for nostalgia's sake.
After all of that is established however, the series going forward just doesn't seem to know what to do with them.

That part you're wrong! It really is all about toys and the money acquired from them. It's the reason shows like Spectacular Spider-Man and Young Justice got the axe just to name a couple. Oh sure, you'll occasionally get some who go for quality rather than the toy money like "Batman" or "Gargoyles" but surely, that thought is never too far away.

Well, Stockman invents stuff (he's figured out how to create mutagen and controlled mutations). Bebop and Rocksteady are additional muscle.



I thought the Spider-Man cartoon was canceled because the TV rights reverted to Disney/Marvel.